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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/13/2019 9:26:17 AM   
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If you had to have a team of players that are all the same height, is 6'7" the height you would choose?

Nobody answered this question. I think it's an interesting one.



6’7” or maybe 6’8” or even 6’6”


A Jordan team at 6’6” would win some games.

A Wes Johnson team at 6"6" would be a different story.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/14/2019 10:40:08 PM   
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We all know the Wolves need help with outside shooting.

https://twitter.com/leah_church3/status/1160360633868652545?s=19

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/20/2019 8:29:03 AM   
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Ouch
Reading one of those "Top 25" stories this morning
As in Top 25 most-overrated NBA players
Teague at 12
Towns at 9
Wiggins at 1

Lavine and Butler made the list too.
Wow.
That's about all I got. Wow.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/20/2019 8:33:12 AM   
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Ouch
Reading one of those "Top 25" stories this morning
As in Top 25 most-overrated NBA players
Teague at 12
Towns at 9
Wiggins at 1

Lavine and Butler made the list too.
Wow.
That's about all I got. Wow.


I get that there are those who think Towns has been given credit for things not yet achieved, but #9 most overrated NBA player? That's just effin ridiculous. Even Wiggins at #1 is ridiculous. There are very few out there who think he is worth anything at this point.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/20/2019 8:44:45 AM   
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Yeah, I didn't necessarily agree, but its just one of those things that makes you go … damn, maybe we really are the old ClipShow.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/20/2019 8:52:37 AM   
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Yeah, I didn't necessarily agree, but its just one of those things that makes you go … damn, maybe we really are the old ClipShow.


I know. The real problem is that we have a few of the most overpaid players in the NBA. That's where you can make a strong case for Wiggens as #1. This is a problem that needs to be fixed. The Woves wasted the KG era by constantly surrounding him with grossly overpaid mediocrity.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/20/2019 11:07:22 AM   
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Yeah, I didn't necessarily agree, but its just one of those things that makes you go … damn, maybe we really are the old ClipShow.


I know. The real problem is that we have a few of the most overpaid players in the NBA. That's where you can make a strong case for Wiggens as #1. This is a problem that needs to be fixed. The Woves wasted the KG era by constantly surrounding him with grossly overpaid mediocrity.


Same with Teague. I don't see how he should be on an overrated list because does anyone really rate him that highly any more? His name is never even remotely mentioned in any discussion of top point guards.

Overpaid, but not overrated.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/23/2019 11:24:03 AM   
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Looking back at the Kevin Love trade five years later

https://www.skornorth.com/wolves-2/2019/08/looking-back-at-the-kevin-love-trade-five-years-later/

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/23/2019 12:43:15 PM   
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It was a bad trade the day we made it, and its managed to get worse over time.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/23/2019 4:05:54 PM   
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It was a bad trade the day we made it, and its managed to get worse over time.

We should have kept Thad Young. I never understood dumping him. He is a quite good player. We could have done better with the picks.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/25/2019 4:35:31 PM   
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Yeah, I didn't necessarily agree, but its just one of those things that makes you go … damn, maybe we really are the old ClipShow.


I know. The real problem is that we have a few of the most overpaid players in the NBA. That's where you can make a strong case for Wiggens as #1. This is a problem that needs to be fixed. The Woves wasted the KG era by constantly surrounding him with grossly overpaid mediocrity.


Same with Teague. I don't see how he should be on an overrated list because does anyone really rate him that highly any more? His name is never even remotely mentioned in any discussion of top point guards.

Overpaid, but not overrated.



Wiggins, definitely #1 overpaid. Which in a singular way translates to overrated. Probably add in being the #1 overall. Who knows, he is crap.

KAT though has no business being on that list.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 9:17:49 AM   
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Yeah, I didn't necessarily agree, but its just one of those things that makes you go … damn, maybe we really are the old ClipShow.


I know. The real problem is that we have a few of the most overpaid players in the NBA. That's where you can make a strong case for Wiggens as #1. This is a problem that needs to be fixed. The Woves wasted the KG era by constantly surrounding him with grossly overpaid mediocrity.


Same with Teague. I don't see how he should be on an overrated list because does anyone really rate him that highly any more? His name is never even remotely mentioned in any discussion of top point guards.

Overpaid, but not overrated.



Wiggins, definitely #1 overpaid. Which in a singular way translates to overrated. Probably add in being the #1 overall. Who knows, he is crap.

KAT though has no business being on that list.

