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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:23:47 AM   
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Holy shit, Brandon Clarke...

Impressively logged as many blocks as missed shots during the regular season at Gonzaga.


He looks like a nice player, but from what I am reading in The Ringer, he doesn't sound like an ideal fit with KAT.

From The Ringer:

Unless he develops a spot-up 3, he’ll need to play like a center on offense, which could create matchup issues for his team.
Ideal role is small-ball 5, but a lack of length and strength will hinder his ability to defend larger elite bigs like Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns.



If only KAT could shoot to compensate for it...
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:24:42 AM   
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Vecenie (The Athletic):

11. Minnesota Timberwolves — Sekou Doumbouya

6-9 forward, 18 years old, Limoges (France)

Out of the international class, the multi-dimensional 6-foot-9 18-year-old originally from Guinea certainly looks to hold the most long-term value. Doumbouya had a tough start to the season, struggling to adjust to high-level pro basketball in France in the first three months of his season. He posted an extremely poor 0.57 assist to turnover ratio, while hitting just 25 percent in limited attempts from 3. Defensively, he was fouling more than six times per 40 minutes. Basically, he looked like a 17-year-old playing professional basketball for the first time. But then, in a trio of games around Christmas, it looked like the French international had turned a corner, scoring 12 points in each and looking much more comfortable. Unfortunately, Doumbouya suffered a thumb injury in a league game against Boulazac and required surgery to repair a ligament and missed just over a month of action. And after a few games of action to get himself back into game shape, Doumbouya has been much better over the last month and a half. In his last eight games, Doumbouya has seen his points per minute increase, his 3-point shooting volume and efficiency has increased, and generally he just looks much more comfortable with the speed of the game.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:37:53 AM   
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Jonathon Givony:

11. Minnesota Timberwolves

Brandon Clarke, Gonzaga, Age: 22.5, F

Height: 6-foot-8 | Weight: 210

Clarke's versatility as a rim-protecting and pick-and-roll-switching lob-catcher is intriguing here. He will turn 23 prior to his first NBA game and should be ready to step in and help right away.

While the Wolves might be tempted to reach for a point guard here, they could also use a versatile big man like Clarke to pair alongside Karl-Anthony Towns. Clarke's defensive versatility, pick-and-roll finishing prowess and budding shooting ability make him a strong match for the existing pieces on the roster.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:37:54 AM   
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I guess all that talk yesterday about the Wolves getting the 1st pick was pointless.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:38:40 AM   
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Givony has Sekou going #9 to the Bullets.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:42:31 AM   
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Holy shit, Brandon Clarke...

Impressively logged as many blocks as missed shots during the regular season at Gonzaga.


He looks like a nice player, but from what I am reading in The Ringer, he doesn't sound like an ideal fit with KAT.

From The Ringer:

Unless he develops a spot-up 3, he’ll need to play like a center on offense, which could create matchup issues for his team.
Ideal role is small-ball 5, but a lack of length and strength will hinder his ability to defend larger elite bigs like Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns.



If only KAT could shoot to compensate for it...


KAT can certainly shoot from anywhere, but I don't like the idea of pulling him away from the post as much as this might require.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:43:56 AM   
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I guess all that talk yesterday about the Wolves getting the 1st pick was pointless.


About as pointless as what you passed off for logic during the discussion.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:46:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Holy shit, Brandon Clarke...

Impressively logged as many blocks as missed shots during the regular season at Gonzaga.


He looks like a nice player, but from what I am reading in The Ringer, he doesn't sound like an ideal fit with KAT.

From The Ringer:

Unless he develops a spot-up 3, he’ll need to play like a center on offense, which could create matchup issues for his team.
Ideal role is small-ball 5, but a lack of length and strength will hinder his ability to defend larger elite bigs like Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns.



If only KAT could shoot to compensate for it...

