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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:33:52 AM   
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Okay, here is the good news on the win the division front. The Twins have 18 games remaining and Cleveland has 16 left.

Twins go 9-9
Cleveland has to go 13-3 to tie it up

Twins go 10-8
Cleveland has to go 14-2 to tie it up

Twins go 12-6
Cleveland has to go 16-0 to tie it up

If Cleveland wins 2/3 of its remaining games, the Twins need to go 7-11 to preserve a tie or 8-10 to win it.

It's not a done deal, but it looks promising.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:34:06 AM   
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You missed the post that had Buxton comments about adjusting

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:34:49 AM   
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The concussion came on a ball most wouldn’t reach

There’s a fine line for the better outfielder type for aggressive play and letting the ball drop

That line could be the difference in winning or losing
Letting your teammates down

And plowing into the fence is also letting your team down if you miss games

Buxton isn’t the only one
The players union should push for better protection
And it is on the players to be smart
In the heat of the moment that’s a split second decision


They finally are protecting fans with netting. There needs to be more padding on the walls and foul ball areas. And they need to have a clear warning track in all ballparks that can not only be seen but felt by the players.
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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:35:57 AM   
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Okay, here is the good news on the win the division front. The Twins have 18 games remaining and Cleveland has 16 left.

Twins go 9-9
Cleveland has to go 13-3 to tie it up

Twins go 10-8
Cleveland has to go 14-2 to tie it up

Twins go 12-6
Cleveland has to go 16-0 to tie it up

If Cleveland wins 2/3 of its remaining games, the Twins need to go 7-11 to preserve a tie or 8-10 to win it.

It's not a done deal, but it looks promising.


Twins go 11-7, they reach 100 wins. It is clearly doable.
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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:36:09 AM   
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I understand sentiments regarding Buxton, but if he didn't play as hard or run as fast, then he wouldn't be Buxton and you wouldn't care whether he was hurt. Molitor couldn't stay healthy when young, either. He didn't change style of play. Just matured physically, got luckier



Probably the most ive ever agreed with Souhan

Same feelings here
Its why I love his game
The explosiveness
Every team needs that and we definitely fed off of it
Unfortunately it also costs you at times.
I'm in the camp that it'll work itself out. He'll somehow figure out how to stay on the field. Has to kill him to miss these fun days.


Sorry SMF. This is really a homer type attitude. This is not how it works. Look at the results.

It really isn't a homer attitude and nobody is more loath to agree with Souhan than I am. Buxton is already showing signs of adjusting his mind set. After he injured the shoulder, he admitted that he needed to get smarter about how he plays the wall. He seems to have decided he needs to find to continue to be aggressive without being stupid. Falvine seems to be willing to sit down with him. His agent is no doubt convincing him that it is costing him a lot of money. He'll figure it out.


I haven't read or heard anything from Buxton saying he will change his approach. But he HAS to change his approach. Those who claim he can continue to play with reckless abandon are only stamping their approval of his next DL stint that could be career ending. What is so difficult to understand about this?

It was in the Pioneer Press shortly after he injured his shoulder. He specifically talked about being smarter about how he plays the wall. He can continue to play aggressively and be smarter about it.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:39:33 AM   
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https://www.mlb.com/news/christian-yelich-exits-with-knee-injury

Well, blame that injury on MLB and the hard baseball. Blood on their hands. Totally unnecessary.


Almost identical to a few games back when Kepler fouled a ball off his front knee. Didn't fracture anything.

I think ballplayers need to wear some protection around their knee.

Did anyone see the guy who had a compound fracture on Deadliest Catch and had to be airlifted off the fishing vessel.

Closest bent leg to Joe Theisman's leg on MNF. But the latter made me throw up at the time.
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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:40:55 AM   
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I understand sentiments regarding Buxton, but if he didn't play as hard or run as fast, then he wouldn't be Buxton and you wouldn't care whether he was hurt. Molitor couldn't stay healthy when young, either. He didn't change style of play. Just matured physically, got luckier



Probably the most ive ever agreed with Souhan

Same feelings here
Its why I love his game
The explosiveness
Every team needs that and we definitely fed off of it
Unfortunately it also costs you at times.
I'm in the camp that it'll work itself out. He'll somehow figure out how to stay on the field. Has to kill him to miss these fun days.


Sorry SMF. This is really a homer type attitude. This is not how it works. Look at the results.

It really isn't a homer attitude and nobody is more loath to agree with Souhan than I am. Buxton is already showing signs of adjusting his mind set. After he injured the shoulder, he admitted that he needed to get smarter about how he plays the wall. He seems to have decided he needs to find to continue to be aggressive without being stupid. Falvine seems to be willing to sit down with him. His agent is no doubt convincing him that it is costing him a lot of money. He'll figure it out.


