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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/17/2020 11:19:13 PM   
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Rookie tight ends don't usually do too much. Hopefully Irv Smith will pick up his game to another level next season. We can see with the Niners what a dynamic tight end can mean. Still, I would assume the Vikings will keep fishing for a young wide receiver. Perhaps one can be had via free agency. I don't know.

With our lead footed quarterback I would prioritise the offensive line again, though.



We don't care too much about WR's.

We care about RB's and CB's. I would have been much happier to learn that we brought in Dez Bryant, instead of Newman. Not that I think either of them could make a difference, but just that we understand what we need.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 12:41:12 AM   
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Home opponents

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Dallas Cowboys
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans

Road opponents

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New Orleans Saints
Seattle Seahawks
Indianapolis Colts
Houston Texans
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 2:58:21 AM   
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Home opponents

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Dallas Cowboys
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans

Road opponents

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New Orleans Saints
Seattle Seahawks
Indianapolis Colts
Houston Texans



Tough road schedule again, seems like we have gone to Seattle the past ten years in a row. Id like our chances much better if it were flip-flopped!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 8:18:27 AM   
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Home opponents

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Dallas Cowboys
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans

Road opponents

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New Orleans Saints
Seattle Seahawks
Indianapolis Colts
Houston Texans



Tough road schedule again, seems like we have gone to Seattle the past ten years in a row. Id like our chances much better if it were flip-flopped!


I just want to go there and beat them at their place. We owe them that. I used to live in Seattle and I feel that way.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 3:21:25 PM   
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By completion percentage, Kirk Cousins in the 2nd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL. Only Drew Brees is higher.

And before you say, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE CHECKS DOWN.." ..

His yards-per-attempt in his career is *higher* than Brees.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

Dynamic running and passing quarterbacks seem to be the trend though. Cousins has incredible strengths, but also incredible weaknesses. If we are going to keep him we have to fortify the offensive line more.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 4:09:56 PM   
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Rookie tight ends don't usually do too much. Hopefully Irv Smith will pick up his game to another level next season. We can see with the Niners what a dynamic tight end can mean. Still, I would assume the Vikings will keep fishing for a young wide receiver. Perhaps one can be had via free agency. I don't know.

With our lead footed quarterback I would prioritise the offensive line again, though.


The only way Irv will see significant time on the field will be if Rudolph gets hurt or retires and even then we’ll have to pray they don’t bring jimmy kleinsasser out of retirement. Then, and only then, will we get to see what we have. Hopefully this happens soon enough that we don’t end up with another Anthony Harris situation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 4:49:14 PM   
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By completion percentage, Kirk Cousins in the 2nd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL. Only Drew Brees is higher.

And before you say, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE CHECKS DOWN.." ..

His yards-per-attempt in his career is *higher* than Brees.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

Dynamic running and passing quarterbacks seem to be the trend though. Cousins has incredible strengths, but also incredible weaknesses. If we are going to keep him we have to fortify the offensive line more.

Massaged stats mean absolutely nothing if you continually fail to win... Stats for most comebacks, clutch plays on 3rd downs, game winning drives, being a leader and willing you team to win on your strengths, NOPE

Being a statue, holding the ball the longest, having most time to throw, making your OL look far worse than it really is... CHECK

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 5:29:43 PM   
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Rookie tight ends don't usually do too much. Hopefully Irv Smith will pick up his game to another level next season. We can see with the Niners what a dynamic tight end can mean. Still, I would assume the Vikings will keep fishing for a young wide receiver. Perhaps one can be had via free agency. I don't know.

With our lead footed quarterback I would prioritise the offensive line again, though.


The only way Irv will see significant time on the field will be if Rudolph gets hurt or retires and even then we’ll have to pray they don’t bring jimmy kleinsasser out of retirement. Then, and only then, will we get to see what we have. Hopefully this happens soon enough that we don’t end up with another Anthony Harris situation.

Smith and Rudolph had the same number of targets.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 5:46:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

By completion percentage, Kirk Cousins in the 2nd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL. Only Drew Brees is higher.

And before you say, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE CHECKS DOWN.." ..

His yards-per-attempt in his career is *higher* than Brees.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

Dynamic running and passing quarterbacks seem to be the trend though. Cousins has incredible strengths, but also incredible weaknesses. If we are going to keep him we have to fortify the offensive line more.

Massaged stats mean absolutely nothing if you continually fail to win... Stats for most comebacks, clutch plays on 3rd downs, game winning drives, being a leader and willing you team to win on your strengths, NOPE

Being a statue, holding the ball the longest, having most time to throw, making your OL look far worse than it really is... CHECK

The OLine made themselves look bad.

Should Cousins get out of the pocket more often when the pressure is coming? Yes.

