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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 8:47:47 PM   
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GB left tackle is guilty of false start nearly every pass play



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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 8:51:02 PM   
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rodgers can't outrun Dline anymore

LOVE IT

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:03:00 PM   
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P U got 2 lighten up on the acronyms.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:06:18 PM   
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Brees went down on a slide, untouched, and then fumbled the ball. A Rams' player grabbed the ball.

Is that a fumble ? I honestly don't know the rules on that.

Maybe the Rams will have to deal with officials being against them with having Suh on their team. We'll see what the refs do [and don't do] in the 4th quarter.

Ground can't cause a fumble


Not true.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:08:26 PM   
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Michael Thomas with 10 rec on 12 targets for 121 yards in 3 qtrs

He's eating Marcus overrated Peters lunch


How did he do last week against our UDFA rookie?
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:18:28 PM   
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Brees went down on a slide, untouched, and then fumbled the ball. A Rams' player grabbed the ball.

Is that a fumble ? I honestly don't know the rules on that.

Maybe the Rams will have to deal with officials being against them with having Suh on their team. We'll see what the refs do [and don't do] in the 4th quarter.

Ground can't cause a fumble


Yes it can if your not touched. The ground has caused several fumbles. I think in this case though, it is a new point of emphasis this year that if a Quarterback slides head first he is considered giving himself up. He doesn't have to slide feet first anymore. And as soon as he gives himself up the play is over. If he tripped over his own feet (not a slide) and went to the ground, the ground could cause a fumble. I think that would have been a fumble last year when a head first slide was not considered giving your self up.


What really bothers me, is that as soon as a QB "gives himself up" then the ball should be marked down right at that spot. So even though you can't actually hit the QB at that point, the QBs sliding ahead continues to gain forward yardage. It's ridiculous. Soon they will be training QBs in the art of broad jumping which will give an extra 5 yards or so once they initialize their "slide"
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:27:02 PM   
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white inside run? not seeing it

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:27:51 PM   
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white inside run? not seeing it



yep they go patterson.

he's so tall, all he had to is fall foward

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:34:41 PM   
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Huge 1st and goal from the 1 stop

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 9:42:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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Brees went down on a slide, untouched, and then fumbled the ball. A Rams' player grabbed the ball.

Is that a fumble ? I honestly don't know the rules on that.

Maybe the Rams will have to deal with officials being against them with having Suh on their team. We'll see what the refs do [and don't do] in the 4th quarter.

Ground can't cause a fumble


Yes it can if your not touched. The ground has caused several fumbles. I think in this case though, it is a new point of emphasis this year that if a Quarterback slides head first he is considered giving himself up. He doesn't have to slide feet first anymore. And as soon as he gives himself up the play is over. If he tripped over his own feet (not a slide) and went to the ground, the ground could cause a fumble. I think that would have been a fumble last year when a head first slide was not considered giving your self up.


What really bothers me, is that as soon as a QB "gives himself up" then the ball should be marked down right at that spot. So even though you can't actually hit the QB at that point, the QBs sliding ahead continues to gain forward yardage. It's ridiculous. Soon they will be training QBs in the art of broad jumping which will give an extra 5 yards or so once they initialize their "slide"


Ball is supposed to go back to where he starts his slide. Doesn't seem to work that way.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 10:10:38 PM   
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Patriots offense looking pretty bad (relative) in the second half (not scoring from 1 yard line adds to that perception)

Then they have a well designed gadet play that is probably going to be the difference in the game.

Genus level coaching. Genus.

When Brady retires, could we trade for Billichick (assuming we haven't won a Superbowl by then)? I'd give up two first rounders.

I would love to see what he does with this roster.

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 10:14:40 PM   
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Patriots offense looking pretty bad (relative) in the second half (not scoring from 1 yard line adds to that perception)

Then they have a well designed gadet play that is probably going to be the difference in the game.

Genus level coaching. Genus.

When Brady retires, could we trade for Billichick (assuming we haven't won a Superbowl by then)? I'd give up two first rounders.

I would love to see what he does with this roster.


That might even be Phylum level coaching. Well designed play to Gordon too.

Edit: Were you referring to the throw back screen or the fake screen slant to Gordon?

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 10:21:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hrerikl

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: hrerikl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

Brees went down on a slide, untouched, and then fumbled the ball. A Rams' player grabbed the ball.

Is that a fumble ? I honestly don't know the rules on that.

