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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:43:48 PM   
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If Crawford is gone, its a huge positive on the court.

Although it also is going to look like another player that wants nothing to do with Thibs, as I doubt Jamal is going to get as much money on the open market - or more than 20 MPG.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:45:20 PM   
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Maybe Jimmy is trying to get him a raise...

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League sources tell @TheAthleticMIN that Jamal Crawford is declining his player option for next season with Wolves. (@ChrisBHaynes first)

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Jimmy Butler has stressed to management that he wants Crawford to remain in Minnesota, sources say.



Butler needs to stick with what he does best...play basketball.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:46:05 PM   
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If Crawford is gone, its a huge positive on the court.

Although it also is going to look like another player that wants nothing to do with Thibs, as I doubt Jamal is going to get as much money on the open market - or more than 20 MPG.



No way he gets 20 MPG on a good team.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:46:47 PM   
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Big surprise that Crawford is opting out...sure helps our cap situation.


It likely means we can use the full MLE (8.4M) instead of just the taxpayer one (5.4M) without risking "hardcapping" ourselves for a full year.

Now we hold our breath and hope Rose doesn't take too much of it.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:52:59 PM   
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Big surprise that Crawford is opting out...sure helps our cap situation.


It likely means we can use the full MLE (8.4M) instead of just the taxpayer one (5.4M) without risking "hardcapping" ourselves for a full year.

Now we hold our breath and hope Rose doesn't take too much of it.



What's your guess on how much he'll get?
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:56:33 PM   
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Big surprise that Crawford is opting out...sure helps our cap situation.


It likely means we can use the full MLE (8.4M) instead of just the taxpayer one (5.4M) without risking "hardcapping" ourselves for a full year.

Now we hold our breath and hope Rose doesn't take too much of it.



What's your guess on how much he'll get?


I'll be surprised if he gets less than 5.

I won't be surprised if he gets it all.

Thibs LOVES him, and really seems to think he's working his way back to the player he once was...
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 6:58:40 PM   
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If Crawford is gone, its a huge positive on the court.

Although it also is going to look like another player that wants nothing to do with Thibs, as I doubt Jamal is going to get as much money on the open market - or more than 20 MPG.



No way he gets 20 MPG on a good team.


He played 21 MPG this year. After bitching about his role, he played 25.4 post ASB.

He’s been around 26 each of the past 3 years.

Does he think someone is going to play him 30+ MPG at age 39?
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 7:01:53 PM   
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Big surprise that Crawford is opting out...sure helps our cap situation.


It likely means we can use the full MLE (8.4M) instead of just the taxpayer one (5.4M) without risking "hardcapping" ourselves for a full year.

Now we hold our breath and hope Rose doesn't take too much of it.



What's your guess on how much he'll get?


I'll be surprised if he gets less than 5.

I won't be surprised if he gets it all.

Thibs LOVES him, and really seems to think he's working his way back to the player he once was...



That one personnel move will set us back beyond quick repair.

Thibodeau is going to spend the offseason watching Derrick Rose highlights from 9 years ago.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 7:16:05 PM   
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Bobby Marks:

Jamal Crawford opting out of his $4.5M contract for 2018-19 now has Minnesota with $117M in salary (including the OKC 1st), $6M below the luxury tax. The Timberwolves can create $4.9M in additional flexibility if they waive Cole Aldrich by June 30. The center has $2.05M in salary protection. Crawford has non-bird rights and Minnesota is restricted to $5.19M in the first year they can offer the guard. Minnesota does have the $8.6M midlevel and $3.4M biannual exception available but using more than $5.29M of the midlevel would hard cap the team.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 10:31:25 PM   
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Jamal Crawford is a non-bird free agent. This means the Wolves can still sign him for up to 120% of what he made last year. Crawford could leverage the Wolves into another 1+1 deal.

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Other people are getting this wrong. They can offer him up to $5.19 M without using the mid-level exception.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 11:33:19 PM   
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Jamal Crawford is a non-bird free agent. This means the Wolves can still sign him for up to 120% of what he made last year. Crawford could leverage the Wolves into another 1+1 deal.

Suspicious Sal@Suspicious_Sal
Other people are getting this wrong. They can offer him up to $5.19 M without using the mid-level exception.



I guess I just don't understand why we would want him, at any price.

I'd rather have McConnell. Or ten other guys.
Of course it doesn't really matter who we acquire if Thibodeau doesn't play them.