Cousins' play this year is like 6th on our list of problems we need to solve. And if you solve our number 1 problem, Cousins will play well the majority of the time.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 7:39:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

By completion percentage, Kirk Cousins in the 2nd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL. Only Drew Brees is higher.

And before you say, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE CHECKS DOWN.." ..

His yards-per-attempt in his career is *higher* than Brees.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

Dynamic running and passing quarterbacks seem to be the trend though. Cousins has incredible strengths, but also incredible weaknesses. If we are going to keep him we have to fortify the offensive line more.

Massaged stats mean absolutely nothing if you continually fail to win... Stats for most comebacks, clutch plays on 3rd downs, game winning drives, being a leader and willing you team to win on your strengths, NOPE

Being a statue, holding the ball the longest, having most time to throw, making your OL look far worse than it really is... CHECK

The OLine made themselves look bad.

Should Cousins get out of the pocket more often when the pressure is coming? Yes.

Cousins' play this year is like 6th on our list of problems we need to solve. And if you solve our number 1 problem, Cousins will play well the majority of the time.


+1. If we fix the left side of the line, we should be okay.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 7:57:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Rookie tight ends don't usually do too much. Hopefully Irv Smith will pick up his game to another level next season. We can see with the Niners what a dynamic tight end can mean. Still, I would assume the Vikings will keep fishing for a young wide receiver. Perhaps one can be had via free agency. I don't know.

With our lead footed quarterback I would prioritise the offensive line again, though.


The only way Irv will see significant time on the field will be if Rudolph gets hurt or retires and even then we’ll have to pray they don’t bring jimmy kleinsasser out of retirement. Then, and only then, will we get to see what we have. Hopefully this happens soon enough that we don’t end up with another Anthony Harris situation.

Smith and Rudolph had the same number of targets.


Smith should get more. We know Rudolph can catch balls in the back of the end zone and not much else. What do we know about smith? Virtually nothing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/18/2020 10:53:43 PM   
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Read the 49ers were full of coaches who had years of experience with Kubiak's system. So they methodically took it apart.

As well they knew Kirk Cousins very well too...

The Niners are saying they fear Rodgers this week, none of that talk week before unfortunately...

and the media agrees...

Regardless of the mindset, the 49ers will be facing a much different quarterback than Kirk Cousins this week. Cousins is a statue that crumbles into dust under pressure. Rodgers is the chicken in Rocky II, before Rocky gets in shape.


I think the Niners should fear the refs also, here is a look at some of the 2019 season bad calls that went the Packers way: https://youtu.be/XNud300-bZE
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 12:58:20 AM   
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By completion percentage, Kirk Cousins in the 2nd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL. Only Drew Brees is higher.

And before you say, "THAT'S BECAUSE HE CHECKS DOWN.." ..

His yards-per-attempt in his career is *higher* than Brees.

(Dustin Baker on Twitter)

Dynamic running and passing quarterbacks seem to be the trend though. Cousins has incredible strengths, but also incredible weaknesses. If we are going to keep him we have to fortify the offensive line more.



This year we saw some glimpses of what Cousins is and can be. They say that nobody studies more than him or that he works incredibly hard on many different aspects of his heath and mental preparation. To me that means he is smart enough to understand his weaknesses and is doing everything he can to give himself every edge he can. That's a good thing. I don't know what the offensive staff will look like, but if they stay in house and keep the same system going, it will improvements on the o-line and third receiver that take it to the next level.

We saw that Cousins doesn't have to be the focal point, and we also saw that he can poor it on weaker defenses, what we need to see is growth. Defensive coordinators, at least the best ones, know how to break QB's down and get in to their heads, make them play from an uncomfortable position. What Cousins and the offensive staff need to get better at is predicting those moves and being ready with counter moves. I was very disappointed that a few times, especially the S.F. game, the offense was caught without an alternate game plan of counter moves to the run being stuffed. Better self scouting and setting aside the ego a little bit would bit would be improvements needed to move this offense to the next level.

Cousins is a good QB, very accurate in all throws and he understands most of the defensive looks he's getting. He needs to get better at recognizing disguised defenses and understanding the limitations of the guys up front against superior defensive fronts. I personally don't see Cousins as a future HOF guy, a guy that will win multiple championships, but I do think he is better than a lot of other QB's that have a ring, he just needs to play his best and let the rest of the team do it's job and he can help win games. Too much pressure on him and he's not the guy, just way it is, so don't get in to a lot of those situations. They need to understand what they got in Cousins and put him in the best spot to perform, he's at his best when things are going positive, as most of us are.

We might have the future O-line guys and Udo and Samia, I don't know, but we better draft another up high and another DB or two. One good D-tackle might also be needed, but I think Watts might surprise next year. I like Bisi and think he can be a solid #3 guy. Sign Harris, Mac and let Waynes go, fire Rhodes, Reiff. Joseph either takes a big restructure of he has to go, restructure/extend Smith to free up a couple million there and get this figured out, windows are closing.

