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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 3:32:56 PM   
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JimPete blasts Thibs:

http://www.1500espn.com/raised-by-wolves-2/2019/01/jim-pete-thibs-whats-next-wolves-ep-149/


Good stuff. And Petersen is such a professional that you would never known from listening to the broadcasts that the coaches were under a gag order from Thibs to not talk to him. It would have been easy to say "OK you want to meet with the media, the media is going to mess with you." And launch an on air vendetta. But Petersen managed to still stay objective and fair.


I'm not sure I'd go that far...I figured something like this was exactly what was up as Petersen was uncharacteristically awful this year. Especially how he was always toeing the company line and refusing to criticize the Wolves for anything.

My guess is that there were significant threats from Thibs to the broadcast crew and the local media about losing access to the team if they didn't "play nice". Its pretty clear how everyone's (JimPete, Britt, JonK, Jace, etc) tone has shifted 180 degrees the past few days.


He did lose me a bit at the end when he said what a great team owner Glen Taylor is.


Well he is a homer, true. But as far as homers go, I'd say he's objective and not afraid to criticize. I've heard a lot worse from other teams' guys, who can be quite sickening.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 3:41:41 PM   
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JimPete blasts Thibs:

http://www.1500espn.com/raised-by-wolves-2/2019/01/jim-pete-thibs-whats-next-wolves-ep-149/


Good stuff. And Petersen is such a professional that you would never known from listening to the broadcasts that the coaches were under a gag order from Thibs to not talk to him. It would have been easy to say "OK you want to meet with the media, the media is going to mess with you." And launch an on air vendetta. But Petersen managed to still stay objective and fair.


I'm not sure I'd go that far...I figured something like this was exactly what was up as Petersen was uncharacteristically awful this year. Especially how he was always toeing the company line and refusing to criticize the Wolves for anything.

My guess is that there were significant threats from Thibs to the broadcast crew and the local media about losing access to the team if they didn't "play nice". Its pretty clear how everyone's (JimPete, Britt, JonK, Jace, etc) tone has shifted 180 degrees the past few days.


He did lose me a bit at the end when he said what a great team owner Glen Taylor is.


Well he is a homer, true. But as far as homers go, I'd say he's objective and not afraid to criticize. I've heard a lot worse from other teams' guys, who can be quite sickening.


I'd agree with that - up until this year. You could tell he was constantly biting his tongue, and if he did say something critical, he'd immediately backtrack. Like "Okogie absolutely needs to play more....but its really hard to play more than 9 players, so its understandable."

I've always been a huge fan of his, but more than a few times this year I had to switch to the opponents broadcast. Especially when he'd get on one of his ultra-pro Rose streaks.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 6:38:21 PM  1 votes
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JimPete blasts Thibs:

http://www.1500espn.com/raised-by-wolves-2/2019/01/jim-pete-thibs-whats-next-wolves-ep-149/


Good stuff. And Petersen is such a professional that you would never known from listening to the broadcasts that the coaches were under a gag order from Thibs to not talk to him. It would have been easy to say "OK you want to meet with the media, the media is going to mess with you." And launch an on air vendetta. But Petersen managed to still stay objective and fair.


I'm not sure I'd go that far...I figured something like this was exactly what was up as Petersen was uncharacteristically awful this year. Especially how he was always toeing the company line and refusing to criticize the Wolves for anything.

My guess is that there were significant threats from Thibs to the broadcast crew and the local media about losing access to the team if they didn't "play nice". Its pretty clear how everyone's (JimPete, Britt, JonK, Jace, etc) tone has shifted 180 degrees the past few days.


He did lose me a bit at the end when he said what a great team owner Glen Taylor is.


Well he is a homer, true. But as far as homers go, I'd say he's objective and not afraid to criticize. I've heard a lot worse from other teams' guys, who can be quite sickening.


I'd agree with that - up until this year. You could tell he was constantly biting his tongue, and if he did say something critical, he'd immediately backtrack. Like "Okogie absolutely needs to play more....but its really hard to play more than 9 players, so its understandable."

