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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 9:49:10 PM   
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Not going to pretend I knew anything about Okogie. But he looks quick and athletic. Strikes me as a guy who needs to find his niche. If he does, he could be a valuable player someday. These are the type of gems it’s appropriate to mine with the 20th pick.

I approve.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 9:49:51 PM   
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Rich man’s version of Andrew Wiggins, love this pick



Forget Wiggins, bad comparison. More like Oladipo than Wiggins.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 9:50:04 PM   
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Khyri Thomas, G, Creighton



No one took him in the first round?

Whoops

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 9:50:54 PM   
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Golden State continues to draft well.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:11:21 PM   
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OH. MY. GOD.

Wolves finally listened to me!!!

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Sources: The Minnesota Timberwolves are selecting Josh Okogie with the No. 20 pick in the NBA draft.


Ok, which front office person involved in player personnel ARE you!



He definitely should be.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:23:21 PM   
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Sources: Phoenix (Arizona’s DeAndre Ayton) and Sacramento (Duke’s Marvin Bagley III) have locked in on the NBA Draft’s Nos. 1 and 2 picks.
1:28 PM - Jun 21, 2018

They're a reason bad teams stay bad...(and we should know)...



Saw the SI.com story on if there is a real need to draft bigs in today's NBA?

Granted not everyone has a 6/11 Durant or all those athletic guys. What do you guys thing?


That's why JJJ is probably the best prospect since Anthony Davis.

6'11 teenager with a 7'5 wingspan that is, by far, the best shotblocker in college, hit 40% of his 3s, 80% of his FTs and may be able to guard every position on the floor in a couple years.

But classic centers? They all got run off the floor in the playoffs.


Phoenix had a chance to actually start building a better team. They passed on that opportunity.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:30:01 PM   
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Shams Charania✔@ShamsCharania
Sources: Phoenix (Arizona’s DeAndre Ayton) and Sacramento (Duke’s Marvin Bagley III) have locked in on the NBA Draft’s Nos. 1 and 2 picks.
1:28 PM - Jun 21, 2018

They're a reason bad teams stay bad...(and we should know)...



Saw the SI.com story on if there is a real need to draft bigs in today's NBA?

Granted not everyone has a 6/11 Durant or all those athletic guys. What do you guys thing?


That's why JJJ is probably the best prospect since Anthony Davis.

6'11 teenager with a 7'5 wingspan that is, by far, the best shotblocker in college, hit 40% of his 3s, 80% of his FTs and may be able to guard every position on the floor in a couple years.

But classic centers? They all got run off the floor in the playoffs.


Phoenix had a chance to actually start building a better team. They passed on that opportunity.


The look like they're building a team to try to score 150 PPG.

And give up 160...
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:32:17 PM   
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Of curse Morey grabs Melton.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:36:41 PM   
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Keita Bates-Diop!

Fantastic value this late!

Wow.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:37:16 PM   
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On RealGM everybody loved KBD and we got him. Has been Jay Bilas best player available since the second round began.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:38:21 PM   
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Keita Bates-Diop!

Fantastic value this late!

Wow.



Agreed.
we got significantly deeper and harder working tonight.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:41:07 PM   
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He's a guy we were linked to at 20 by some sources.

A combo forward who can space the floor and defend multiple positions.

PLUSES
Won Big Ten Player of the Year.
Solid shooter with a high release point and NBA range, though he lacks dynamism taking jumpers off the dribble.
Good touch around the rim on floaters, runners, and layups with either hand.
Skilled post-up player who can score from either block using a multitude of moves.
Knows how to cut, screen, and complete simple passes.
Good instincts chasing rebounds out of his area and using his length to snatch the ball above opponents.
Defends guards on the perimeter as competently as he does big men in the pick-and-roll.
Has the length to protect the rim, block shots from the weak side, and jump passing lanes.

MINUSES
Underwent surgery in 2017 for a stress fracture in his left leg.
Lacks the toughness to regularly play the 4 or 5, and the speed to play the 2 or 3. Does he have an ideal position?
Displays questionable toughness when battling in the post or boxing out for rebounds.
Lacks the quick first step, agility, or ball-handling skills necessary to be a shot creator.
His motor stalls too often; can a team get consistent production out of him?
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:41:32 PM   
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As down as I've been on Thibs, he KILLED the draft.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:41:48 PM   
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Here's one article on KBD. It was assumed he would be a first round pick.

