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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/3/2019 8:05:46 PM   
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Yep offensive line would be the smart move.

Then grab a Qb for developmental reasons because not only is cousins gone at eoc, he might get killed or maimed behind our ol as it stands, then where are we?

Offering money to Bradford again?

Trying to convince Philadelphia to let us trade for one of theirs?
Searching the scrap heap for a plug-n-play QB?



Just curious. Is Sloter not the high-end developmental guy? I never have a problem with the Dennis Green, draft a developmental guy every year. I still am very intrigued by Sloter. And we should know (more) of what we have entering the final year of Cousins contract.

There was a multiple team bidding war for Sloter (Denver in on it). He was kept on the 53 man roster when Teddy came back. There were trade rumors last year at the deadline that the Vikings were asked about him. It's curious we didn't hear anything about him this trade deadline. Maybe the hype has died down a bit? Or he's "untouchable" and Spielman has said no enough times, teams have stopped calling about him.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/4/2019 4:10:57 AM   
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If people know a QB is going to be a "future great", he'll be long gone by 18.

Sorta like Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Jimmy Garapollo, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, long gone by 18 ?

Or are you saying there is a good chance teams will NOT know, so a future star is probably waiting there to be picked at 18 ?

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/4/2019 7:53:25 AM   
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People claim to watch games..

Then they want to pick up or draft anything BUT offensive linemen...

Hoiseth and his corners, jandro and his lbers, Marty and any wr ever born

This team needs to protect the Qb and be able to gain a fn yard on second and inches or anything and goal..

Pixie dust and unicorns ain’t cutting it in the NFL

Fk the sexy pick.. draft rhinos... hippos... Brahma Bulls, any god damn thing that can block..

That's not a fair characterization of me.

I've been saying o-linemen and corners for over a decade. Those are the two most important positions on the field. If you can't get anyone blocked, you aren't going to be very good on offense. If you can't cover, you aren't going to be very good on defense.

Who was the ONE person in here pissed off about the Dalvin Cook selection? And why?

Most people in here are acting like the offensive line woes just appeared out of thin air. They've been around for quite a few years.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/4/2019 8:40:32 AM   
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You are right Dan, I was asking for WRs a few years ago, but now we are set at WR 1 and 2, will never need one again, Diggs and Theilen will never get hurt the next 3 years.

Of course I agree that OL is the strongest need, other than maybe QB. I won't mind if they go QB, if a future great QB is there at #18.


If people know a QB is going to be a "future great", he'll be long gone by 18.

There isn't many great quarterbacks in this draft. There are several stretches and mostly projects. We need to consistently run the ball to take the pressure off of Cousins. IF there is no strong running game, the defenses can tea off on him and exploit his weaknesses. No quarterback is any good when he is running for his life. You need a strong line to protect him and a running game to mix things up.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/4/2019 10:42:53 AM   
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If people know a QB is going to be a "future great", he'll be long gone by 18.

Sorta like Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Jimmy Garapollo, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, long gone by 18 ?

Or are you saying there is a good chance teams will NOT know, so a future star is probably waiting there to be picked at 18 ?


Marty is saying draft a QB if a "future great" is there at at 18.

I'm saying if anyone knows a guy is going to be a "future great", he won't be there at 18.

Of course you can get great QBs later than that. But most of those guys, even the teams drafting them didn't know how good they'd be, as they passed on them multiple times before pulling the trigger.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/4/2019 10:54:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

People claim to watch games..

Then they want to pick up or draft anything BUT offensive linemen...

Hoiseth and his corners, jandro and his lbers, Marty and any wr ever born

This team needs to protect the Qb and be able to gain a fn yard on second and inches or anything and goal..

Pixie dust and unicorns ain’t cutting it in the NFL

Fk the sexy pick.. draft rhinos... hippos... Brahma Bulls, any god damn thing that can block..

That's not a fair characterization of me.

I've been saying o-linemen and corners for over a decade. Those are the two most important positions on the field. If you can't get anyone blocked, you aren't going to be very good on offense. If you can't cover, you aren't going to be very good on defense.

Who was the ONE person in here pissed off about the Dalvin Cook selection? And why?

Most people in here are acting like the offensive line woes just appeared out of thin air. They've been around for quite a few years.


Yes you can say it every year----if you draft at the bottom of the draft like last year it wasn't easy to find a good one...I think when you look at where they drafted the last two years and see Hughes, O'Neil & Cook, Elflein (after giving a 1st round pick for Bradford) you have to see that they went oline with 1 of their 1st 2 picks the last two years.

Again they didn't ignore it.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/4/2019 10:39:56 PM   
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Ok, David, we can agree that if anyone knows a QB is going to be a "future great", he won't be there at 18.

So draft one at 18 where you aren't sure if he will be a "future great".

I would definitely lean OL, but hope the Vikes draft a project at QB in 1 of the 1st 3 rounds, as I have little faith in Cousins becoming clutch.

I like everything Sloter has shown so far [except for not converting near the goalline, at the end of a preseason game, where the opposition blitzed]. But that is just preseason, and it hasn't been enough for them to even promote him to 2nd string, over a pretty marginal 2nd stringer in Siemian.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/5/2019 3:56:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

People claim to watch games..