I haven't read or heard anything from Buxton saying he will change his approach. But he HAS to change his approach. Those who claim he can continue to play with reckless abandon are only stamping their approval of his next DL stint that could be career ending. What is so difficult to understand about this?

It was in the Pioneer Press shortly after he injured his shoulder. He specifically talked about being smarter about how he plays the wall. He can continue to play aggressively and be smarter about it.


I hope this is the case. What pisses me off about Buxton is that he finally was starting to show stardom qualities in both CF and at the plate and then he let common sense get in the way. Practically speaking, the Twins are a much better playoff opponent with Buxton playing, now, not so much. For the Buxton fans, this is what you get.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:51:09 AM   
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I understand sentiments regarding Buxton, but if he didn't play as hard or run as fast, then he wouldn't be Buxton and you wouldn't care whether he was hurt. Molitor couldn't stay healthy when young, either. He didn't change style of play. Just matured physically, got luckier



Probably the most ive ever agreed with Souhan


Funny, because I have the exact opposite reaction. I’m sick of this “You can’t change Buxton. It’s what makes him great” take.

It’s bullshit.

So we just have to live with Buxton routinely missing 80-100 games a season or more? To hear all this Buxton mythology you’d think he’s the first speedy athletically gifted guy to ever play center field. He’s not. The other great ones just learned to be smarter and be aggressive without killing themselves.

This last Buxton injury was just a boneheaded play. A needless risk. Why are we so afraid to say that? Can’t take that away from him? They certainly can. And they must.


Excellent post Karl. It is really ridiculous to support the "all out" playing style of Buxton. Long DL stints is what you get.


My point is, you can play aggressive AND smart. We are being fed a false choice. He gets hurt on plays that he has no chance on and/or in game situations where it really doesn’t matter that much.

Pick your spots. And learn some better technique when you do go for it. He can still do that and retain that precious ‘Essence of Byron Buxton’ that everyone drones on about.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 9:56:32 AM   
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He might get hurt on plays he has no chance to make.....

But he has also gotten hurt on plays he made that were game changers.

He will learn.
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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:03:40 AM   
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Many aren't commenting on Buck's bad luck...I know he had a broken toe on a foul ball in one of his first rehab at bats last fall. I know he was hit in the hand once and was out for a while....so there is that on top of him being aggressive in the field. Get him repaired and healthy for next year.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:08:48 AM   
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Many aren't commenting on Buck's bad luck...I know he had a broken toe on a foul ball in one of his first rehab at bats last fall. I know he was hit in the hand once and was out for a while....so there is that on top of him being aggressive in the field. Get him repaired and healthy for next year.

That is a fair point Phil. His lost season last year had nothing to do with reckless play. He initially got put on the IL for a migraine, went to Fort Myers for a rehab, fouled one off his foot in his first AB and broke his toe. Played through a lot of pain when they pushed him back in the lineup too soon. Went back on the IL to let the toe fully heal and then shut him down when the AAA season ended. Almost an entire year lost and it didn't involve crashing into a wall or reckless play.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:12:16 AM   
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I was curious about the weather in MN during the 1965 World Series. For some reason, baseball-reference says weather conditions "unknown" for Games 1 thru 6. But for Game 7, it was 50 degrees. Date of the game was October 14th. Sounds like a pretty nice day. Anyone here remember the weather conditions for the first 6 games of the series? I'm sure SoCal weather was perfect.

They played the opening games in the day back then due to the cold 40 degree weather at night. The opening game was windy, but partly sunny and the temperature was in the lower 60's.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:12:27 AM   
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Many aren't commenting on Buck's bad luck...I know he had a broken toe on a foul ball in one of his first rehab at bats last fall. I know he was hit in the hand once and was out for a while....so there is that on top of him being aggressive in the field. Get him repaired and healthy for next year.

That is a fair point Phil. His lost season last year had nothing to do with reckless play. He initially got put on the IL for a migraine, went to Fort Myers for a rehab, fouled one off his foot in his first AB and broke his toe. Played through a lot of pain when they pushed him back in the lineup too soon. Went back on the IL to let the toe fully heal and then shut him down when the AAA season ended. Almost an entire year lost and it didn't involve crashing into a wall or reckless play.


