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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:26:40 PM   
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Carlson made a good percentage of kicks in some pressure situations at Auburn.


Irrelevant. This is the NFL.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:30:09 PM   
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Anybody still questioning the Cousins move. Spielman looks damn good there. How many throws did he make Keenum couldn't have?
He out played Rodgers at Green Bay.


He pretty much outplayed any QB at any venue at any circumstance.

Seems like in the first half he was somewhat hamstrung by the play calling, seems like flip/zimmer were a little to ointent on establishing the run game, and "keeping it close"

That said, seemed like Zimmer stayed disciplined with his DL rotation, and that payed off late.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:33:04 PM   
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Carlson made a good percentage of kicks in some pressure situations at Auburn.


Irrelevant. This is the NFL.


Yes, college football is irrelevant because you say so.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:34:26 PM   
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Anybody still questioning the Cousins move. Spielman looks damn good there. How many throws did he make Keenum couldn't have?
He out played Rodgers at Green Bay.


And none of his completions was the butt blind lucky variety like Keenum got away with last year.


Cousins absolutely was the real deal today, and I'm sure this has been discussed earlier, but he missed Thielen on that on play when Thielen was literally the only person in his area code deep.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:36:28 PM   
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Carlson made a good percentage of kicks in some pressure situations at Auburn.


Irrelevant. This is the NFL.


Yes, college football is irrelevant because you say so.


No college football is irrelevant because this is the NFL.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:37:30 PM   
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Anybody still questioning the Cousins move. Spielman looks damn good there. How many throws did he make Keenum couldn't have?
He out played Rodgers at Green Bay.


And none of his completions was the butt blind lucky variety like Keenum got away with last year.


Cousins absolutely was the real deal today, and I'm sure this has been discussed earlier, but he missed Thielen on that on play when Thielen was literally the only person in his area code deep.



He could have punted it to him and no defender would have got there.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:38:27 PM   
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Carlson made a good percentage of kicks in some pressure situations at Auburn.


Irrelevant. This is the NFL.


Yes, college football is irrelevant because you say so.


No college football is irrelevant because this is the NFL.


Why do NFL teams waste their time scouting college games?

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:44:10 PM   
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Carlson made a good percentage of kicks in some pressure situations at Auburn.


Irrelevant. This is the NFL.


Yes, college football is irrelevant because you say so.


There's a pretty lengthy list of great college players that were awful in the NFL. Hell, just look at the list of Heisman winners.

We need to run from Carlson immediately. If he can be fixed, let somebody else work on that.

Perfect snap, hold, blocking and weather conditions on 3 Field Goal Attempts less than 50 yards, including a potential game winner from 35.
Completely unacceptable.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 8:44:39 PM   
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Glad Zimmer mentioned Green Bay continually getting away with holding by their tackles.


It's interesting that they are actually trained to use what is actually the NFL definition of a hold in their blocking technique. That the refs actually let that shit go is sickening actually.

Strangely enough, today's game seemed to be relatively fairly reffed, considering the history.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 9:02:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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Anybody still questioning the Cousins move. Spielman looks damn good there. How many throws did he make Keenum couldn't have?
He out played Rodgers at Green Bay.


And none of his completions was the butt blind lucky variety like Keenum got away with last year.


Cousins absolutely was the real deal today, and I'm sure this has been discussed earlier, but he missed Thielen on that on play when Thielen was literally the only person in his area code deep.



He could have punted it to him and no defender would have got there.



Please tell me this is just an "damn we should have won convo". Everything you guys say is true but come on. He was open, yes. But when you are making decisions like that on the fly you move on and don't go "man, AT was open before I had to pull it down, let me check again". It doesn't matter if you are the only one the field at that point. He moved on with his eyes.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 10:23:21 PM  1 votes
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If these 2 teams meet in the playoffs, a different result is guaranteed
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/16/2018 10:32:43 PM   
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Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 12:09:22 AM   
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They have gambled on many things and won, just lost out with this kicker.

Cut your losses, and bring back Kai tomorrow.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 12:18:54 AM   
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Our D-Ends need to make a lateral move when they're getting held up under the shoulder pads and expose the hold the way the Puker did on Reif.

EXPOSE THE HOLD!!!


I like this idea. The problem is, they trust, and have learned some great techniques from Patterson, and would be abandoning some of that to try and draw a flag, and it still might not draw the flag, and then you have a hole and a defender out of position.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 12:22:55 AM   
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It would have been a little ironic, or maybe someone can suggest a better word, if the Packers had ended up losing the game because of the Aaron Rodgers rule.