And if he joins the Wolves he won't have to defend KAT. Devil's advocate though just because KAT can shoot the three very well doesn't mean we should have the PF clogging the lane.
That said Clarke is likely to be the best realistically available player at pick 11. DL won't respond to my comment, but I wonder why he's so convinced Clarke will be gone. Latest word I'm hearing is Clarke might slide to 15-20 range.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:48:26 AM   
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11. Minnesota Timberwolves — Sekou Doumbouya

6-9 forward, 18 years old, Limoges (France)

Out of the international class, the multi-dimensional 6-foot-9 18-year-old originally from Guinea certainly looks to hold the most long-term value. Doumbouya had a tough start to the season, struggling to adjust to high-level pro basketball in France in the first three months of his season. He posted an extremely poor 0.57 assist to turnover ratio, while hitting just 25 percent in limited attempts from 3. Defensively, he was fouling more than six times per 40 minutes. Basically, he looked like a 17-year-old playing professional basketball for the first time. But then, in a trio of games around Christmas, it looked like the French international had turned a corner, scoring 12 points in each and looking much more comfortable. Unfortunately, Doumbouya suffered a thumb injury in a league game against Boulazac and required surgery to repair a ligament and missed just over a month of action. And after a few games of action to get himself back into game shape, Doumbouya has been much better over the last month and a half. In his last eight games, Doumbouya has seen his points per minute increase, his 3-point shooting volume and efficiency has increased, and generally he just looks much more comfortable with the speed of the game.

He's young and physically gifted, but he doesn't play basketball very well. He might learn, but IMO the risk outweighs the reward.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 10:51:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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Holy shit, Brandon Clarke...

Impressively logged as many blocks as missed shots during the regular season at Gonzaga.


He looks like a nice player, but from what I am reading in The Ringer, he doesn't sound like an ideal fit with KAT.

From The Ringer:

Unless he develops a spot-up 3, he’ll need to play like a center on offense, which could create matchup issues for his team.
Ideal role is small-ball 5, but a lack of length and strength will hinder his ability to defend larger elite bigs like Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns.



If only KAT could shoot to compensate for it...


KAT can certainly shoot from anywhere, but I don't like the idea of pulling him away from the post as much as this might require.

That's a fair assessment, however IMO what Clarke does bring to the team makes up for it. Also he has proven amazingly coachable and was able to completely rebuild his shot. I think he might be one of those players who can learn the three and do it adequately even at 23.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 11:01:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Holy shit, Brandon Clarke...

Impressively logged as many blocks as missed shots during the regular season at Gonzaga.


He looks like a nice player, but from what I am reading in The Ringer, he doesn't sound like an ideal fit with KAT.

From The Ringer:

Unless he develops a spot-up 3, he’ll need to play like a center on offense, which could create matchup issues for his team.
Ideal role is small-ball 5, but a lack of length and strength will hinder his ability to defend larger elite bigs like Joel Embiid and Karl-Anthony Towns.



If only KAT could shoot to compensate for it...


KAT can certainly shoot from anywhere, but I don't like the idea of pulling him away from the post as much as this might require.


I think it works because KAT is so versatile on offense and Clarke is so versatile in defense. And while Clarke isn't much of a 3pt threat, he's a ridiculously good finisher and has a solid handle and passing chops for a PF. I think there is a lot of Shawn Marion in his game.

If Rosas wants us playing faster and scoring more from 3 and inside, I think he can give us what Capela gave the Rockets on offense, but with a lot more offensive upside.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 11:01:17 AM   
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The other concern I have about Clarke is that he almost 23. There are certainly exceptions, but the numbers show that players at his age pan out less often than the younger players.

Let me be clear ... NONE OF MY CONCERNS ARE MEANT TO BE TAKEN AS DISQUALIFIERS ... they are concerns, none the less. I also believe the Wolves are in a position where they have to take the best player and figure it out after. If that best player is Clarke then so be it.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 11:02:29 AM   
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I think if Doumbouya is there at 11, he's a guy Rosas would strongly consider based on his lengthy track record.

I don't think he would've even been on the previous regime's radar.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 11:03:21 AM   
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The other concern I have about Clarke is that he almost 23. There are certainly exceptions, but the numbers show that players at his age pan out less often than the younger players.

Let me be clear ... NONE OF MY CONCERNS ARE MEANT TO BE TAKEN AS DISQUALIFIERS ... they are concerns, none the less. I also believe the Wolves are in a position where they have to take the best player and figure it out after. If that best player is Clarke then so be it.


