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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:35:17 PM   
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Only thing comparable is the Oakland A's of the early 70's. I think they hated each others guts, but kept winning.

This is just like that, except for the winning part.

They hate each other and just keep on losing. Is Thibs the cancer which causing this team to fall apart. Maybe the agents for Buttler and KAT need to sit down with Glen and iron this out. I don' Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:39:57 PM   
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Could it be that Butler stays and leads a rebellion against Thibs? Then I might be all for it.


Butler still loves Thibs.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:40:36 PM   
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Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.


Why?
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:41:03 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:48:12 PM   
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Taylor needs to fire Thibs.

I would then sit down with Kat and Butler separately and see if there is anything that can be done including a mutually agreed upon coach that would allow them to co-exist.

A long shot but you have nothing to lose. You then trade Butler.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:51:26 PM   
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This is getting more and more bizarre...Maybe only Jimmy showed up for the meeting?

NBA on ESPN✔@ESPNNBA
Jimmy Butler confirmed to @Rachel__Nichols that he held a players-only meeting with Timberwolves players on Thursday, a day after he reported to the team for his first practice.

Jeff Teague✔@Teague0
@ShamsCharania it wasn’t no players meeting you just made that up bro y’all gotta relax with this fake news

John Lucas III✔@Luke1luk
@ShamsCharania what meeting did you hear about
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:53:37 PM   
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Chris Hine@ChristopherHine
Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor (who also owns the Star Tribune) declined comment when reached by the Star Tribune.

12:51 PM - Oct 11, 2018
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 3:04:26 PM   
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Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.


Why?

McHale has the ability to coach the big men. If Thibs goes, KAT needs a coach to teach him the fine points of the big mans game.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 3:06:49 PM   
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Chris Hine@ChristopherHine
Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor (who also owns the Star Tribune) declined comment when reached by the Star Tribune.

12:51 PM - Oct 11, 2018

If Taylor was going to do something, he would just do it and not tell reporters before hand. Never been his style.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 3:17:10 PM   
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This whole thing has gotten so bizarre. I guess if you can’t be good then at least be “interesting”?
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 3:31:51 PM   
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It's Thib's job to run an orderly practice not let an inmate run the asylum

Meanwhile Glen buries his head in the sand

Never seen nor heard of anything of this magnitude in professional sports

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 3:42:16 PM   
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Jimmy Butler yelled to the VP of Marketing "get me a salad for lunch. Balsamic vinaigrette!" and then dropped a 3 over Wiggins. This guy is incredible. #wolves

— Pat Gallen (@PatGallenCBS3) October 10, 2018


https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/10/11/17963746/jimmy-butler-interview-espn-rachel-nichols-timberwolves
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 3:48:05 PM   
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It's Thib's job to run an orderly practice not let an inmate run the asylum

Meanwhile Glen buries his head in the sand

Never seen nor heard of anything of this magnitude in professional sports

Thibs will spin the Butler problem to his best and has no problem with this one inmate run the asylum. Do the Wolves have other minority owners or has Taylor bought them out. The minority owners may pressure Taylor into a solution.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 4:15:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.


Why?

McHale has the ability to coach the big men. If Thibs goes, KAT needs a coach to teach him the fine points of the big mans game.


That's the problem when things get repeated over and over again, people start believing them.

McHale was as good of a post player as we've seen, but its never been shown to translate to coaching/teaching. Kevin Garnett still doesn't have ANY post moves.

And KAT is a freaking wizard in the post when the team gives him the ball. He just needs to be in a better defensive system.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 4:29:21 PM   
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The big problem is Glen LOVES being an NBA owner. Hell, he's been Chairman of the NBA Board of Governors like 8 of the past 10 years.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 6:51:08 PM   
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More Nate:

Here’s what I’m reasonably sure of: Butler and Thibs are gone. Unless KAT and Leon Rose do a 180 within the next 24 hours it’s only a question of when and how. That being said, this is still the Timberwolves and Glen could try rolling with the status quo because he doesn’t have access to the type of personnel that would make a change worthwhile. Also, they have a game tomorrow night and the 2 of 3 main assistants are Thibs guys who either may not want to stick around. All 4 main assistants (those two plus Ryan and John Lucas III) aren’t going to be considered for any long term head coaching position so they may not want to take a very short interim job. I know they’ve been making a shit ton of calls and the speculation as to why there isn’t a public response is because logistically they have zero time to make a change and holy crap they have a game tomorrow night.