The forward out of Ohio State is expected to hear his name called in the first round of the 2018 NBA Draft

On Thursday night, Keita Bates-Diop is expected to hear his name called sometime during the first round of the NBA Draft. Bates-Diop, a member of Chris Holtmann’s inaugural team at Ohio State, was the catalyst to the Buckeyes getting back to the NCAA Tournament in 2018.
During his redshirt junior campaign of 2017-18, Bates-Diop shined. He was named Big Ten Player of the Week four times, National Player of the Week by the USBWA once, and was also one of 10 finalists for the Naismith Trophy.
Those accolades came with good reason. Throughout the course of the season, KBD had a double-double on 13 different occasions. On the road against Purdue and Indiana, he pulled down rebounds and put up points to cross the double-double plateau. And in the First Round of the NCAA Tournament, Bates-Diop dropped 24 points on 12 boards against South Dakota State en route to an OSU win.
Against No. 1 Michigan State back on Jan. 7, KBD pulled together a 32-point outing, and put the Big Ten on notice that, yes, the Buckeyes were back. Without the Normal, Ill., prospect on last year’s team, the Buckeyes would’ve floundered.
Expectations weren’t high for Ohio State last season. A new coach combined with an exodus of talent via transfers created a bleak outlook for the Buckeyes: the cellar of the Big Ten.
But, that didn’t happen—and it’s thanks to the work of KBD.
While he isn’t projected to be a No. 1 pick, Bates-Diop has the intangibles to become a star at the professional level.

Strengths

KBD is 6-foot-7, and can do a little bit of everything well. He can work inside for a rebound and a putback; he can also pull-up a shot from three-point range if he needed to. Last season against Maryland, he went 6-of-8 from beyond the arc. As a total in 2017-18, Bates-Diop buried 66-of-184 three-pointers (35.9 percent).
Since Golden State started the new trend of an aerial assault from downtown, the “big man” can’t just be a rebound machine. The new-age forward has to get rebounds, be able to guard the perimeter and be able to launch shots from the perimeter, too. Bates-Diop has a little experience doing all those things, and will only build off that experience.
DraftExpress did a scouting report on KBD, and they hit the nail on the head in regards to his ability to play defense:

When Bates-Diop is fully engaged, he shows the ability to be a real stopper defensively, and has the quickness, perimeter mobility, and length to defend multiple positions, something which you can’t have enough of in today’s NBA.

If Bates-Diop has to go up and guard against a Stephen Curry or Jayson Tatum, he probably could do it. If KBD has to go down in the post and contest shots, I’m willing to believe that he’ll find ways to make blocks and/or stops.
On top of taking OSU to the tourney, Bates-Diop was Big Ten Player of the Year and First-Team All-Big Ten. The conference was no joke this season, as Michigan ended up in the Final Four, and Purdue made a decent run in March. KBD put together a show in an elite conference, and I believe he’ll be able to do the same (with some decent coaching) in the NBA.

Weaknesses

In the final handful of games last season, Bates-Diop looked tired. That could’ve been for a number of different reasons—ranging from the condensed conference schedule, to having to be on the court for over 30 minutes for most of the games. However, there’s no denying that late-season KBD looked a lot different from the KBD that put on a clinic against Michigan State.
On top of the tiredness, there was also an inconsistency to Bates-Diop’s ability to score. At its worst, KBD was held to just six points against...Rutgers. In the tournament game against South Dakota State, Bates-Diop scored a respectable 24 points, however, it came off a 7-of-19 display from the field. On the defensive end, teams were able to crash the glass and get better looks around the floor against the Buckeyes.
It may be easier to suggest that as the season wore on, the Buckeyes as a whole just got tired. There’s probably some truth to that. But there’s also, I believe, some truth in that teams began focusing on Ohio State more as the season progressed. Remember, the Buckeyes weren’t a team on anybody’s radar. During the non-conference slate of games, Gonzaga, Clemson and North Carolina scored victories over the Buckeyes. However, once the Big Ten games heated up, OSU went on a run of nine-straight wins. Teams began adapting to KBD and the Buckeyes, and that’s when the cracks started to show on the armor.
His NBA.com draft combine analysis speaks a little about his inconsistencies on defense

Made an impact protecting the rim, rebounding out of his area, and guarding multiple positions when he was dialed in last season. Sense of urgency comes and goes, but tools shine in spurts.

