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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/16/2019 1:59:32 PM   
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If KAT gets injured, look out below. This team goes into a death spiral. There is no plan B without him. Heck there’s barely a plan A with him.

It will make the Rambis days look like the golden era of Wolves basketball.

They weren't ???

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/16/2019 7:28:39 PM   
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22. Minnesota Timberwolves: The offensive brilliance of Karl-Anthony Towns is basically weighed down by the offensive brickyness of Andrew Wiggings. The Wolves will move higher up the list when they figure things out, something fans—and probably the front office—are running out of patience for. Maybe they actually swing that trade for D’Angelo Russell at some point and we can revise these rankings.



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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/17/2019 9:57:01 AM   
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If KAT gets injured, look out below. This team goes into a death spiral. There is no plan B without him. Heck there’s barely a plan A with him.

It will make the Rambis days look like the golden era of Wolves basketball.

They weren't ???


32 wins in two seasons. Those were the days.

Without Towns this is a 15 win team.

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/17/2019 1:38:36 PM   
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MILWAUKEE -- Ahead of the 2019-20 NBA season, ESPN rolled out its annual list of the top 100 players in the league.
Absent from it was Minnesota Timberwolves forward Andrew Wiggins, who doesn't agree.
"I don't really look at that too much, top 100 or not top 100," Wiggins told ESPN. "There's not 100 players better than me, so it doesn't matter what people think. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My job is to come out here and hoop, and that's what I'm going to do."
Wiggins, 24, is looking to have a breakout Year 6 after having heard criticism throughout his career concerning his effort, most notably after agreeing to a $147.7 million max contract extension in 2017. He averaged 18.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 2.5 assists on a career-low 41.2% shooting during the 2018-19 season, which was more focused on the public criticism and trade demands of former teammate Jimmy Butler, the firing of head coach Tom Thibodeau and a "personal" element, which he wouldn't detail, but he claims he's ready to put those issues behind him.
"I would say I enjoy it more than I did last year because last year was a rough start," Wiggins said. "The joy has always been there. I've never been on the court and not wanted to play."
Since being drafted No. 1 overall by Cleveland in 2014, only to be traded a couple of months later to Minnesota as part of a deal involving Kevin Love, Wiggins has played for four different coaches.
"It's not an excuse to say it altered my play too much," Wiggins said. "Every coach is different, every coach has different playing styles but no coach made me have a negative experience playing."
Current Timberwolves coach Ryan Saunders is entering his first full season as head coach with a reshaped front office led by president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas, a former Houston Rockets executive.
It helps that Saunders does have a personal relationship with Wiggins.
"I don't necessarily think about how support has been, I just can only support in my own way and that's continuing to be how I am with Andrew," Saunders said. "I've known him since he was a teenager. We've had big life moments. The guy was at my wedding, he let me know when he was gonna be a father.
"There's things that connects you on a deeper level than just being there for somebody on the basketball court," he continued. "Those conversations with players, I just like to keep to us."
Reestablishing the value of Wiggins with $122 million left on his contract over the next four years after pushing through numerous head coaches will certainly be something to watch in Minnesota this season under the new regime. However, Wiggins would rather prove his worth on the court rather than tell it through the media.
"Everyone is counting pockets. Some people are mad about, some people are happy for you," Wiggins told ESPN. "That's how the world goes especially when you've got something they don't have or do something they don't do. That's how the world goes.
"Even when I averaged almost 24 points and got the max deal people were still saying stuff," he added. "Look at max players and some max players don't average as much, but it is what it is. I'm just trying to get right, get back on track."


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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/17/2019 1:51:04 PM   
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The fact that he bases his worth as a player on his PPG says all that needs to be said.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/17/2019 8:12:32 PM   
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Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/17/2019 10:00:10 PM   
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Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.


Same player he was when he was 17 years old. If you ignore salary, I'm not certain he deserves to start for the Hawks.

Jim Petersen still has faith in him though. And, that's almost as disgusting as listening to him slobber all over Rose last season.