I also like that point....they (fans) complain about him being hurt but he (Buxton) wants to be on the field and contribute so much he played with a broken toe last year.....he is tough, he also tried finishing out this year with that shoulder injury--Dr. must have told him it wasn't going to heal on its own and rehab wouldn't help to get thru the season.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:13:13 AM   
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The concussion came on a ball most wouldn’t reach

There’s a fine line for the better outfielder type for aggressive play and letting the ball drop

That line could be the difference in winning or losing
Letting your teammates down

And plowing into the fence is also letting your team down if you miss games

Buxton isn’t the only one
The players union should push for better protection
And it is on the players to be smart
In the heat of the moment that’s a split second decision


They finally are protecting fans with netting. There needs to be more padding on the walls and foul ball areas. And they need to have a clear warning track in all ballparks that can not only be seen but felt by the players.



Walls should not only have more padding but it should be more uniform. Those walls with a combination of wire and pads like we have in left field are dangerous. It should be a relatively smooth surface.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:18:26 AM   
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It started raining shortly after the opening game ended and continued through the night. The outfield was very soggy and Griffith had 2 helicopters come in to try and dry the wet spots for game 2.
It was 56 degrees at the start of the game with a 17 mile an hour wind. Light rain fell though the first couple innings.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:21:17 AM   
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The concussion came on a ball most wouldn’t reach

There’s a fine line for the better outfielder type for aggressive play and letting the ball drop

That line could be the difference in winning or losing
Letting your teammates down

And plowing into the fence is also letting your team down if you miss games

Buxton isn’t the only one
The players union should push for better protection
And it is on the players to be smart
In the heat of the moment that’s a split second decision


They finally are protecting fans with netting. There needs to be more padding on the walls and foul ball areas. And they need to have a clear warning track in all ballparks that can not only be seen but felt by the players.



Walls should not only have more padding but it should be more uniform. Those walls with a combination of wire and pads like we have in left field are dangerous. It should be a relatively smooth surface.

They need the chain fence so the bullpen has a view of the game.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:22:11 AM   
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It started raining shortly after the opening game ended and continued through the night. The outfield was very soggy and Griffith had 2 helicopters come in to try and dry the wet spots for game 2.
It was 56 degrees at the start of the game with a 17 mile an hour wind. Light rain fell though the first couple innings.

Quite a memory, Steve.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:22:29 AM   
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Game three the temperature was 54 degrees.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:23:53 AM   
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Game three the temperature was 54 degrees.

That's cold for LA.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:24:45 AM   
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Game three the temperature was 54 degrees.

That's cold for LA.

Game six in Minnesota. Pardon my memory.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:26:42 AM   
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Griffith also mixed some sand around the bases to slow down the Dodger running game.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:27:05 AM   
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It started raining shortly after the opening game ended and continued through the night. The outfield was very soggy and Griffith had 2 helicopters come in to try and dry the wet spots for game 2.
It was 56 degrees at the start of the game with a 17 mile an hour wind. Light rain fell though the first couple innings.

Quite a memory, Steve.



Steve's mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

He would never make mistakes except his avatar keeps spinning around mindlessly and it occasionally makes Steve dizzy.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:27:07 AM   
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The concussion came on a ball most wouldn’t reach

There’s a fine line for the better outfielder type for aggressive play and letting the ball drop

That line could be the difference in winning or losing
Letting your teammates down

And plowing into the fence is also letting your team down if you miss games

Buxton isn’t the only one
The players union should push for better protection
And it is on the players to be smart
In the heat of the moment that’s a split second decision


They finally are protecting fans with netting. There needs to be more padding on the walls and foul ball areas. And they need to have a clear warning track in all ballparks that can not only be seen but felt by the players.



Walls should not only have more padding but it should be more uniform. Those walls with a combination of wire and pads like we have in left field are dangerous. It should be a relatively smooth surface.

They need the chain fence so the bullpen has a view of the game.

Maybe they could use clear, inflatable padding. Or they could have the wall deploy and airbag when Buxton runs into it.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:28:39 AM   
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It started raining shortly after the opening game ended and continued through the night. The outfield was very soggy and Griffith had 2 helicopters come in to try and dry the wet spots for game 2.
It was 56 degrees at the start of the game with a 17 mile an hour wind. Light rain fell though the first couple innings.

Quite a memory, Steve.



Steve's mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

He would never make escapes except his avatar keeps spinning around mindlessly and it occasionally makes Steve dizzy.

I think the geezer just takes ginkgo biloba to keep his memory sharp.

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RE: 2019 Twins Game Day 2.0 - 9/11/2019 10:31:09 AM   
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All I remember from the 65 series.......I was in second grade. My sister was in the 11th grade. All kids from 7th through 12th grade got to watch the WS games in the lunchroom. Elementary kids didn't. We had regular classwork.

My sister could care less about the WS.

Life is sooooo unfair.
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