Then they want to pick up or draft anything BUT offensive linemen...

Hoiseth and his corners, jandro and his lbers, Marty and any wr ever born

This team needs to protect the Qb and be able to gain a fn yard on second and inches or anything and goal..

Pixie dust and unicorns ain’t cutting it in the NFL

Fk the sexy pick.. draft rhinos... hippos... Brahma Bulls, any god damn thing that can block..

That's not a fair characterization of me.

I've been saying o-linemen and corners for over a decade. Those are the two most important positions on the field. If you can't get anyone blocked, you aren't going to be very good on offense. If you can't cover, you aren't going to be very good on defense.

Who was the ONE person in here pissed off about the Dalvin Cook selection? And why?

Most people in here are acting like the offensive line woes just appeared out of thin air. They've been around for quite a few years.


Yes you can say it every year----if you draft at the bottom of the draft like last year it wasn't easy to find a good one...I think when you look at where they drafted the last two years and see Hughes, O'Neil & Cook, Elflein (after giving a 1st round pick for Bradford) you have to see that they went oline with 1 of their 1st 2 picks the last two years.

Again they didn't ignore it.

They had five positions to replace up front. As I see it, they still haven't replaced one. Elflein sucks, plain and simple. The jury is still out on O'Neill.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/5/2019 4:35:44 PM   
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All I can hope for is not to see a laundry list of players as proof the OL was addressed. Cause that's when we will see Isadora for a 5th, Jones for a 7th, etc.

And right now Elf's career has a resemblance to Matt Kalils.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/5/2019 4:55:24 PM   
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Expectations:

Reiff
1st Rounder
Elf
Second tier FA/3rd Rounder
O'Neill


Depth will be next to non-existent.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/5/2019 7:26:23 PM   
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They should sign better than a 2nd tier FA for a starter, and then find a cheaper FA for depth. Draft a starter #1 and depth #3, hopefully get Rudolph's replacement in the 2nd.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 4:47:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pager

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Yep offensive line would be the smart move.

Then grab a Qb for developmental reasons because not only is cousins gone at eoc, he might get killed or maimed behind our ol as it stands, then where are we?

Offering money to Bradford again?

Trying to convince Philadelphia to let us trade for one of theirs?
Searching the scrap heap for a plug-n-play QB?



Just curious. Is Sloter not the high-end developmental guy? I never have a problem with the Dennis Green, draft a developmental guy every year. I still am very intrigued by Sloter. And we should know (more) of what we have entering the final year of Cousins contract.

There was a multiple team bidding war for Sloter (Denver in on it). He was kept on the 53 man roster when Teddy came back. There were trade rumors last year at the deadline that the Vikings were asked about him. It's curious we didn't hear anything about him this trade deadline. Maybe the hype has died down a bit? Or he's "untouchable" and Spielman has said no enough times, teams have stopped calling about him.



i like sloter, but i cannot see how we're going to utilize him...he's under contract for one more season and then an rfa...we've been keeping him as our #3 option developmental qb...he's at a point where he should be competing for a starting spot this next season and that won't happen with the vikings....

i'd consider making him part of a trade package as the timing and opportunity just isn't going to work out with the vikings - cousins is here for two more years minimum at $27m/yr....

all that said, i think that siemian is a very poor option for qb #2 and if we just kept sloter as our #2 for what we're paying him i'd be cool with that...i'd offer him an extension, but i think his agent would advise against it - his next deal could very well be the most valuable of his career....

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 4:51:30 AM   
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They should sign better than a 2nd tier FA for a starter, and then find a cheaper FA for depth. Draft a starter #1 and depth #3, hopefully get Rudolph's replacement in the 2nd.



i like what you've spelled out here...we need to sign and draft for our immediate needs this offseason....

sign tier #1 free agent guard (i would consider a tier #2 guard as well - sign both a tier #1 and #2))

draft:
guard
tight end
o-line

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 9:56:47 AM   
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They should sign better than a 2nd tier FA for a starter, and then find a cheaper FA for depth. Draft a starter #1 and depth #3, hopefully get Rudolph's replacement in the 2nd.



What does 'should' mean... do you expect them to? Given that there may be 2-3 'first-tier' guards, with each likely to have several suitors, and each probably being expensive, is that some sort of default position?

Say for this purpose, the top 3 - i.e. 1st Tier - are Saffold, Foster, and Iupati (not saying they are). Saffold resigns with the winning Rams, Foster signs with someone, and Iupati retires. How does 'should' sign fold in to that?

Agree with the draft, have advocated for OL - modern day TE - OL. Interior types.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 10:02:12 AM   
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My guess is we sign (hence expectation on what they will do) some FA G coming off his first contract (that was the M.O. for a long time), and repackage him as having "potential", "better fit with scheme", "needs a change of scenery", "loves it here", "his injuries should be healed by OTAs", blah, blah.

Maybe also sign a mediocre 33+ vet to battle for a spot or retire, but he is sold as "brings veteran leadership", "stability", etc.