There is no reason to start Wiggins. He's getting paid either way. Why stunt development of young players by continuing to play Wiggins? He's not ever going to make us better, he makes us worse. He's not part of a successful future either.

This team is so bad, and there isn't a quick fix, or even a light at the end of the tunnel.
Towns will be tested mentally this season. Better get accustomed to losing, and not getting the ball in the paint. Probably difficult to stay positive for the duration in that situation.

I like what I have seen of Culver.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/18/2019 9:15:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.


Same player he was when he was 17 years old. If you ignore salary, I'm not certain he deserves to start for the Hawks.

Jim Petersen still has faith in him though. And, that's almost as disgusting as listening to him slobber all over Rose last season.

There is no reason to start Wiggins. He's getting paid either way. Why stunt development of young players by continuing to play Wiggins? He's not ever going to make us better, he makes us worse. He's not part of a successful future either.

This team is so bad, and there isn't a quick fix, or even a light at the end of the tunnel.
Towns will be tested mentally this season. Better get accustomed to losing, and not getting the ball in the paint. Probably difficult to stay positive for the duration in that situation.

I like what I have seen of Culver.

I am not worried about Wiggins. Rossa knows how to get the best usage out of him without hurting anyone else. I think Culver will get plenty of playing time. The claim that KAT needs to step up his defense for the team to win was very telling too.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/18/2019 9:48:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.


Same player he was when he was 17 years old. If you ignore salary, I'm not certain he deserves to start for the Hawks.

Jim Petersen still has faith in him though. And, that's almost as disgusting as listening to him slobber all over Rose last season.

There is no reason to start Wiggins. He's getting paid either way. Why stunt development of young players by continuing to play Wiggins? He's not ever going to make us better, he makes us worse. He's not part of a successful future either.

This team is so bad, and there isn't a quick fix, or even a light at the end of the tunnel.
Towns will be tested mentally this season. Better get accustomed to losing, and not getting the ball in the paint. Probably difficult to stay positive for the duration in that situation.

I like what I have seen of Culver.

I am not worried about Wiggins. Rossa knows how to get the best usage out of him without hurting anyone else. I think Culver will get plenty of playing time. The claim that KAT needs to step up his defense for the team to win was very telling too.

Rosas isn't the coach. I don't know how he is going to get anything out of Wiggins. The brain trust may have modified the game plan, but it will come down to Wiggins recognition and work ethic. I have no doubt he will work hard, but he hasn't displayed anything even remotely resembling a BBIQ in 6 years.

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/18/2019 12:01:25 PM   
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Wigs preseason:

5 games: 19 MPG, 9.8 PPG, 1.2 APG, 1.4 RPG. 33.3/31.6/50 shooting. 7 assists, 8 turnovers, 0 steals, 0 blocks.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/18/2019 1:05:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.


Same player he was when he was 17 years old. If you ignore salary, I'm not certain he deserves to start for the Hawks.

Jim Petersen still has faith in him though. And, that's almost as disgusting as listening to him slobber all over Rose last season.

There is no reason to start Wiggins. He's getting paid either way. Why stunt development of young players by continuing to play Wiggins? He's not ever going to make us better, he makes us worse. He's not part of a successful future either.

This team is so bad, and there isn't a quick fix, or even a light at the end of the tunnel.
Towns will be tested mentally this season. Better get accustomed to losing, and not getting the ball in the paint. Probably difficult to stay positive for the duration in that situation.

I like what I have seen of Culver.

I am not worried about Wiggins. Rossa knows how to get the best usage out of him without hurting anyone else. I think Culver will get plenty of playing time. The claim that KAT needs to step up his defense for the team to win was very telling too.

Rosas isn't the coach. I don't know how he is going to get anything out of Wiggins. The brain trust may have modified the game plan, but it will come down to Wiggins recognition and work ethic. I have no doubt he will work hard, but he hasn't displayed anything even remotely resembling a BBIQ in 6 years.

