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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 9:39:07 PM

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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.

Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.

Rosas said in his presser that the head coach position would get due diligence. I would at least hope that they conduct a search including Saunders even if they end up keeping him. If they don't to me it sends a bad message.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/6/2019 9:43:31 PM

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If we are going to replace Saunders IMO the first name that comes to mind is Joerger. Rosas uses the word alignment a lot. In many cases that can be replaced with harmony. Joerger while having some success also has demonstrated an abrasiveness. I think due to that Rosas would likely dismiss his candidacy.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/7/2019 7:19:04 AM

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I like how the Bucks play. Kind of spread the floor and let the big man create or score.

We have the big man now we need to purge the roster. If you can't shoot the 3 at a decent clip bye bye.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/7/2019 7:58:35 AM

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I like how the Bucks play. Kind of spread the floor and let the big man create or score.

We have the big man now we need to purge the roster. If you can't shoot the 3 at a decent clip bye bye.

That's pretty simplistic, but somewhat true. Man do I hate the 3 point shot.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/8/2019 6:13:35 AM

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The Startribune poll shows 66% currently favor keeping Ryan Saunders as the coach. Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa the sheople have spoken.

It's going to be the decision of POBO and not the fans. But, at the same time, The new POBO has to realize that Ryan has fan support and with good assistants, Saunders might become good. Saunders understands the modern game and is good with communications. A good shooting coach, conditioning coach and a good big man's coach would help out a ton.

Does he?

He's worked for Tubby Smith, Flip Saunders, Randy Wittman, Sam Mitchell and Thibs. Not a "modern" coach in the bunch.

And I didn't see anything from his offense or defense that suggested otherwise.

If we keep him, it sounds like Rosas might force him into the modern world, so that's kind of a positive.

Rosas said in his presser that the head coach position would get due diligence. I would at least hope that they conduct a search including Saunders even if they end up keeping him. If they don't to me it sends a bad message.

I would hope that Rosa does his due diligence on the head coach, and bring in Sanders and let him compete. I have no problem with Jouger being a head coach, but lots of coaches have abrasive personalities, that no longer work. He needs to get this done ASAP. Who from Houston decided to hire McHale as coach?

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/8/2019 3:35:23 PM

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I think yes.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 1:56:17 PM

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Couple of comments.

First, a need to acknowledge the fickleness of pro sports. I find it almost funny that Boston who almost all would have given A++ ratings for how to run an organization the last handful of years now is hitting a major set back if not more complete unraveling. Who can predict what and who will work and who won't?

Anyway, glad to hear some optimism with Rosa, Lord knows we have paid our dues as TWolves fans.

Finally, I too am disappointed in what the evolution of the 3 pt shot has done for the game. I would love to see it "fixed" or at least tweaked. Two possible solution would include widening the court a couple feet to make the corner 3s the same distance as other (and yes, unlikely due to loss of expensive seating). Second, remove the corner 3s by extending the arc till it hits the sidelines instead of shortening it in the corners. I think this would help.

And here's hoping the TWolves hit the 20 or 30% chance to move up for the first time in the lottery!!

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 1:58:20 PM

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I forgot, one other possible 3 pt solution -- make it worth 2.5 pts

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 2:22:07 PM

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I forgot, one other possible 3 pt solution -- make it worth 2.5 pts

Good idea.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 4:26:08 PM

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He might be losing muscle mass at this point. I swear there are pre-draft images where he has bigger guns...

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 4:28:59 PM

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He might be losing muscle mass at this point. I swear there are pre-draft images where he has bigger guns...

This is devolving into Mauer obsession territory.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 4:29:55 PM

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I forgot, one other possible 3 pt solution -- make it worth 2.5 pts

I like that one.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 4:31:40 PM

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He might be losing muscle mass at this point. I swear there are pre-draft images where he has bigger guns...

This is devolving into Mauer obsession territory.

I'd be thrilled to even get post-concussion Mauer level play out of Wiggins.

I guess I understand all the long 2s now.

He doesn’t have the arm strength to shoot 3s…

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 4:34:53 PM 1 votes

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Joe Mauer vs Andrew Wiggins:

Joe was legit great to start his career. Actually "earned" his big contract. Wigs has been awful since Day 1. "Failed upwards" into his big money.

Joe played in a sport with no real salary cap and where a huge bad contract didn't have to be crippling to a franchise. Wigs doesn't.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 10:33:49 PM

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Any pro athlete can build muscle mass by spending time at the gym, working with a trainer, etc. It takes a truly lackadaisical to be given a gigantic contract then phone it in for >80% of the games. That said, I think a change of scenery (in this case, Rosas fits the criteria) might turn Wiggins around. I won't hold my breath though...

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/9/2019 10:48:21 PM

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Any pro athlete can build muscle mass by spending time at the gym, working with a trainer, etc. It takes a truly lackadaisical to be given a gigantic contract then phone it in for >80% of the games. That said, I think a change of scenery (in this case, Rosas fits the criteria) might turn Wiggins around. I won't hold my breath though...

4 years in the league, unlimited access to great trainers, world class facilities and nutritionists, and he isn't any stronger than the 19 year old kid drafted by the Cavs.

He has a lot of problems as a player, but lack of strength is a major one on both ends of the floor.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/12/2019 3:15:24 PM

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In that picture he looks weak and frail. Like a crack addict or something.