Maybe the Rams will have to deal with officials being against them with having Suh on their team. We'll see what the refs do [and don't do] in the 4th quarter.

Ground can't cause a fumble


Yes it can if your not touched. The ground has caused several fumbles. I think in this case though, it is a new point of emphasis this year that if a Quarterback slides head first he is considered giving himself up. He doesn't have to slide feet first anymore. And as soon as he gives himself up the play is over. If he tripped over his own feet (not a slide) and went to the ground, the ground could cause a fumble. I think that would have been a fumble last year when a head first slide was not considered giving your self up.


What really bothers me, is that as soon as a QB "gives himself up" then the ball should be marked down right at that spot. So even though you can't actually hit the QB at that point, the QBs sliding ahead continues to gain forward yardage. It's ridiculous. Soon they will be training QBs in the art of broad jumping which will give an extra 5 yards or so once they initialize their "slide"


Ball is supposed to go back to where he starts his slide. Doesn't seem to work that way.

Basically you would never know that is the rule. I can't imagine that is the rule the way they call it. Consistently.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 10:28:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hrerikl

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: marty

Brees went down on a slide, untouched, and then fumbled the ball. A Rams' player grabbed the ball.

Is that a fumble ? I honestly don't know the rules on that.

Maybe the Rams will have to deal with officials being against them with having Suh on their team. We'll see what the refs do [and don't do] in the 4th quarter.

Ground can't cause a fumble


Yes it can if your not touched. The ground has caused several fumbles. I think in this case though, it is a new point of emphasis this year that if a Quarterback slides head first he is considered giving himself up. He doesn't have to slide feet first anymore. And as soon as he gives himself up the play is over. If he tripped over his own feet (not a slide) and went to the ground, the ground could cause a fumble. I think that would have been a fumble last year when a head first slide was not considered giving your self up.


What really bothers me, is that as soon as a QB "gives himself up" then the ball should be marked down right at that spot. So even though you can't actually hit the QB at that point, the QBs sliding ahead continues to gain forward yardage. It's ridiculous. Soon they will be training QBs in the art of broad jumping which will give an extra 5 yards or so once they initialize their "slide"


Ball is supposed to go back to where he starts his slide. Doesn't seem to work that way.

Basically you would never know that is the rule. I can't imagine that is the rule the way they call it. Consistently.


Clarification: It is where he first touches the ground. So in your broad jump scenario it gets a little silly.

I was wrong. Apparently "Starts his slide" means makes first contact with the ground. Even with that as the rule the spots often seem generous.

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If a runner (including a quarterback) gives himself up, then he is down where the first body part touches the ground. The runner should not benefit from additional yardage after the first body part touches. Defenders do not have to go down to initiate contact to stop a runner from gaining more yards after he contacts the ground.


You can imagine a Quarterback "giving themselves up" for a Touchdown.

< Message edited by hrerikl -- 11/4/2018 10:34:12 PM >
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 10:30:28 PM   
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Patriots offense looking pretty bad (relative) in the second half (not scoring from 1 yard line adds to that perception)

Then they have a well designed gadet play that is probably going to be the difference in the game.

Genus level coaching. Genus.

When Brady retires, could we trade for Billichick (assuming we haven't won a Superbowl by then)? I'd give up two first rounders.

I would love to see what he does with this roster.


That might even be Phylum level coaching. Well designed play to Gordon too.

Edit: Were you referring to the throw back screen or the fake screen slant to Gordon?


King Phillip?

Throw back screen. Game turned on that play. Fake Screen Slant was a great call, better execution (by Brady)

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 11:37:02 PM   
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Brees went down on a slide, untouched, and then fumbled the ball. A Rams' player grabbed the ball.

Is that a fumble ? I honestly don't know the rules on that.

Maybe the Rams will have to deal with officials being against them with having Suh on their team. We'll see what the refs do [and don't do] in the 4th quarter.

Ground can't cause a fumble


Yes it can if your not touched. The ground has caused several fumbles. I think in this case though, it is a new point of emphasis this year that if a Quarterback slides head first he is considered giving himself up. He doesn't have to slide feet first anymore. And as soon as he gives himself up the play is over. If he tripped over his own feet (not a slide) and went to the ground, the ground could cause a fumble. I think that would have been a fumble last year when a head first slide was not considered giving your self up.