I maybe wrong but I believe that all team decisions will go through Rosa as POBO. Even though this might not be his roll, he will tell Saunders what to do and weather he is played or benched. I am not saying that his play is good.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/18/2019 1:07:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.


Same player he was when he was 17 years old. If you ignore salary, I'm not certain he deserves to start for the Hawks.

Jim Petersen still has faith in him though. And, that's almost as disgusting as listening to him slobber all over Rose last season.

There is no reason to start Wiggins. He's getting paid either way. Why stunt development of young players by continuing to play Wiggins? He's not ever going to make us better, he makes us worse. He's not part of a successful future either.

This team is so bad, and there isn't a quick fix, or even a light at the end of the tunnel.
Towns will be tested mentally this season. Better get accustomed to losing, and not getting the ball in the paint. Probably difficult to stay positive for the duration in that situation.

I like what I have seen of Culver.

I am not worried about Wiggins. Rossa knows how to get the best usage out of him without hurting anyone else. I think Culver will get plenty of playing time. The claim that KAT needs to step up his defense for the team to win was very telling too.

Rosas isn't the coach. I don't know how he is going to get anything out of Wiggins. The brain trust may have modified the game plan, but it will come down to Wiggins recognition and work ethic. I have no doubt he will work hard, but he hasn't displayed anything even remotely resembling a BBIQ in 6 years.

I maybe wrong but I believe that all team decisions will go through Rosa as POBO. Even though this might not be his roll, he will tell Saunders what to do and weather he is played or benched. I am not saying that his play is good.


If that's the case then we hired the wrong GM and he absolutely hired the wrong coach.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/19/2019 9:33:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Halftime:

Wiggins is so bad.

Kelan Martin > Jaylen Nowell (and Josh Okogie...)

I can't get over how much smaller Noah Vonleh is than how I had remembered him.

I think Dieng is going to start the season out of the regular rotation. He'll play if Bell and/or Vonleh continue to struggle.


Same player he was when he was 17 years old. If you ignore salary, I'm not certain he deserves to start for the Hawks.

Jim Petersen still has faith in him though. And, that's almost as disgusting as listening to him slobber all over Rose last season.

There is no reason to start Wiggins. He's getting paid either way. Why stunt development of young players by continuing to play Wiggins? He's not ever going to make us better, he makes us worse. He's not part of a successful future either.

This team is so bad, and there isn't a quick fix, or even a light at the end of the tunnel.
Towns will be tested mentally this season. Better get accustomed to losing, and not getting the ball in the paint. Probably difficult to stay positive for the duration in that situation.

I like what I have seen of Culver.

I am not worried about Wiggins. Rossa knows how to get the best usage out of him without hurting anyone else. I think Culver will get plenty of playing time. The claim that KAT needs to step up his defense for the team to win was very telling too.

Rosas isn't the coach. I don't know how he is going to get anything out of Wiggins. The brain trust may have modified the game plan, but it will come down to Wiggins recognition and work ethic. I have no doubt he will work hard, but he hasn't displayed anything even remotely resembling a BBIQ in 6 years.

I maybe wrong but I believe that all team decisions will go through Rosa as POBO. Even though this might not be his roll, he will tell Saunders what to do and weather he is played or benched. I am not saying that his play is good.


If that's the case then we hired the wrong GM and he absolutely hired the wrong coach.
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I strongly disagree. I see nothing wrong with the coach and POBO meeting to decide how they are going to get the maximum value out of a player and how to get him to buy into what the team wants him to do. Rosa selected the assistant coaches and Saunders had little input. Open communication is the new mantra. If that makes him an improper POBO, I just say BS
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/19/2019 10:01:30 AM   
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The GM should not be dictating rotations and in game adjustments.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/19/2019 10:17:13 AM   
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Ultimately Rosas is Saunders boss. Appears Rosas is wanting to bring a different style of play here and it's Saunders job to implement said style.

However, I'm sure Saunders does control rotations and minutes ect...