Doing well in spurts may make KBD an excellent role player or sixth man. But with more conditioning and practice, Bates-Diop can get to a starting role.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:42:48 PM   
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Shams Charania✔@ShamsCharania
Sources: Phoenix (Arizona’s DeAndre Ayton) and Sacramento (Duke’s Marvin Bagley III) have locked in on the NBA Draft’s Nos. 1 and 2 picks.
1:28 PM - Jun 21, 2018

They're a reason bad teams stay bad...(and we should know)...



Saw the SI.com story on if there is a real need to draft bigs in today's NBA?

Granted not everyone has a 6/11 Durant or all those athletic guys. What do you guys thing?


That's why JJJ is probably the best prospect since Anthony Davis.

6'11 teenager with a 7'5 wingspan that is, by far, the best shotblocker in college, hit 40% of his 3s, 80% of his FTs and may be able to guard every position on the floor in a couple years.

But classic centers? They all got run off the floor in the playoffs.


Phoenix had a chance to actually start building a better team. They passed on that opportunity.


The look like they're building a team to try to score 150 PPG.

And give up 160...


Exactly.

Seemed like a perfect opportunity to change that.

The smartest cat on that team (Chandler) would have been a great mentor for Jackson.

Instead, Chandler will be playing big minutes while Ayton flails, fouls and flounders defensively.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 10:45:23 PM   
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As down as I've been on Thibs, he KILLED the draft.



I agree, and I'm shocked.

Now, coach them.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 11:05:22 PM   
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We added crazy length and athleticism to our roster tonight.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 11:12:14 PM   
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Hey, Phoenix actually made a good selection; George King. Old, but I think they finally got value.
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/21/2018 11:32:40 PM   
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As down as I've been on Thibs, he KILLED the draft.



I agree, and I'm shocked.

Now, coach them.

That’s big praise from you two
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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/22/2018 6:18:42 AM   
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Personally, I like it when draft grades come out and the grader uses a bell curve. Otherwise, everyone gets an "A" or a "B" and there's really no accountability. Yahoo Sports had an interesting take on the Wolves selection of Okogie:

Minnesota Timberwolves – Draft Grade C - The Wolves drafted SG Josh Okogie at 20 and he’ll play behind Andrew Wiggins. We won’t see much of him this year.

I truly wonder about this. Assuming Wiggins remains with the Wolves, I'd love to see Thibs replace Wiggins if he isn't engaged or doesn't feel compelled to play defense. Yank him for someone who will be.

The Guardian, however, had this to say:

Josh Okogie gives the Wolves a good wing player to come off the bench. He’s a good defensive player who can also shoot. Expect him to play a lot next year.

< Message edited by Elliot -- 6/22/2018 7:03:36 AM >


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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/22/2018 7:08:51 AM   
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We added crazy length and athleticism to our roster tonight.


When you add in Patton from last year (if he can ever stay healthy) it almost appears Thib's gets it.

Need to shed the dead weight off the roster.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/22/2018 7:28:18 AM   
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I'm stunned. One paper at least, we appear to have had one hell of a draft. I tried not to get invested in this draft because they invariably wind up passing over better players. The universal reaction seems to be that they did extremely well. Diop falling to us at #2 is quite a stroke of luck. Usually, you expect an athletic project or maybe a Euro player who will come over in a couple of years. We actually got a polished player, who could contribute.

I've ripped the crap out of him for the past year, but I have to say nice job Thibs. Hell of a draft.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/22/2018 8:37:17 AM   
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Bleacher report gave #1 an "A":

Okogie may be the antithetical wing to Andrew Wiggins, and that's exactly what Minnesota needs.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/22/2018 8:39:13 AM   
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B+ on the #2 pick

Even if his shooting stroke doesn't go with him from Columbus, Ohio, to Minneapolis, he has the tools necessary to contribute in a plethora of areas and become a convincing glue guy for the second unit.

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RE: 2018 NBA Draft - 6/22/2018 8:43:05 AM   
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How does #2 not get an A+? That was a fricken steal. I get that we always hear the canned statement "We were shocked he was still there". This is one case where no way in hell should this guy been on the board in the mid 40's. Diop going at around 20-25 was a very realistic expectation.

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