What really bothers me, is that as soon as a QB "gives himself up" then the ball should be marked down right at that spot. So even though you can't actually hit the QB at that point, the QBs sliding ahead continues to gain forward yardage. It's ridiculous. Soon they will be training QBs in the art of broad jumping which will give an extra 5 yards or so once they initialize their "slide"


Ball is supposed to go back to where he starts his slide. Doesn't seem to work that way.

Basically you would never know that is the rule. I can't imagine that is the rule the way they call it. Consistently.


Clarification: It is where he first touches the ground. So in your broad jump scenario it gets a little silly.

I was wrong. Apparently "Starts his slide" means makes first contact with the ground. Even with that as the rule the spots often seem generous.

quote:

If a runner (including a quarterback) gives himself up, then he is down where the first body part touches the ground. The runner should not benefit from additional yardage after the first body part touches. Defenders do not have to go down to initiate contact to stop a runner from gaining more yards after he contacts the ground.


You can imagine a Quarterback "giving themselves up" for a Touchdown.


IOWs my broad jump theory makes perfect sense. Once you've given yourself up, you can launch yourself through the air and be given forward progress to the point where your first body part lands. The Bob Beamon offense would have been unstoppable. The next big joke in the NFL rulebook is the "incidental leg contact" when a defender trips up an offensive player mid route.

Clearly the rule should be the ball is dead at the spot where the player first turtles up.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/4/2018 11:52:17 PM   
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Levels of QB:

1) Brady, Rodgers
2) Brees, Big Ben, Wilson
3) Rivers, Cousins, Flacco
4) Who cares

Cousins is not in the 1st 2 categories, because he needs to improve on faking the defense out, and winning in more ways in the red zone. He is at times, a tad too aggressive, needs to sometimes take a sack or throw it away. Make quicker, right decisions in the red zone.

Cousins is very close, and I hope with Defillipo's help, he'll move into the next higher tier, get more early leads, blow more teams out, and be successful in the playoffs.

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/6/2018 8:06:55 AM   
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The world is a better place when the Cowboys suck.

Mariota and the GASP! Titans with some very clever play-calling last night
We simply HAVE to start being more creative.
Some of these latest red zone calls to get into the end zone are refreshing ... and give you hope that creativity isn't dead.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/6/2018 11:57:01 AM   
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Thought it was funny they were calling out Linehan for running on 1st down more than any team and being predictable.

CAN LINEHAN!!!!

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/8/2018 8:43:25 PM   
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how is that not a leading with the helmet penalty on Wyatt on his sack on Newton with about 130 left?

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/8/2018 9:34:01 PM   
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Good god PIT just crushing CAR. Their TEs are athletic, breaking tackles, 3 TD between em (I think). Great offensive play calling.

A little bit jealous.

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/9/2018 8:54:22 AM   
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If it wasn't for NE's other-worldly consistency, Pitt would get a lot of love.
Always relevant it seems.
Never an easy out. I've always liked Tomlin. We've had some pretty awesome assistants come thru here.
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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/9/2018 9:33:58 AM   
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One thing about last night's game. Up 45-14 They kick off and the Carolina Returner fumbles, Steelers recover. Did they get all conservative like? NO. they went for the throat and scored again. I want this mentality on my team I don't want our team to get all conservative when we have a good lead. Keep pushing to score. I'm not saying go for it on 4th Down or onside kick or go for two point conversions....No Just don't take the foot off the gas pedal.

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/9/2018 8:21:39 PM   
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One thing about last night's game. Up 45-14 They kick off and the Carolina Returner fumbles, Steelers recover. Did they get all conservative like? NO. they went for the throat and scored again. I want this mentality on my team I don't want our team to get all conservative when we have a good lead. Keep pushing to score. I'm not saying go for it on 4th Down or onside kick or go for two point conversions....No Just don't take the foot off the gas pedal.



Couldn't agree more. It's why I posted I was jealous

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RE: Other Games 2018-19 - 11/9/2018 8:45:59 PM   
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Levels of QB:

1) Brady, Rodgers
2) Brees, Big Ben, Wilson
3) Rivers, Cousins, Flacco
4) Who cares

Cousins is not in the 1st 2 categories, because he needs to improve on faking the defense out, and winning in more ways in the red zone. He is at times, a tad too aggressive, needs to sometimes take a sack or throw it away. Make quicker, right decisions in the red zone.

Cousins is very close, and I hope with Defillipo's help, he'll move into the next higher tier, get more early leads, blow more teams out, and be successful in the playoffs.



Flacco is not in tier 3. He won a Super Bowl with a killer defense and that's all that's ever happened. Honestly he is mediocre.

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