We may also hear the first week that "the FA contracts are crazy, it's prudent to let the market settle, yadda, yadda."

Sure we all WANT the best G or a top tier one, I'm saying it's doubtful we sign one.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 1:53:50 PM   
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I don't have specific names in mind, honestly don't follow other teams OL's enough to tell you who is what tier or how many of each are available. It's all rather subjective anyway. My point is, we need a big upgrade so I hope we try and make one. It's anyone's guess if we'd succeed, but we better try, we should! I'm willing to cut Griffen and give most of his 11+ mil to a top Guard. I'd rather not settle for tier 2, but if we have to we have to.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 3:53:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My guess is we sign (hence expectation on what they will do) some FA G coming off his first contract (that was the M.O. for a long time), and repackage him as having "potential", "better fit with scheme", "needs a change of scenery", "loves it here", "his injuries should be healed by OTAs", blah, blah.

Maybe also sign a mediocre 33+ vet to battle for a spot or retire, but he is sold as "brings veteran leadership", "stability", etc.

We may also hear the first week that "the FA contracts are crazy, it's prudent to let the market settle, yadda, yadda."

Sure we all WANT the best G or a top tier one, I'm saying it's doubtful we sign one.

The OLine was so glaringly bad that Speilman will overpay. He will have to or he will get fired.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 4:37:56 PM   
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My guess is we sign (hence expectation on what they will do) some FA G coming off his first contract (that was the M.O. for a long time), and repackage him as having "potential", "better fit with scheme", "needs a change of scenery", "loves it here", "his injuries should be healed by OTAs", blah, blah.

Maybe also sign a mediocre 33+ vet to battle for a spot or retire, but he is sold as "brings veteran leadership", "stability", etc.

We may also hear the first week that "the FA contracts are crazy, it's prudent to let the market settle, yadda, yadda."

Sure we all WANT the best G or a top tier one, I'm saying it's doubtful we sign one.

The OLine was so glaringly bad that Speilman will overpay. He will have to or he will get fired.



Other teams may overpay too, it just takes one. I can't see us getting into some crazy bidding war.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 6:56:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My guess is we sign (hence expectation on what they will do) some FA G coming off his first contract (that was the M.O. for a long time), and repackage him as having "potential", "better fit with scheme", "needs a change of scenery", "loves it here", "his injuries should be healed by OTAs", blah, blah.

Maybe also sign a mediocre 33+ vet to battle for a spot or retire, but he is sold as "brings veteran leadership", "stability", etc.

We may also hear the first week that "the FA contracts are crazy, it's prudent to let the market settle, yadda, yadda."

Sure we all WANT the best G or a top tier one, I'm saying it's doubtful we sign one.

The OLine was so glaringly bad that Speilman will overpay. He will have to or he will get fired.



Other teams may overpay too, it just takes one. I can't see us getting into some crazy bidding war.

We did with Cousins. Now we overpay to protect him.
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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/6/2019 7:03:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My guess is we sign (hence expectation on what they will do) some FA G coming off his first contract (that was the M.O. for a long time), and repackage him as having "potential", "better fit with scheme", "needs a change of scenery", "loves it here", "his injuries should be healed by OTAs", blah, blah.

Maybe also sign a mediocre 33+ vet to battle for a spot or retire, but he is sold as "brings veteran leadership", "stability", etc.

We may also hear the first week that "the FA contracts are crazy, it's prudent to let the market settle, yadda, yadda."

Sure we all WANT the best G or a top tier one, I'm saying it's doubtful we sign one.

The OLine was so glaringly bad that Speilman will overpay. He will have to or he will get fired.



Other teams may overpay too, it just takes one. I can't see us getting into some crazy bidding war.

We did with Cousins. Now we overpay to protect him.



I don't think so but don't have inner working details. He took less to join Minny, at least over the Jets which was the only offer I heard.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/7/2019 8:53:17 AM   
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First pick is OL or die even if it means moving up cause everyone knows your intent.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/7/2019 9:19:11 AM   
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Rd1: Cody Ford, Oklahoma
Rd2: Chris Linstrom (Boston College) or Elgton Jenkins (Mississippi State)
Rd3: Caleb Wilson, UCLA

We would instantly be a better team.

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/7/2019 3:25:28 PM   
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First pick is OL or die even if it means moving up cause everyone knows your intent.

We need to add OL talent in FA and the draft or perhaps via trade as well. We also need to add an OLine coach that can get the most out of these guys.

Sparano did that. His death hurt this unit more than people think IMO

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/7/2019 6:45:05 PM   
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Mike Tice

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RE: 2018 NFL Draft - 1/8/2019 9:10:53 AM   
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Mike Tice


I didn't want to mention meathead, and I think he's essentially retired now and doesn't have interest in coming back.

But He was a good Oline coach when he had a HOFer, a top notch LT (before he died) and a very good Center (Christy) and solid other guys like Dixon, Steussie and Lindsay (as the all world backup).

I would be dubious about hiring him. He did well because he had great players. Most coaches would.

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