I've always been a huge fan of his, but more than a few times this year I had to switch to the opponents broadcast. Especially when he'd get on one of his ultra-pro Rose streaks.



I think he has become awful. He has always been way too reactionary on calls by the officials, and sometimes corrects himself, but this season there is almost no objectivity in his game. Turned into a company man.

Promoting Rose as an All-Star is bad enough. Calling him a "great defender on pick and rolls" and "a great person" is disgusting. This is unfortunate. He has a great deal of basketball knowledge. I think he's a complete sell out as a broadcaster.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 8:43:43 PM   
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Nice to see that Okogie is working out of that three slump.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 8:53:43 PM   
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How 'bout that, playing, and shooting with confidence.

Perhaps he's playing without the stress that comes with being afraid to make a mistake. Play ball young man.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 9:31:08 PM   
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Doncic is so polished. He can be whatever you need him to be. He's not even 20, is he? So patient. Not in love with scoring.
His (team) game is pretty amazing.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 9:46:26 PM   
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Other than Rose we got next to nothing from the bench tonight.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 10:46:14 PM   
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I have never seen such stupid play as I saw tonight. Get control of the ball on a steal. And if you have an open shot, take it. Saunders is 32 and in over his head. Taylor proves he is the dumbest wealthy owner in MN professional sports.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 10:55:14 PM   
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And for crying out loud, put a defender on Doncic that can stop his dribble. BB 101. Are the coaches and players that stupid.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 11:10:01 PM   
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I have never seen such stupid play as I saw tonight. Get control of the ball on a steal. And if you have an open shot, take it. Saunders is 32 and in over his head. Taylor proves he is the dumbest wealthy owner in MN professional sports.


I don't think Saunders is the answer, but he is so much better than Thibodeau.

Okogie took shots, almost like he wasn't afraid of being benched. Teauge remains the expert of not taking open looks. I am so sick of his wide open pump fake three.

This team has to cleanse themselves of Thibodeau. Open three, take it every time. Get back on D.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 11:32:04 PM   
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Other than Rose we got next to nothing from the bench tonight.


Saric was especially awful tonight.

Jim Petersen often talks about how much better Saric is than Bjelica. Maybe he's full of shit, again. Or maybe he'll come back around to appreciating Bjelica's game. No integrity.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/11/2019 11:34:37 PM   
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Don't get me wrong, I like Saric. Right now, Bjelica is a better basketball player and it's not even close.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 12:42:29 AM   
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Back to reality. We lost to one of the absolute worst road teams in the league.
Yesterday's overpaid hero regressed to his norm. Perhaps there should be more stories about him being a colossal under achiever, rather than hyping his infrequent good game.

Towns still hasn't figured out what a good foul is. He's too smart and too athletic to be getting in foul trouble. This needs to be fixed.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 10:19:07 AM   
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Sure seems like IF we could ever get everyone healthy and happy at the same time, we'd be a handful for damn-near anyone, no?



No.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 12:00:38 PM   
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Back to reality. We lost to one of the absolute worst road teams in the league.
Yesterday's overpaid hero regressed to his norm. Perhaps there should be more stories about him being a colossal under achiever, rather than hyping his infrequent good game.

Towns still hasn't figured out what a good foul is. He's too smart and too athletic to be getting in foul trouble. This needs to be fixed.


Saric and a late Okogie mistake cost us....Towns and Rose brought us back from the dead.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 7:31:40 PM   
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Jace Frederick:
In practice the other day, Ryan Saunders said the Wolves made long 2s worth NEGATIVE points in a scrimmage

That’s one way to teach shot selection
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 7:52:53 PM   
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A Deng sighting.

Towns Deng Okogie Teague Jones. How’s that for a lineup. And they’re getting it done.

Edit: Now Wiggins for Jones. Still getting it done.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 9:08:04 PM   
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Towns is a monster.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 9:52:47 PM   
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Towns was the difference tonight.
Just WOW!!