Now, all of this is being presented by people who aren’t in the main room. From what I’ve been told that room containsTaylor, Thibs, Layden, Croom, and the CEO Casson making the main decisions. My guess is based on what I’ve been told about what office personnel are able to see in terms of who is asked to be, say, reassuring Lizhang Jiang and Terri Popp that things are going to be ok or to find the contact information for this, that, or the other organization.

Also, this is going to cost a shit ton to buy out and replace.

That’s all I got. I think you’d be surprised at how many people over there are watching the twitter machine just like we are. Also, everybody is a secret spy for someone (local bloggers, family friends, reporters, you name it) and none of them let anybody else know who is talking to who about what. Most of the ones I know are asking me what I know so the decision making circle must be very small.

Everybody is waiting around to find out what comes next and they’re feeding the RUMINT mill and mostly it’s just a lot of downtime until the (whatever) happens.

Finally, if Jeff Munneke doesn’t write a book about the history of the team when he retires he’s doing the world a great disservice.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 7:08:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.


Why?

McHale has the ability to coach the big men. If Thibs goes, KAT needs a coach to teach him the fine points of the big mans game.


That's the problem when things get repeated over and over again, people start believing them.

McHale was as good of a post player as we've seen, but its never been shown to translate to coaching/teaching. Kevin Garnett still doesn't have ANY post moves.

And KAT is a freaking wizard in the post when the team gives him the ball. He just needs to be in a better defensive system.


I instantly thought of the old KFAN bit, Kevin McHale 'Big Man Camp. Then they listed the LONG line of putrid Wolves centers who were graduates of the camp.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 7:18:54 PM   
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Jimmy Butler yelled to the VP of Marketing "get me a salad for lunch. Balsamic vinaigrette!" and then dropped a 3 over Wiggins. This guy is incredible. #wolves

— Pat Gallen (@PatGallenCBS3) October 10, 2018


https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/10/11/17963746/jimmy-butler-interview-espn-rachel-nichols-timberwolves


Okay no matter where you stand, THAT'S funny. Butler obviously has an agenda to show the Wolves "OK you want me around, this is the shit show you're going to get. IDGAF". But at least he's doing it with style.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 7:18:59 PM   
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More Nate:

Here’s what I’m reasonably sure of: Butler and Thibs are gone. Unless KAT and Leon Rose do a 180 within the next 24 hours it’s only a question of when and how. That being said, this is still the Timberwolves and Glen could try rolling with the status quo because he doesn’t have access to the type of personnel that would make a change worthwhile. Also, they have a game tomorrow night and the 2 of 3 main assistants are Thibs guys who either may not want to stick around. All 4 main assistants (those two plus Ryan and John Lucas III) aren’t going to be considered for any long term head coaching position so they may not want to take a very short interim job. I know they’ve been making a shit ton of calls and the speculation as to why there isn’t a public response is because logistically they have zero time to make a change and holy crap they have a game tomorrow night.

Now, all of this is being presented by people who aren’t in the main room. From what I’ve been told that room containsTaylor, Thibs, Layden, Croom, and the CEO Casson making the main decisions. My guess is based on what I’ve been told about what office personnel are able to see in terms of who is asked to be, say, reassuring Lizhang Jiang and Terri Popp that things are going to be ok or to find the contact information for this, that, or the other organization.

Also, this is going to cost a shit ton to buy out and replace.

That’s all I got. I think you’d be surprised at how many people over there are watching the twitter machine just like we are. Also, everybody is a secret spy for someone (local bloggers, family friends, reporters, you name it) and none of them let anybody else know who is talking to who about what. Most of the ones I know are asking me what I know so the decision making circle must be very small.

Everybody is waiting around to find out what comes next and they’re feeding the RUMINT mill and mostly it’s just a lot of downtime until the (whatever) happens.

Finally, if Jeff Munneke doesn’t write a book about the history of the team when he retires he’s doing the world a great disservice.

Jeff Munneke is a great guy. He was part of my all-time greatest sports moment when I actually got him to turn down the volume on the sound at Target Center during a game. I have never felt and will never feel as powerful......

