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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 8:31:14 AM   
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So are we happy? I don’t know whether to be happy. Someone tell me how to feel.

Don't worry. Be Happy.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 8:35:26 AM   
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So are we happy? I don’t know whether to be happy. Someone tell me how to feel.


I'll reserve judgment. This was definitely not a move that made me want to finally throw in the towel. I liked the vibe from Langdon, but with any of these guys it's hard to know what their real impact was with other organizations. They were the right hand men of the people of actually called the shots.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 10:00:12 AM   
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It's a good move. It's not what I expected, but he was one of two choices I would've been happy with.
I'm feeling good about it.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 11:16:07 AM   
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So are we happy? I don’t know whether to be happy. Someone tell me how to feel.


I'll reserve judgment. This was definitely not a move that made me want to finally throw in the towel. I liked the vibe from Langdon, but with any of these guys it's hard to know what their real impact was with other organizations. They were the right hand men of the people of actually called the shots.
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The top 3 front offices is West, Rockets and Spurs. He has been around long enough to know the ropes. He can bring in his guys and can run the organization as he see fit. His biggest area is the draft and managing our cap and free agent signings.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 11:59:03 AM   
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It's the same organization that made the most baffling president hire of all time, David Kahn. So I guess I'm happy this hire does not appear to approach that level. Otherwise we'll see.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 1:15:31 PM   
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I really like what the CEO is doing...Cassan. He seems to be a good hire. Has been involved in the Thibs firing and new President Hire.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 4:32:51 PM   
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The Task at Hand for Gersson Rosas and His Minnesota Timberwolves
By Dane Moore - May 2, 2019


https://zonecoverage.com/2019/featured/the-task-at-hand-for-gersson-rosas-and-his-minnesota-timberwolves/
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/2/2019 4:51:25 PM   
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The Task at Hand for Gersson Rosas and His Minnesota Timberwolves
By Dane Moore - May 2, 2019


https://zonecoverage.com/2019/featured/the-task-at-hand-for-gersson-rosas-and-his-minnesota-timberwolves/

I love these lines at the end of that article.

If Rosas deems Saunders is a demonstrably worse coach than, say, Dave Joerger, Rosas has to make a move.

If Rosas feels Jones or Rose pale in comparison at point guard, Rosas has to draft or sign a different guard and let Jones and Rose walk.

If Rosas believes Wiggins’ presence greatly hinders the progression of Towns, he has to canvas the league and pay the penance to move Wiggins immediately.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/3/2019 5:25:23 PM   
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Hey, at least we know DL had bad intel. So much for "it will be Booth."

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/3/2019 9:59:19 PM   
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Hey, at least we know DL had bad intel. So much for "it will be Booth."



Since you 'quoted' him, do you mind providing that actual quote?

I'm going to guess that it doesn't exist.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/4/2019 7:51:13 AM   
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The Task at Hand for Gersson Rosas and His Minnesota Timberwolves
By Dane Moore - May 2, 2019


https://zonecoverage.com/2019/featured/the-task-at-hand-for-gersson-rosas-and-his-minnesota-timberwolves/

I love these lines at the end of that article.

If Rosas deems Saunders is a demonstrably worse coach than, say, Dave Joerger, Rosas has to make a move.

If Rosas feels Jones or Rose pale in comparison at point guard, Rosas has to draft or sign a different guard and let Jones and Rose walk.

If Rosas believes Wiggins’ presence greatly hinders the progression of Towns, he has to canvas the league and pay the penance to move Wiggins immediately.

Let's hope Glen didn't hire Rosas with strings attached.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/4/2019 8:51:16 PM   
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The Task at Hand for Gersson Rosas and His Minnesota Timberwolves
By Dane Moore - May 2, 2019


https://zonecoverage.com/2019/featured/the-task-at-hand-for-gersson-rosas-and-his-minnesota-timberwolves/

I love these lines at the end of that article.

If Rosas deems Saunders is a demonstrably worse coach than, say, Dave Joerger, Rosas has to make a move.

If Rosas feels Jones or Rose pale in comparison at point guard, Rosas has to draft or sign a different guard and let Jones and Rose walk.

If Rosas believes Wiggins’ presence greatly hinders the progression of Towns, he has to canvas the league and pay the penance to move Wiggins immediately.

Let's hope Glen didn't hire Rosas with strings attached.

Rosas resign from Dallas because of strings. He is not going to leave the Rockets to have strings attached. He will communicate with the people involved, but the ultimate decision is his.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 10:28:53 AM   
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One-On-One with Gersson Rosas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6raDgz_grTk
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 11:51:34 AM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 12:04:52 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 12:15:24 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 12:37:46 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.