Thibodeau probably thinks we were so close this year. Just need some guys to play harder. And Rose will put us over the top. Draft picks are gravy. We're set.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/2/2018 11:46:19 PM   
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I don't know what kind of money it takes to get Mike Scott, but he would be a great bench guy for this team.

Again, Thibodeau might not play him, so I guess it doesn't matter.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/3/2018 12:17:37 AM   
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Jamal Crawford is a non-bird free agent. This means the Wolves can still sign him for up to 120% of what he made last year. Crawford could leverage the Wolves into another 1+1 deal.

Suspicious Sal@Suspicious_Sal
Other people are getting this wrong. They can offer him up to $5.19 M without using the mid-level exception.



I guess I just don't understand why we would want him, at any price.

I'd rather have McConnell. Or ten other guys.
Of course it doesn't really matter who we acquire if Thibodeau doesn't play them.

Thibodeau probably thinks we were so close this year. Just need some guys to play harder. And Rose will put us over the top. Draft picks are gravy. We're set.


I doubt he's back.

My guess is he doesn't want to play for Thibs anymore - and he knows that Rose is going to eat up a bunch of his minutes next year.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/3/2018 7:42:50 AM   
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Yahoo's Shams Charania reported on Monday that the Knicks are looking to part ways with Noah after he had a "heated verbal exchange" with head coach Jeff Hornacek and was sent home for two games. It's unclear if he will re-join the team this week.


Thib's will probably trade Dieng for Noah

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/3/2018 8:25:11 AM   
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Crawford is gone. Yay, more money we can hand to Rose.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/3/2018 9:49:53 PM   
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Jamal Crawford is a non-bird free agent. This means the Wolves can still sign him for up to 120% of what he made last year. Crawford could leverage the Wolves into another 1+1 deal.

Suspicious Sal@Suspicious_Sal
Other people are getting this wrong. They can offer him up to $5.19 M without using the mid-level exception.



I guess I just don't understand why we would want him, at any price.

I'd rather have McConnell. Or ten other guys.
Of course it doesn't really matter who we acquire if Thibodeau doesn't play them.

Thibodeau probably thinks we were so close this year. Just need some guys to play harder. And Rose will put us over the top. Draft picks are gravy. We're set.


I doubt he's back.

My guess is he doesn't want to play for Thibs anymore - and he knows that Rose is going to eat up a bunch of his minutes next year.

We have more #1 overall picks on our roster than any team in the NBA.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/3/2018 10:11:11 PM   
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Suspicious Sal@Suspicious_Sal
Jamal Crawford is a non-bird free agent. This means the Wolves can still sign him for up to 120% of what he made last year. Crawford could leverage the Wolves into another 1+1 deal.

Suspicious Sal@Suspicious_Sal
Other people are getting this wrong. They can offer him up to $5.19 M without using the mid-level exception.



I guess I just don't understand why we would want him, at any price.

I'd rather have McConnell. Or ten other guys.
Of course it doesn't really matter who we acquire if Thibodeau doesn't play them.

Thibodeau probably thinks we were so close this year. Just need some guys to play harder. And Rose will put us over the top. Draft picks are gravy. We're set.


I doubt he's back.

My guess is he doesn't want to play for Thibs anymore - and he knows that Rose is going to eat up a bunch of his minutes next year.

We have more #1 overall picks on our roster than any team in the NBA.


Think how much better we'd be if we would've kept Anthony Bennett.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/4/2018 10:02:45 AM   
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Can't remember if I posted this here or not, but at some point this season Taylor tried to set up a meeting with Thibs, but Thibs said he couldn't fit him in....while offering no alternative time. Sorry, just too busy, boss......


Where did you hear this? If true, it doesn't bode well. It will be like the olden days of Flip letting the inmates run the asylum.

Heard from a friend who heard it from someone inside the organization. Pretty solid.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/4/2018 10:10:25 AM   
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Canis has a solid piece on Wiggins today:

https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/5/4/17292066/where-are-we-with-andrew-wiggins-timberwolves
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/5/2018 1:53:15 AM   
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Obviously Towns has room for improvement defensively, but he's the best offensive player on our team, and quite possibly, the best offensive C in the league. I love his versatility, stepping out, using either hand in the paint, he has a full arsenal of offensive weapons.
However, I would love to see him better conditioned and focused on running the floor.

One of Capela's best assets is his ability and willingness to run. I can't remember the last time I saw him stand still to talk to an official after a no call/bad call. He runs. Man, that taxes a defense when your C gets down the floor as quickly as your wings. In Towns defense, he plays too many minutes. Aside from Capela being a gazelle, he plays about 9 minutes less per game than Towns. That matters.