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 9:19:48 AM   
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Ultimately Rosas is Saunders boss. Appears Rosas is wanting to bring a different style of play here and it's Saunders job to implement said style.

However, I'm sure Saunders does control rotations and minutes ect...

Yes, but the over all team play will be set by Rosa. He will have major input as to overall player development. Game to game decisions will be left to Saunders.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 9:29:24 AM   
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I guess Sabonis may be on the move:
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Told #Twolves talked to Indiana about him in June. There's no sense that any recent talks have happened though. But it remains fascinating to track this front office's aggressiveness. It's a matter of when, not if, they execute more trades.

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 10:09:12 AM   
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The problem is we have very little of value to trade.

Its pretty much RoCo and Culver.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 10:12:01 AM   
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Yep, it sucks to be in that category where the only pieces anyone is even remotely interested in are the ones you don't want to trade.

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 10:33:59 AM   
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I fully expect us to trade RoCo before the deadline.

We're not going to be good or competing for a playoff spot, and I think Rosas is going to want to move him for a younger guy. He's been very open about wanting to put a core around KAT of guys of a similar age. And it sound slike he was very available in trade around draft time.

Personally I think his on court value is invaluable to a young team learning to play the game, but I also think his on-court effect on wins and losses is much greater on a good team.

So I think it's much more likely he gets traded to a good team than a bad one - which makes it trickier getting equal value back on a younger player.

I still believe that if Klay looks like he'll be back for the 2nd half, that we end up moving RoCo for Russell - and I think we'll regret it in the long run...
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 10:37:29 AM   
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I fully expect us to trade RoCo before the deadline.

We're not going to be good or competing for a playoff spot, and I think Rosas is going to want to move him for a younger guy. He's been very open about wanting to put a core around KAT of guys of a similar age. And it sound slike he was very available in trade around draft time.

Personally I think his on court value is invaluable to a young team learning to play the game, but I also think his on-court effect on wins and losses is much greater on a good team.

So I think it's much more likely he gets traded to a good team than a bad one - which makes it trickier getting equal value back on a younger player.

I still believe that if Klay looks like he'll be back for the 2nd half, that we end up moving RoCo for Russell - and I think we'll regret it in the long run...

Yep, I really see RoCo as part of the solution and not part of the problem. If Rosas goes down that road, he damn well better get real value.

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 1:35:48 PM   
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Minnesota has waived guard Ty Wallace, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

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And we're down to 15.

Personally, I would've rather waived KBD because I think there is some interesting potential in Wallace.
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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 2:32:11 PM  1 votes
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I fully expect us to trade RoCo before the deadline.

We're not going to be good or competing for a playoff spot, and I think Rosas is going to want to move him for a younger guy. He's been very open about wanting to put a core around KAT of guys of a similar age. And it sound slike he was very available in trade around draft time.

Personally I think his on court value is invaluable to a young team learning to play the game, but I also think his on-court effect on wins and losses is much greater on a good team.

So I think it's much more likely he gets traded to a good team than a bad one - which makes it trickier getting equal value back on a younger player.

I still believe that if Klay looks like he'll be back for the 2nd half, that we end up moving RoCo for Russell - and I think we'll regret it in the long run...

Yep, I really see RoCo as part of the solution and not part of the problem. If Rosas goes down that road, he damn well better get real value.

Not a fan of us trading RoCo

We need a solid veteran presence among the starting 5. He has tremendous value defensively both individually and getting team mates where they're suppose to be.

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 3:00:01 PM   
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Minnesota has waived guard Ty Wallace, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

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And we're down to 15.

Personally, I would've rather waived KBD because I think there is some interesting potential in Wallace.


Hopefully G League?

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RE: Wolves 2019 Game Day - 10/21/2019 3:47:24 PM   
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Minnesota has waived guard Ty Wallace, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

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And we're down to 15.

Personally, I would've rather waived KBD because I think there is some interesting potential in Wallace.


Hopefully G League?


My guess is back with the Clippers.
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