We have heard that Ryan is big on analytics, but we never saw anything in the teams performance under him to indicate that was how he was coaching. And it's not like took over for the last few weeks of the season. He had time to implement a change in focus. I saw a team that continued to rely on the most inefficient shot selection possible and one that was always late in its defensive rotations. Most Ryan supporters like him because he is Flip 2.0, not realizing what a lousy coach Flip was.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 1:05:46 PM   
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If every other team in the league suddenly needed a head coach for next season, none of them would hire Saunders.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 1:20:47 PM   
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If every other team in the league suddenly needed a head coach for next season, none of them would hire Saunders.


That's true.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 1:22:25 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.


We have heard that Ryan is big on analytics, but we never saw anything in the teams performance under him to indicate that was how he was coaching. And it's not like took over for the last few weeks of the season. He had time to implement a change in focus. I saw a team that continued to rely on the most inefficient shot selection possible and one that was always late in its defensive rotations. Most Ryan supporters like him because he is Flip 2.0, not realizing what a lousy coach Flip was.


Its all based on a company that he co-founded. It was incredibly rudimentary, where you'd input every shot players took during the game and the results of the shots. Its purpose was to figure out what shots and situations were good or bad for each player.

Its stuff that's completely tracked by the league and a million other sources these days.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 1:46:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.


We have heard that Ryan is big on analytics, but we never saw anything in the teams performance under him to indicate that was how he was coaching. And it's not like took over for the last few weeks of the season. He had time to implement a change in focus. I saw a team that continued to rely on the most inefficient shot selection possible and one that was always late in its defensive rotations. Most Ryan supporters like him because he is Flip 2.0, not realizing what a lousy coach Flip was.


Its all based on a company that he co-founded. It was incredibly rudimentary, where you'd input every shot players took during the game and the results of the shots. Its purpose was to figure out what shots and situations were good or bad for each player.

Its stuff that's completely tracked by the league and a million other sources these days.


Yep, there is enough to indicate that he is interested in the analytics side of things, but not enough to say he has a deep understanding of them or how to build a system around them. Nothing IMO that indicates "modern coach". Hopefully Rosas has the stones to tell Glen, "Look maybe some day, but he has a long way to go".

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 6:10:28 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.


We have heard that Ryan is big on analytics, but we never saw anything in the teams performance under him to indicate that was how he was coaching. And it's not like took over for the last few weeks of the season. He had time to implement a change in focus. I saw a team that continued to rely on the most inefficient shot selection possible and one that was always late in its defensive rotations. Most Ryan supporters like him because he is Flip 2.0, not realizing what a lousy coach Flip was.

With the way the roster was destroyed by injuries and the hangover from Thibs, I don't think anybody could have proven one way or other from the time he took over as coach to the end of the season. The only thing that was in common was the uniforms. The new POBO is not an analytical man either.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 6:23:21 PM   
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Rosas says he has not had a conversation with Ryan yet. Wants to be fair with him. Give him an opportunity to make his case. But hard questions will be asked, about things like philosophy and style of play.

My preference is, move on, bring in someone else. But if they do choose to retain Saunders, it's not a big disaster, as long as Rosas is not afraid to pull the trigger quickly if he doesn't like the way it's going.

Then at worst we've wasted another year, in a franchise that has seen little else. And personnel-wise this wasn't going to be an overnight fix anyway. Rosas doesn't have a lot of flexibility in first year.

And at best, Saunders may turn out to be a decent coach. We just don't know.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 6:48:26 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.


We have heard that Ryan is big on analytics, but we never saw anything in the teams performance under him to indicate that was how he was coaching. And it's not like took over for the last few weeks of the season. He had time to implement a change in focus. I saw a team that continued to rely on the most inefficient shot selection possible and one that was always late in its defensive rotations. Most Ryan supporters like him because he is Flip 2.0, not realizing what a lousy coach Flip was.

With the way the roster was destroyed by injuries and the hangover from Thibs, I don't think anybody could have proven one way or other from the time he took over as coach to the end of the season. The only thing that was in common was the uniforms. The new POBO is not an analytical man either.


There was plenty of time for Ryan to plan an offense that was geared more to creating layup opportunities and looks from 3. Rosa's is too an analytics guy. He was part of the brain trust that developed the 3 pt philosophy in Houston.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 7:22:28 PM   
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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.


Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.


We have heard that Ryan is big on analytics, but we never saw anything in the teams performance under him to indicate that was how he was coaching. And it's not like took over for the last few weeks of the season. He had time to implement a change in focus. I saw a team that continued to rely on the most inefficient shot selection possible and one that was always late in its defensive rotations. Most Ryan supporters like him because he is Flip 2.0, not realizing what a lousy coach Flip was.

With the way the roster was destroyed by injuries and the hangover from Thibs, I don't think anybody could have proven one way or other from the time he took over as coach to the end of the season. The only thing that was in common was the uniforms. The new POBO is not an analytical man either.


If the roster couldn't recover from Thibs in a full half season, then NONE of them are worth coming back.

Rosas does everything. Hell, he's the guy from the Rockets that speaks on analytical panels and at conferences.

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