< Message edited by bohumm -- 10/11/2018 7:39:22 PM >
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 7:28:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

More Nate:

Here’s what I’m reasonably sure of: Butler and Thibs are gone. Unless KAT and Leon Rose do a 180 within the next 24 hours it’s only a question of when and how. That being said, this is still the Timberwolves and Glen could try rolling with the status quo because he doesn’t have access to the type of personnel that would make a change worthwhile. Also, they have a game tomorrow night and the 2 of 3 main assistants are Thibs guys who either may not want to stick around. All 4 main assistants (those two plus Ryan and John Lucas III) aren’t going to be considered for any long term head coaching position so they may not want to take a very short interim job. I know they’ve been making a shit ton of calls and the speculation as to why there isn’t a public response is because logistically they have zero time to make a change and holy crap they have a game tomorrow night.

Now, all of this is being presented by people who aren’t in the main room. From what I’ve been told that room containsTaylor, Thibs, Layden, Croom, and the CEO Casson making the main decisions. My guess is based on what I’ve been told about what office personnel are able to see in terms of who is asked to be, say, reassuring Lizhang Jiang and Terri Popp that things are going to be ok or to find the contact information for this, that, or the other organization.

Also, this is going to cost a shit ton to buy out and replace.

That’s all I got. I think you’d be surprised at how many people over there are watching the twitter machine just like we are. Also, everybody is a secret spy for someone (local bloggers, family friends, reporters, you name it) and none of them let anybody else know who is talking to who about what. Most of the ones I know are asking me what I know so the decision making circle must be very small.

Everybody is waiting around to find out what comes next and they’re feeding the RUMINT mill and mostly it’s just a lot of downtime until the (whatever) happens.

Finally, if Jeff Munneke doesn’t write a book about the history of the team when he retires he’s doing the world a great disservice.

Jeff Munneke is a great guy. He was part of my all-time greatest sports moment when I actually got him to turn down the volume on the sound at Target Center during a game. I have never and will never felt as powerful......


That's great -- and I know a little of the feeling. I used to operate video boards for the Twins as a part-time job during my school years. Hitting a button and seeing 30,000+ people stand up and start yelling in response -- yeah, it felt good.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 9:35:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.


Why?

McHale has the ability to coach the big men. If Thibs goes, KAT needs a coach to teach him the fine points of the big mans game.


That's the problem when things get repeated over and over again, people start believing them.

McHale was as good of a post player as we've seen, but its never been shown to translate to coaching/teaching. Kevin Garnett still doesn't have ANY post moves.

And KAT is a freaking wizard in the post when the team gives him the ball. He just needs to be in a better defensive system.


I instantly thought of the old KFAN bit, Kevin McHale 'Big Man Camp. Then they listed the LONG line of putrid Wolves centers who were graduates of the camp.

Is the problem that too many Wolves big men did not have enough talents to play on a high level in the NBA or McHale could not them up. I believe that McHale was a very poor judge of talent.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 9:41:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

Maybe bring in McHale to mentor Ryan for a season or two.


Why?

McHale has the ability to coach the big men. If Thibs goes, KAT needs a coach to teach him the fine points of the big mans game.


That's the problem when things get repeated over and over again, people start believing them.

McHale was as good of a post player as we've seen, but its never been shown to translate to coaching/teaching. Kevin Garnett still doesn't have ANY post moves.

And KAT is a freaking wizard in the post when the team gives him the ball. He just needs to be in a better defensive system.


I instantly thought of the old KFAN bit, Kevin McHale 'Big Man Camp. Then they listed the LONG line of putrid Wolves centers who were graduates of the camp.

Is the problem that too many Wolves big men did not have enough talents to play on a high level in the NBA or McHale could not them up. I believe that McHale was a very poor judge of talent.


Both.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/12/2018 5:11:57 AM   
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I thought that McHale did a decent job coaching the Rockets. However, he could not get Harden to play enough defense. That issue seem to have been solved by an offensive coach, Who is Leon Rose, KAT's agent?
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/12/2018 7:13:34 AM   
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I thought that McHale did a decent job coaching the Rockets. However, he could not get Harden to play enough defense. That issue seem to have been solved by an offensive coach, Who is Leon Rose, KAT's agent?

Yes Leon Rose is KAT's agent.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/12/2018 8:05:34 AM   
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I thought that McHale did a decent job coaching the Rockets. However, he could not get Harden to play enough defense. That issue seem to have been solved by an offensive coach, Who is Leon Rose, KAT's agent?

Yes Leon Rose is KAT's agent.

Not much coming out of the Wolves war room. Nearly all of it comes from other sources. Who are the Top candidates for POBO?
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