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/12/2019 10:23:06 PM   
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KLove numbers
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/13/2019 12:11:51 AM   
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Yes Towns obviously with monster game. But second star tonight goes to Jones. Very solid game.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/13/2019 8:51:59 AM   
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Yes Towns obviously with monster game. But second star tonight goes to Jones. Very solid game.

Towns has been the best player in the NBA statistically over the last couple weeks. If we hadn't shit the bed against Dallas we would have a five game winning streak.

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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/13/2019 11:48:31 AM   
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Since Dec 8th Wolves are

With Derrick Rose: 2-8
Without Derrick Rose: 6-2

6-0 when Okogie gets at least 30 minutes.

I think there may be a connection there...
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/13/2019 1:10:34 PM   
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Sure seems like IF we could ever get everyone healthy and happy at the same time, we'd be a handful for damn-near anyone, no?



No.



Ahem, the answer changes to a yes if KAT goes for 27/27 against anyone, especially the likes of Davis.
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RE: Wolves 2018 Game Day - 1/14/2019 9:35:25 AM   
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Here’s Ryan Saunders’ innovative approach to improving Timberwolves’ shot selection

By JACE FREDERICK | jfrederick@pioneerpress.com | Pioneer Press

A Timberwolves scrimmage last week featured a few small twists.

Corner 3-pointers and drives into the slot were worth bonus points. Long 2-point attempts and turnovers deducted points.

The latter is interim coach Ryan Saunders’ innovative attempt to improve Minnesota’s shot selection.

Analytics have showed the long 2-point shot is the least efficient shot in basketball. Yet the Wolves have continued to fire them frequently in recent seasons.

Last season, they were fourth in the NBA in field-goal attempts taken from 16 to 24 feet out, taking 12.9 such attempts per game. That number has dropped to 10.6 this season, still good for seventh most in the league. For reference, the analytically advanced Houston Rockets average two such attempts per game.


Still, there are many ways to score, and a team has to play to its strengths. Except long 2-point shots are not Minnesota’s strength. The Wolves are shooting 35.2 percent from the field on those attempts this season, 28th best out of 30 teams.

Threes, free-throws and dunks/layups are the most efficient shots in basketball, and while the Wolves are making progress from deep — instead of living in the cellar, as they have for most of the past few years, Minnesota is 21st in 3-point makes (10.2) and 23rd in attempts (28.7) — there’s still plenty of room for improvement.

Last week’s scrimmage rules were Saunders’ attempt to foster a philosophical shift in shot selection.

“We’re trying to do some things to acclimate guys to that mind-set within game situations,” Saunders said.

Wolves forward Anthony Tolliver liked his coach’s creativity. He can’t recall having a scrimmage with that many different rules and ways to score.

“It’s different, switching it up, so it’s good,” guard Tyus Jones said. “Whenever you’re doing new things it’s good. We’re going with it and making the most of it.”

Tolliver said it’s a good way to place an added focus on areas of intended improvement. Will it work? Well, the Wolves did attempt 39 3-pointers in Saturday’s win over the Pelicans, their fifth-highest total of the season.

“It was the first time we’ve done it, so it wasn’t like habits were broke in one practice,” Tolliver said. “But just moving forward, having those types of mind-sets, I think that it’ll definitely be effective.”

And, just to be clear, even with the negative points, the scrimmage finished with positive scores, correct?

“Yes, final scores, they were positive,” Tolliver said. “There was a lot of ups and downs, though.”


The bolded part sums the Wolves up nicely. They shoot the 7th most long range 2's in the league, yet they are 28th in shooting percentage from that distance. They are terribly inefficient at the most inefficient shot, yet they continue to take it. What Ryan is doing is at least encouraging. A lot of us have been complaining about the Wolves reliance on 18 - 20 foot / 2 pointers going back to Flip. Like I said before, Ryan is supposed to be big on analytics. He knows the numbers show the Wolves offensive game has relied on the least effective approach and he taking steps to fix it. I'm still exceedingly skeptical of the young man as a head coach, but I give him kudos for this.

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