ORIGINAL: Dana Turner
ORIGINAL: Dana Turner
ORIGINAL: Dana Turner
I believe the Vikings will probably trade out of the 18th spot, maybe get a high second and take the TE out of Iowa, not the Fant kid, but the Hockenson kid.
I'm hoping that the Vikings get either Matt Paradis or maybe Mitch Morris to come play center for us in Free Agency. Elf needs a solid year in a strength program and he needs to be moved to guard. He'd be perfect for a zone blocking guard, but he must get a lot stronger to be an effective pass blocker at any position.
If we have two second rounders and take the aforementioned TE with the first one, we get the best OL guy left that fits the scheme we are going for in 2019. With Kubiak and those guys helping the offense, I am thinking it will be a zone type running scheme, which only makes sense with Cook back there.
With the third round pick you probably go LB then in the fourth you get the best available OL guy again and let them fight it out in camp. The Vikings might get lucky and get a healthy Nick Easton back, you never know. If so, there would be a pretty solid group fighting it out for starting positions. Rief isn't going anywhere, Remmers will be gone, give his money to whichever Center we can get, that leaves Easton, Elf and a couple of drafted guys for the two guard spots.
Draft a shifty small school receiver later in the to fight for the third WR spot, pick up a QB and another LB late and get to camp.
I'd sign Richardson, Harris, and let Griff renegotiate. Say goodbye to Rudy, Sendejo, Barr and Waynes or Rhodes (trade him if you are going to stay with Waynes)
I give Zim one last chance to prove he is more than just a solid defensive mind. Personally, I don't think he's a good head coach, but I'm willing to give him one more year, especially with the coaching staff he has assembled now. If the Vikings can become a team with fire and attitude that you expect from a team with such a great history, then fine, but if they are the flat teams that Zimmer has been sending out to start games the past couple of years, get rid of his ass and get someone in there while we still have time with the core we have.
Dana, I'm assuming we've still got a late 1st round or early 2nd round pick you're not accounting for in your scenario?
Yep, in the first sentence I say that if we can trade our 18th and get a high second I would take the TE, Hockenson. Not sure what else would come with the trade, but it would be later in the draft, probably a fourth, maybe a third, not sure. But with our second rounder, #50 I believe, I'd take the best OL guy suited for our run scheme projection. So, two second round picks and whatever else Rick gets.
Our 1st (18th overall) would net us the 1st AND the 26th picks in the 2nd round. Or the 1st pick in the 2nd round and the 1st 3 picks in the 4th round. I think what you suggested significantly shorts our draft capital.
Thanks big, I really should probably invest some time in understanding draft pick value before i post, but I was really just thinking that we could get an early second and some other draft stock for our 18th pick, then draft a player we need, like Hockenson, but really, it's so early and probably depends on our FA strategy. I know that I would like to get at least three OL guys in this draft, preferably one in the second, one in the fourth and one in the sixth or seventh, along with one solid FA.
I don't see Compton as a guy we need to bring back, Remmers too. I had hopes for Issy, and maybe with new coaching he could develop, so keep him while he's cheap, that's fine. If we are going to run a zone type run scheme, we need a little more athletic type guys on the line, Compton or Remmers aren't in that mold. Easton cold fit if he's 100%, Elf is certainly that type along with ONeal. Rief is good where he is, so really just bring in a few guys and shake it out. Draft the guys for our scheme and get to camp.
The thing about this draft is that if you look at Mock drafts and rankings of players, it's all over the place. I've seen this Hockenson kid rated in the 20's all the way to 90's in some peoples top 100 list and that's just one example. I think what it says is that this will be a draft that teams will really need to understand what they are looking for and that value will had all over the place. I think the Vikings do well in drafts, All teams get hits and misses, but we seem to find a lot of good players each year to restock the shelves.
We have a good roster and some really good talent, we just need better preparation and coaching, that's the bottom line. 8-7-1 should have never happened last year, there are more than one coaching staff in the league that would have done better with our roster. Obviously that is just an opinion, but it's mine.
Every year there are these "blue chippers" who are surefire first half of the first round selections and then after that there are often a larger group of players who are just a tad lower in their grade. There is no doubt that there will be players who are expected to go in the first round who will be there still in the second round. I do think that one of the challenges of the drafting is selecting the players where they should go, or to even select them where they are a tremendous value. I especially like it if we can trade down a few spots and "get the player that we wanted anyway". That does get pretty tricky, but it can be pulled off if there are other options to go and a little bit of flexibility as the process unfolds.
< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 1/29/2019 8:29:52 AM >
I do think it is wonderful that football can bring people together from different persuasions. We need more of that and less of what divides us.