Unfortunately, I can't imagine Thibodeau embracing the idea that less is more with Towns.

Keep him fresh, and feed him.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/5/2018 9:27:55 AM   
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Jamal Crawford is a non-bird free agent. This means the Wolves can still sign him for up to 120% of what he made last year. Crawford could leverage the Wolves into another 1+1 deal.

Suspicious Sal@Suspicious_Sal
Other people are getting this wrong. They can offer him up to $5.19 M without using the mid-level exception.



I guess I just don't understand why we would want him, at any price.

I'd rather have McConnell. Or ten other guys.
Of course it doesn't really matter who we acquire if Thibodeau doesn't play them.

Thibodeau probably thinks we were so close this year. Just need some guys to play harder. And Rose will put us over the top. Draft picks are gravy. We're set.


I doubt he's back.

My guess is he doesn't want to play for Thibs anymore - and he knows that Rose is going to eat up a bunch of his minutes next year.

We have more #1 overall picks on our roster than any team in the NBA.


Think how much better we'd be if we would've kept Anthony Bennett.

I was stating a fact. Nothing more.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/5/2018 10:10:03 AM   
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Obviously Towns has room for improvement defensively, but he's the best offensive player on our team, and quite possibly, the best offensive C in the league. I love his versatility, stepping out, using either hand in the paint, he has a full arsenal of offensive weapons.
However, I would love to see him better conditioned and focused on running the floor.

One of Capela's best assets is his ability and willingness to run. I can't remember the last time I saw him stand still to talk to an official after a no call/bad call. He runs. Man, that taxes a defense when your C gets down the floor as quickly as your wings. In Towns defense, he plays too many minutes. Aside from Capela being a gazelle, he plays about 9 minutes less per game than Towns. That matters.

Unfortunately, I can't imagine Thibodeau embracing the idea that less is more with Towns.

Keep him fresh, and feed him.


Logic and reason are not exactly Thibs' strong suits. Towns has some serious work to do. Capela made him his bitch for 5 games and that just shouldn't happen.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/11/2018 8:11:18 AM   
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Michael Rand does a series of potential trade scenarios for Wiggins for what they are worth. He does not seem as willing as most of us to give up on Wiggins because he is 23, 1st overall pick, talented, yada yada yada. I think the longer we hang onto him, the more obvious it is that he has pretty much become the player he is going to be. I also think he focuses too much on one for one. Getting equal value back or just dumping his salary. He doesn't really seem to approach from a real understanding of roster construction.

If Wolves explore trading Andrew Wiggins, here are some possible deals

For the Wolves to continue improving, it may take another shake-up to their roster. If the Wolves decide to make Andrew Wiggins a candidate to go elsewhere, he are some trade ideas that could make sense.
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Let’s start here: I think there’s a better chance than not that Andrew Wiggins is on the Timberwolves’ roster next season. He’s a talented 23-year-old former No. 1 overall pick and Rookie of the Year about to enter into five very highly paid years. The former makes it hard for the Wolves to give him up, and the latter makes it hard for them to find a willing taker.

I’m also not convinced trading Wiggins would be a good idea. I’m over 50 percent on the “yes” side, but not by much. There’s a lot to consider, even after his disappointing fourth NBA season and imperfect fit on a roster with Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns.

But Wiggins is the Wolves’ most enticing asset. And particularly if the Wolves are able to retain Butler and Towns this offseason with expensive extensions, the possibility of a Wiggins trade after the new league year begins in July is at least worth considering. Even after the Wolves improved by 16 victories and reached the postseason for the first time in 14 seasons, there wasn’t the sense that they could just run it back with the same roster next year and improve. Advancing into the next tier might necessitate more shaking things up, and Wiggins is a candidate.

So consider this an exercise in assessing Wiggins’ potential value and what he might fetch in return if — a big if — the Wolves decided to go that route. As I see it, there are four realistic types of deals given where the Wolves are in their development:

1) Go big or go home: I think the single biggest thing missing on the Wolves’ roster right now is a shot-blocking, defensive-minded big man. If you want an eraser that fixes a lot of defensive deficiencies, go get yourself one of those. Tom Thibodeau had one in Chicago with Joakim Noah when he had all those highly ranked defenses. He lacks a player like that in Minnesota, and the defense has suffered accordingly.