Wiggins is over paid, he was over paid the day he was signed. The only choice is to make him a better player so he can be moved at the deadline and this is doubtful. If KAT had plays run for him and a decent point guard who can get the rock up court, he'd average 40 a night.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 2:53:51 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 2:58:30 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

Britt thinks it's possible to move Wiggins because there are still NBA organizations that are skeptical toward analytics and still very much in favor of the eye test. That's not to say Rosas could go out and fleece somebody, but he is moveable.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:00:13 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

Britt thinks it's possible to move Wiggins because there are still NBA organizations that are skeptical toward analytics and still very much in favor of the eye test. That's not to say Rosas could go out and fleece somebody, but he is moveable.


And it would be awesome.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:18:39 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

Britt thinks it's possible to move Wiggins because there are still NBA organizations that are skeptical toward analytics and still very much in favor of the eye test. That's not to say Rosas could go out and fleece somebody, but he is moveable.


Britt also has thought Wiggins was salvageable up until last season - if not longer...
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:24:50 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

Britt thinks it's possible to move Wiggins because there are still NBA organizations that are skeptical toward analytics and still very much in favor of the eye test. That's not to say Rosas could go out and fleece somebody, but he is moveable.


Britt also has thought Wiggins was salvageable up until last season - if not longer...

Britt has no delusions about what the Wolves could get out of the deal. He said in order to get something worthwhile, that Rosas would have to bring back a bad (even if less less bad) contract and or someone's else's problem child and or have to include a first round pick. Sounds like getting out from under the burdon of Wiggins would be a multi step process.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:32:45 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

Britt thinks it's possible to move Wiggins because there are still NBA organizations that are skeptical toward analytics and still very much in favor of the eye test. That's not to say Rosas could go out and fleece somebody, but he is moveable.


Britt also has thought Wiggins was salvageable up until last season - if not longer...

Britt has no delusions about what the Wolves could get out of the deal. He said in order to get something worthwhile, that Rosas would have to bring back a bad (even if less less bad) contract and or someone's else's problem child and or have to include a first round pick. Sounds like getting out from under the burdon of Wiggins would be a multi step process.


Sure. We've seen that ANY contract in the NBA is movable if you're willing to eat enough garbage.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:45:52 PM   
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My hope is to get Wiggins just productive enough and tantalizing enough that some desperate team will think they can get even more out of him and take him off our hands. He's untradeable now.

Even this is probably not possible, but I still have hope they can create just the right nurturing environment for him to get it done. You may say I'm a dreamer...

Britt thinks it's possible to move Wiggins because there are still NBA organizations that are skeptical toward analytics and still very much in favor of the eye test. That's not to say Rosas could go out and fleece somebody, but he is moveable.


Britt also has thought Wiggins was salvageable up until last season - if not longer...

Britt has no delusions about what the Wolves could get out of the deal. He said in order to get something worthwhile, that Rosas would have to bring back a bad (even if less less bad) contract and or someone's else's problem child and or have to include a first round pick. Sounds like getting out from under the burdon of Wiggins would be a multi step process.


Sure. We've seen that ANY contract in the NBA is movable if you're willing to eat enough garbage.

Yep. The earliest Wiggins will reasonably be out of here is when there is only a year or two left on his contract.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:49:39 PM   
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I mean we could probably trade him for John Wall right now.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 3:51:00 PM   
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I mean we could probably trade him for John Wall right now.

That might actually be a deal where both teams lose.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 4:24:31 PM   
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I mean we could probably trade him for John Wall right now.

That might actually be a deal where both teams lose.


Wow...Wall makes 14-15 million more than Wiggins. Would have to include Dieng in that deal.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/26/2019 4:25:13 PM   
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I mean we could probably trade him for John Wall right now.

That might actually be a deal where both teams lose.


Wow...Wall makes 14-15 million more than Wiggins. Would have to include Dieng in that deal.

Like I said, ... lose / lose.

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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/27/2019 7:12:58 AM   
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I mean we could probably trade him for John Wall right now.

That might actually be a deal where both teams lose.


Wow...Wall makes 14-15 million more than Wiggins. Would have to include Dieng in that deal.

Like I said, ... lose / lose.

There is no point in trading Wiggins now. Lose/lose is not going to help you win, ever.
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RE: 2019 Wolves offseason - 8/27/2019 1:46:20 PM   
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I mean we could probably trade him for John Wall right now.

That might actually be a deal where both teams lose.


Wow...Wall makes 14-15 million more than Wiggins. Would have to include Dieng in that deal.

Like I said, ... lose / lose.

There is no point in trading Wiggins now. Lose/lose is not going to help you win, ever.


Correct. You keep him for at least this year and try to make something of him. No other option really.

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