At this point it's safe to say Wiggins doesn't take BB seriously.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/12/2019 4:44:04 PM

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Blazers looking good. Bring it home.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 11:06:38 AM

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The Strib reported that our new POBO has had sessions with Saunders over 3 days. Looks like more than an exit interview and a ton more than most coaching candidates receive. If Saunders does not get the job, its not like he wasn't given a fair chance to earn it. For the Wolves, I believe that the D League is going to be extremely import for the Wolves. Who knows.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 11:25:10 AM

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If Rosas gets convinced to retain Saunders, I guess I'm OK with it for now. Because he will no doubt have done due diligence and not have the coach thrust upon him like the Twins did.

Rosas seems like a smart guy so if the choice is Saunders so be it. Under one condition. Like I said earlier, as long as he has a short leash and isn't afraid to cut Saunders loose quickly if need be.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 12:08:09 PM

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The Strib reported that our new POBO has had sessions with Saunders over 3 days. Looks like more than an exit interview and a ton more than most coaching candidates receive. If Saunders does not get the job, its not like he wasn't given a fair chance to earn it. For the Wolves, I believe that the D League is going to be extremely import for the Wolves. Who knows.

I think the opposite. Supposedly he is expected to make a decision in 7-10 days and he hasn't scheduled interviews with other coaching candidates. I think its likely near a done deal.

And I think Rosas is probably OK with Ryan because he's going to be one of the more "moldable" candidates. Ryan doesn't have any kind of identity as a HC. He's never installed an offensive or defensive system. He's never been more than a 4th assistant before getting the interim job. So my guess is Rosas thinks he can push Ryan into being the type of coach he's looking for.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 12:28:11 PM

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The Strib reported that our new POBO has had sessions with Saunders over 3 days. Looks like more than an exit interview and a ton more than most coaching candidates receive. If Saunders does not get the job, its not like he wasn't given a fair chance to earn it. For the Wolves, I believe that the D League is going to be extremely import for the Wolves. Who knows.

I think the opposite. Supposedly he is expected to make a decision in 7-10 days and he hasn't scheduled interviews with other coaching candidates. I think its likely near a done deal.

And I think Rosas is probably OK with Ryan because he's going to be one of the more "moldable" candidates. Ryan doesn't have any kind of identity as a HC. He's never installed an offensive or defensive system. He's never been more than a 4th assistant before getting the interim job. So my guess is Rosas thinks he can push Ryan into being the type of coach he's looking for.

I think you're right, DL. My concern? I'm just not convinced Ryan is all that bright -- it's probably unfair, but I see and hear "kinda-dumb jock" far more than "smart/insightful coach." He's a great relationship guy, no doubt, but does he have the analytical chops to gain a consistent strategic advantage?

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 12:59:50 PM

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If Rosas gets convinced to retain Saunders, I guess I'm OK with it for now. Because he will no doubt have done due diligence and not have the coach thrust upon him like the Twins did.

Rosas seems like a smart guy so if the choice is Saunders so be it. Under one condition. Like I said earlier, as long as he has a short leash and isn't afraid to cut Saunders loose quickly if need be.

IMO if Saunders is retained it should be on an audition basis. Do coaching contracts have to be fully guaranteed or can we just guarantee this season while having him sign for 3 or four more years?

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 1:00:42 PM

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The Strib reported that our new POBO has had sessions with Saunders over 3 days. Looks like more than an exit interview and a ton more than most coaching candidates receive. If Saunders does not get the job, its not like he wasn't given a fair chance to earn it. For the Wolves, I believe that the D League is going to be extremely import for the Wolves. Who knows.

I think the opposite. Supposedly he is expected to make a decision in 7-10 days and he hasn't scheduled interviews with other coaching candidates. I think its likely near a done deal.

And I think Rosas is probably OK with Ryan because he's going to be one of the more "moldable" candidates. Ryan doesn't have any kind of identity as a HC. He's never installed an offensive or defensive system. He's never been more than a 4th assistant before getting the interim job. So my guess is Rosas thinks he can push Ryan into being the type of coach he's looking for.

I think you're right, DL. My concern? I'm just not convinced Ryan is all that bright -- it's probably unfair, but I see and hear "kinda-dumb jock" far more than "smart/insightful coach." He's a great relationship guy, no doubt, but does he have the analytical chops to gain a consistent strategic advantage?

I see a lot of that too. He's so much like his dad, but without the level of charisma that Flip could display.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 5/13/2019 1:10:38 PM

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The Strib reported that our new POBO has had sessions with Saunders over 3 days. Looks like more than an exit interview and a ton more than most coaching candidates receive. If Saunders does not get the job, its not like he wasn't given a fair chance to earn it. For the Wolves, I believe that the D League is going to be extremely import for the Wolves. Who knows.

I think the opposite. Supposedly he is expected to make a decision in 7-10 days and he hasn't scheduled interviews with other coaching candidates. I think its likely near a done deal.

And I think Rosas is probably OK with Ryan because he's going to be one of the more "moldable" candidates. Ryan doesn't have any kind of identity as a HC. He's never installed an offensive or defensive system. He's never been more than a 4th assistant before getting the interim job. So my guess is Rosas thinks he can push Ryan into being the type of coach he's looking for.

I think you're right, DL. My concern? I'm just not convinced Ryan is all that bright -- it's probably unfair, but I see and hear "kinda-dumb jock" far more than "smart/insightful coach." He's a great relationship guy, no doubt, but does he have the analytical chops to gain a consistent strategic advantage?

I see a lot of that too. He's so much like his dad, but without the level of charisma that Flip could display.

I did not know what the time frame is on the coach, but the sooner the better, all around. I am sure Saunders would take a one year deal. He never had to master being smooth. This team need to be taught the basics. While there has been flaws as head coaches, they pale in comparison to POBO.

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