Names to consider: Two guys come to mind. One is the Heat’s Hassan Whiteside and the other is Detroit’s Andre Drummond. Both are defensive beasts who can also score. Both have big salaries that would match up with Wiggins’ max deal. Whiteside is being mentioned in rumors as a trade bait because of a lackluster performance in this year’s playoffs. Drummond has been mentioned in trade rumors in the past, too — most prominently to Boston.

So what’s the problem: Whiteside is under contract for just two more seasons, and one of those is a player option. The Wolves would be trading their relative problem for the Heat’s relative problem, and if you deal for him and it doesn’t work out, you could be left with nothing. And in both cases, the Wolves would also probably need to move Gorgui Dieng — lest they have a TON of salary tied up in big men, along with Towns and Taj Gibson.

2) Cut and run: The Wolves could flat-out decide the Wiggins extension was a mistake and take on useful players on shorter-term contracts to get out from the deal while still charting a course for a repeat trip to the playoffs.

Names to consider: A team like Brooklyn — bereft of elite young talent because of damaging deals involving draft picks — could view Wiggins as a key piece around which to build. The Nets could send back DeMarre Carroll or Allen Crabbe (shooters who would help next year) and enough spare parts to make the money work.

So what’s the problem: Brooklyn would be getting the best player in the deal, and the Wolves would be giving up on Wiggins at a relatively young age — with the potential to look foolish down the road.

3) The unlikely home run: Tom Thibodeau swung a franchise-changing deal for Jimmy Butler last offseason. Could he do it again this offseason?

Name to consider: Kawhi Leonard. He’s one of the best players in the NBA, and his situation in San Antonio is strained to say the least. He would give the Wolves a devastating Big Three along with Butler and Towns, and mayyyybe Spurs coach Gregg Popovich would look at Wiggins and think he can maximize his potential.

So what’s the problem: Leonard is due for a massive contract, and his health is in question. Also, if the Spurs trade Leonard, can’t they do better than this? (Yes).

4) Opportunity knocks: Sometimes a playoff flameout creates momentum for change via a trade. I could see two potential teams in this sphere: The Raptors and the Blazers.

Names to consider: Toronto has some intriguing matches. DeMar DeRozan had a rough postseason and is neither a great three-point shooter nor lockdown defender, but he’s become a very good scorer and all-around offensive threat. He’s basically an older (almost 29) version of Wiggins and is essentially the kind of player Wolves fans now hope Wiggins will become. The Raptors were the East’s No. 1 seed but were swept by the Cavs, with DeRozan shrinking along the way. Wiggins is a Canada native who could be a megastar in Toronto. Point guard Kyle Lowry is another name to consider in a deal (along with other parts) that would presumably include both Wiggins and Jeff Teague in return.

Portland, meanwhile, was swept by New Orleans in the first round — leading to some thoughts that the Blazers might need to deal either C.J. McCollum or Damian Lillard in order to try something new. McCollum is a great shooter who would change the Wolves’ offense, while Lillard is a fearless point guard. Both names are intriguing.

So what’s the problem: Wiggins for DeRozan seems to make the most sense on multiple levels of any deal mentioned here, but is that really a game-changer for the Wolves? It might make them a couple wins better, but you don’t look at it and think they could suddenly compete against Golden State or Houston. The other deals make you think, “Would the other team really do that?”

Indeed, the best trade the Wolves could probably make would be dealing 2017-18 Wiggins for a consistent, truly dynamic version of Wiggins in 2018-19. I’m just not sure that trade is any more likely than the ones mentioned above.


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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/11/2018 10:16:30 AM   
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Rand isn't very basketball smart, is he?

He couldn't be more wrong about #1.

The reason Noah was so great wasn't because he blocked just over 1 shot/game. It was because he was devastating guarding the pick and roll and because he could switch out to the perimeter better than any big not named Garnett.

Bringing in a Whiteside or a Drummond is just going to make our perimeter defense worse, while doing even more to kill spacing and doing nothing to address our extreme lack of shooting.

#3 is not happening. #4 is rearranging the deck chairs...

#2...

I would absolutely do a trade centered around Carroll. Hell, I'd take Carroll and Crabbe. Butler and Carroll starting with Crabbe as 6th man is a really good wing rotation. Get them to throw in Dinwiddie and its a huge win for us.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 5/11/2018 10:43:26 AM   
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A lot of really good stuff in here. Especially in the comments:

https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/5/11/17343698/timberwolves-pending-free-agents-jamal-crawford-nemanja-bjelica-derrick-rose#comments
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