I realize Fabio's hit doesn't fit that, just meant if it had been the sorta hit that got flagged as a defender landed on Kirk.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 10:12:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.


Obviously, the job is to rate players, and the ability is perform at the college level is only one of the factors, but it is still a factor. A lot of people seem to forget that Forbath struggled with EXTRA POINTS.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 10:33:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

Carlson made a good percentage of kicks in some pressure situations at Auburn.


Irrelevant. This is the NFL.


Yes, college football is irrelevant because you say so.


No college football is irrelevant because this is the NFL.


Why do NFL teams waste their time scouting college games?

Dude you are NEVER going to get this person, who’s real user name is completely different, to change his mind.. his word is gods law.. period, just never take betting advice from him, you will lose your shirt..

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 10:44:33 AM   
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Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.


Obviously, the job is to rate players, and the ability is perform at the college level is only one of the factors, but it is still a factor. A lot of people seem to forget that Forbath struggled with EXTRA POINTS.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Spielman has done a bad job overall. Obviously he's given us the raw material to be a Super Bowl contender.

But he whiffed on Carlson.

You can't defend it by saying, "Well it's not Spielman's fault. Carlson was a top rated guy." Yes it is his is fault. Lots of so-called top rated guys fail. His job is to avoid those guys. And his job is also not to waste a 5th round draft pick on a kicker who can't make field goals. Any number of free agent rookies could have done the job.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 10:48:10 AM   
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Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.


Obviously, the job is to rate players, and the ability is perform at the college level is only one of the factors, but it is still a factor. A lot of people seem to forget that Forbath struggled with EXTRA POINTS.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Spielman has done a bad job overall. Obviously he's given us the raw material to be a Super Bowl contender.

But he whiffed on Carlson.

You can't defend it by saying, "Well it's not Spielman's fault. Carlson was a top rated guy." Yes it is his is fault. Lots of so-called top rated guys fail. His job is to avoid those guys. And his job is also not to waste a 5th round draft pick on a kicker who can't make field goals. Any number of free agent rookies could have done the job.


Carlson was terrible yesterday. For all we know, he could go on to be an All Pro for ten years.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 11:06:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.


Obviously, the job is to rate players, and the ability is perform at the college level is only one of the factors, but it is still a factor. A lot of people seem to forget that Forbath struggled with EXTRA POINTS.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Spielman has done a bad job overall. Obviously he's given us the raw material to be a Super Bowl contender.

But he whiffed on Carlson.

You can't defend it by saying, "Well it's not Spielman's fault. Carlson was a top rated guy." Yes it is his is fault. Lots of so-called top rated guys fail. His job is to avoid those guys. And his job is also not to waste a 5th round draft pick on a kicker who can't make field goals. Any number of free agent rookies could have done the job.


Carlson was terrible yesterday. For all we know, he could go on to be an All Pro for ten years.


Yes he might. I'm betting he won't get that chance with the Vikings though, right or wrong. Zimmer seems like a guy who doesn't have much patience for bad kicking. I guess it will come down to how much sway he has over Spielman to convince him give up on the highest drafted kicker in Vikings history.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 11:16:12 AM   
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The kicking situation wasn't helped when the punter (holder for kicks) was changed after the pre-season games had been completed. I' not saying that there was anything wrong with the holds, but it could be that the level of comfort is not there.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 11:56:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.


Obviously, the job is to rate players, and the ability is perform at the college level is only one of the factors, but it is still a factor. A lot of people seem to forget that Forbath struggled with EXTRA POINTS.


Forbath cost us 5 points on missed PATs over 16 games last year.

Carlson has already cost us 9 on FGAs in just 2 games.

He missed two game winners yesterday alone...
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 11:58:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zoilo

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Some people like to give Spielman a lot of grief, but Carlson was one of the top kickers available in the draft.


If the whole job was just picking top rated guys, any of us could do it.

The trick is picking the right guys who will get the job done in the NFL.


Obviously, the job is to rate players, and the ability is perform at the college level is only one of the factors, but it is still a factor. A lot of people seem to forget that Forbath struggled with EXTRA POINTS.


Forbath cost us 5 points on missed PATs over 16 games last year.

Carlson has already cost us 9 on FGAs in just 2 games.

He missed two game winners yesterday alone...


12, Carlson cost us 12 points on FGs alone in just two games.

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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 1:51:55 PM   
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Probably not a good idea by the special team's coach to change holders with a rookie kicker, unless he HAD to.
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RE: WEEK 2: @ Packers 9-16-18 12:00PM CT - 9/17/2018 2:04:25 PM   
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I just read that the Vikings released Carlson. I hope there is some veteran out there looking for a spot on a team.

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