Less likely to be stars, more likely to be productive players.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 11:17:00 AM   
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The other concern I have about Clarke is that he almost 23. There are certainly exceptions, but the numbers show that players at his age pan out less often than the younger players.

Let me be clear ... NONE OF MY CONCERNS ARE MEANT TO BE TAKEN AS DISQUALIFIERS ... they are concerns, none the less. I also believe the Wolves are in a position where they have to take the best player and figure it out after. If that best player is Clarke then so be it.


Less likely to be stars, more likely to be productive players.


Like I said, I don't consider my concerns to be disqualifiers. If Clarke is the best player on the board, so be it. The bottom line is that every draft there is at least one player on the board at 11 who can really help a team. I hope Rosas is the POBO who recognizes and drafts that guy. If it's Clarke ... great. If there is somebody better, I hope he takes that guy.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 1:41:58 PM   
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This is...not great...

(Although it increases the odds of him falling to us)

Jonathan Givony✔@DraftExpress
Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 1:42:45 PM   
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He's probably gone before my pick, but I think Sekou might be my #1 option of realistic targets.

I love Clarke (but the measurements DO hurt). I really like NAW. I think both top out as very good roleplayers. NAW probably tops out as Malcolm Brogdon, *maybe* Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Clarke could be a star if his broken shot really gets fixed - but that's a big IF.

Sekou is a gamble. He could bust, but IMO, he has the most potential to be a star of anyone we could get at 11.

< Message edited by David Levine -- 5/15/2019 2:04:24 PM >
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 1:44:27 PM   
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Top players chosen at #11 in pts/game

Kiki Vandeweghe
Klay Thompson
Reggie Miller
Jamaal Wilkes
Alan Houston

Not a bad list. Of course Cole Aldrich was also a #11 so...

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 1:49:45 PM   
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Clarke got really small for a 4/5 all of a sudden.

Cam Reddish, by contrast, just measured the same height, but with a 7 foot wingspan and an 8’9" standing reach.
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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 1:50:56 PM   
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This is...not great...

(Although it increases the odds of him falling to us)

Jonathan Givony✔@DraftExpress
Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat.


That is bad. 4.9% body fat? What a lard ass.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 1:59:11 PM   
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Clarke’s 6’8” wingspan may be the most disappointing measurement I have ever seen.

He was an interesting sleeper as an efficient defensive specialist, but now it’s not even clear he belongs in the lottery.


And its not just the wingspan. Are the height and weight problematic for a guy who is going to be a 4/5?

207 at age 19 would be one thing, but at 23 is there much room for more mass?

And with his shooting still being theoretical, I think I’m fully on Sekou Island now – with NAW as my fallback if he’s gone before 11.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 2:15:03 PM   
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Dean Demakis@deanondraft
Clarke’s 6’8” wingspan may be the most disappointing measurement I have ever seen.

He was an interesting sleeper as an efficient defensive specialist, but now it’s not even clear he belongs in the lottery.


And its not just the wingspan. Are the height and weight problematic for a guy who is going to be a 4/5?

207 at age 19 would be one thing, but at 23 is there much room for more mass?

And with his shooting still being theoretical, I think I’m fully on Sekou Island now – with NAW as my fallback if he’s gone before 11.


Is Sekou Island in the Marianas?

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 3:20:19 PM   
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This is...not great...

(Although it increases the odds of him falling to us)

Jonathan Givony✔@DraftExpress
Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat.

Turned out shorter and lighter with less wingspan than expected. I still like him, but those numbers make me a little less inclined to take him. Trade down time. Go Wolves.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 3:44:02 PM   
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Zion Williamson measurements. 6'5" 290 is what I saw posted. I couldn't confirm it with a google search. Isn't that a couple inches shorter than expected? Maybe that's barefoot.

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RE: 2019 NBA Draft - 5/15/2019 3:54:43 PM   
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Zion Williamson measurements. 6'5" 290 is what I saw posted. I couldn't confirm it with a google search. Isn't that a couple inches shorter than expected? Maybe that's barefoot.


I thought he was at least 6'6. But that doesn't surprise me looking at him He's very compact.

And that doesn't worry me a bit. People worried about what 'number' he'll play in the NBA don't get it. He'll just be a great basketball player, period. No need to pigeonhole him.

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