One more thing, I'm not a big Zimmer guy, he gets this year and if it doesn't happen, it wont, he's gotta go.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 7:27:12 AM   
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#Vikings opponents were called for the fewest amount of penalties (83) in the league during the regular season per NFL penalties. com.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 10:16:42 AM   
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The biggest key for me is the 3rd on short....in the middle of the season if we convert a couple we win 1 or 2 more games and then you add in the GB tie.

The biggest problem with the oline and there were many was the short yardage plays....we get that figured out we should be a pretty tough team to beat.

Agree to a limited extent, because by far the biggest problem was the shitshow in pass protection. I get that the new scheme should help the run game pop, but as you say I'm interested to see what happens on "power" runs where we just need a yard or two and the defense stacks, and most interested in pass pro.

Bradbury and Elflein are both undersized, so a stacked defense will likely remain challenging for a power run.

I suspect we'll see a lot of play action or off tackle runs. We aren't going to move a lot of people if they have their bigs in.

I think the Bradbury is undersized narrative is inaccurate. He came in at 305 and with his first off season with an NFL training regimen I would guess he is 315. What is the average weight of Centers in the NFL? I would guess it is less than 315.

You may be correct on Bradbury -- it was pointed out in a recent film study (don't recall who said it). I think the scheme dictates mobility over size, such that they'll have a difficult time manhandling D lines.



elflein is the issue - he's not nimble-footed or big and strong - can't get to the second level blocking and can't deal with the monster d-tackles of the nfl....

give bradbury a bigger bruiser that can move a bit on each side of him and we're in business....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 12:28:27 PM   
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Bosa Fined for his cheap shot on ONEILL!!!

http://theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/80120/Nick-Bosa-fined--28-075-by-NFL-for-block-on-Brian-O-Neill
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 12:28:48 PM   
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Bosa Fined for his cheap shot on ONEILL!!!

http://theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/80120/Nick-Bosa-fined--28-075-by-NFL-for-block-on-Brian-O-Neill
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 2:28:21 PM   
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That weird surreal State Farm commercial from September with what looks like Rodgers and Mahomes competing in Superbowl as fake agent Gabe laments "what does this all mean?"

It means he figured out the NFL is scripted and fake as WWE crap IF that is how things play out...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:07:21 PM   
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All this talk about Tennessee being predictable but I'm not seeing it. Yeah they run a bunch but I'm having a hard time predicting how they're going to do it. They aren't run up the middle twice and pass on 3rd and long predictable like we are for sure.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:12:46 PM   
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All this talk about Tennessee being predictable but I'm not seeing it. Yeah they run a bunch but I'm having a hard time predicting how they're going to do it. They aren't run up the middle twice and pass on 3rd and long predictable like we are for sure.



So far 16 passes and 15 runs. They're getting the best of both.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:15:58 PM   
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All this talk about Tennessee being predictable but I'm not seeing it. Yeah they run a bunch but I'm having a hard time predicting how they're going to do it. They aren't run up the middle twice and pass on 3rd and long predictable like we are for sure.

I believe they have run on every first down today. It really helps when your RB is the size of a linebacker and gets 5 yards a pop on first down.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:16:24 PM   
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All this talk about Tennessee being predictable but I'm not seeing it. Yeah they run a bunch but I'm having a hard time predicting how they're going to do it. They aren't run up the middle twice and pass on 3rd and long predictable like we are for sure.

No one is as predictable as we are on O... We have so many weapons and abilities and yet we run the same plays out of the same formations and sets... Just when you think they are setting something up off predictable.... they dont...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:18:14 PM   
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All this talk about Tennessee being predictable but I'm not seeing it. Yeah they run a bunch but I'm having a hard time predicting how they're going to do it. They aren't run up the middle twice and pass on 3rd and long predictable like we are for sure.

I believe they have run on every first down today. It really helps when your RB is the size of a linebacker and gets 5 yards a pop on first down.

Many of those were 1 yard gains. Did they follow up with another run? Not until just now. Now its 3rd and 9.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:21:03 PM   
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All this talk about Tennessee being predictable but I'm not seeing it. Yeah they run a bunch but I'm having a hard time predicting how they're going to do it. They aren't run up the middle twice and pass on 3rd and long predictable like we are for sure.

No one is as predictible as we are on O... We have so many weapons and abilities and yet we run the same plays out of the same formations and sets... Just when you think they are setting something up off predictible.... they dont...

Our problems is we have set plays for personnel groupings and every team in the league knows them by now.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/19/2020 3:21:25 PM   
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They've thrown on four first downs so far including a 22 yard pass to TE Jonnu Smith that set up a Derrick Henry four-yard TD.

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