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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/1/2020 7:00:10 PM   
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And I really like Mattison. I feel like with both we have an 8 and a 9.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/1/2020 7:31:35 PM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/1/2020 10:32:16 PM   
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Like the Trent Williams Trade, I hope an extension of Cook doesn't happen. Too much risk in big contracts to RBs and never the return.

There also was so many times during the season Mattison looked nearly identical to Cook on the field. Several times I thought it was Cook and it turned out to be Mattison.

I would franchise Cook next give, give him a nice bump. If he wants out, trade him.

Next year draft a RB in mid-rounds. Kubiak doesn't need an expensive or high draft pick RB.

But I also think it's coming. Hope it's reasonable.


I agree Pager..I am hoping Mattison gets a lot more touches this year. And they do look very similar in stature!

Mattison is a fine young running back. He is not Dalvin Cook 2.0 in any way, shape or form.


Cook is better than Mattison, when healthy, but I would rather have Mattison at 4 million per than Cook at 14 million per. Granted, we do not know what it will cost to sign either, but for a point of comparison.

I remember when we drafted Mattison the talk was all about him being worthless and a completely wasted draft pick.


I was nervous about the pick because it seemed that we got him too early. However, it was clear that the Vikings really, really wanted him and I did like the film I saw, so I was more wait and see.

I'm not saying everybody hated it. Just a strong majority.

Sorry. Fair enough.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 4:19:34 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 6:43:17 AM   
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I don't ever recall the Patriots paying rb's big money.

It is a position that rookies can come in and contribute right away.

I think I'd just keep drafting one every other year mid to late rd. use em up on their rookie deal and let em walk.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 7:20:49 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 7:33:32 AM   
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Perhaps the way to compromise would be to extend a running backs contract early. It might be in both party's interest. The team recognizes they have something special, but understand that there is a decline in production and the production might be easily replaced. Might. There is some luck involved. So they offer a contract extension. It's good for the stud running back because he gets more money sooner- guaranteed money in particular. He understands that he is good and if all goes well it's a sweetheart deal for the team, but he also understands that it's a violent game and many running backs get hurt. If he gets a major injury it will be tough to get a good contract afterwards. Also, he may be happy with the team and how they are respecting him in this way with the guaranteed money and how they are allowing him to be featured in their offense. Many good players are underutilized. Running back by committee is getting more and more common throughout the league and teams do try to use specialists such as third down backs, receiving backs, blocking backs, or whatever you would call a Cordarelle Patterson kind of back. Oh, and I forgot: short yardage or goal line running backs. We had one a couple years ago that went to New Orleans.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 7:36:58 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.

RB yes

QB still has to be good

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 7:40:25 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.

RB yes

QB still has to be good


I believe that for our team offensive line is more critical than for teams like Seattle who have a mobile quarterback. Of course a good offensive line is good for the QB and the running backs. I recall some of our best years, like 2009 and 1998. We had outstanding quarterback play in those years, but we also had incredible offensive linemen. Some of them were Hall of Famer good.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 7:51:34 AM   
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This has most likely been mentioned, but it looks like Kirkpatrick will come to the Vikings. It's not official yet, though.

https://www.nflrumors.org/post/top-cornerbacks-left-on-free-agent-market

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 8:35:21 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.

RB yes

QB still has to be good

Not good, just not suck. Any QB that doesn't suck can look great behind a great O Line.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/2/2020 8:56:32 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.

RB yes

QB still has to be good

Not good, just not suck. Any QB that doesn't suck can look great behind a great O Line.


Case Keenum looked pretty good 2 1/2 years ago. He was pretty mobile and that made the offensive line look better. That one year he was close to great. Teddy Bridgewater is rather mobile. I'm not saying elite mobile, but rather mobile. Sometimes he would be flushed out of the pocket and still convert first downs with his feet. I would say he made the offensive line look better than they were, too. Bradford took some shots and threw a lot of short passes. He wasn't mobile, but in his own way he made the offensive line look better than they probably were.

It would be nice if the offensive line was actually a strength. That would give the team more flexibilit with the play calling. Opposing defenses would have to be more conservative on the back end and it should help the running game be even more dominant.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/3/2020 3:59:08 PM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/3/2020 5:21:27 PM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

It's easy to say what we could have done knowing how the draft played out. We still could have chosen Ruiz, made the tradeback to 31 and taken gladney like we did than chose Mims at 58. On the other hand nobody was expecting Fulton or Mims to be available at 58. Also Williams might not have been willing to sign an extension for what we were willing to offer. What actually happened worked out pretty well.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 1:34:19 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

It's easy to say what we could have done knowing how the draft played out. We still could have chosen Ruiz, made the tradeback to 31 and taken gladney like we did than chose Mims at 58. On the other hand nobody was expecting Fulton or Mims to be available at 58. Also Williams might not have been willing to sign an extension for what we were willing to offer. What actually happened worked out pretty well.



My problem is we still don’t have one starting guard, and now we’re looking at starting a 2nd round rookie at left tackle...it’s all great if it all works out, but there are too many if’s on our o-line right now....

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 8:56:10 AM   
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While Williams didn't completely nix the trade to the Vikings, he seems to have indicated he wouldn't sign an extension.

Plus, fukk that guy; he's a 49er.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 9:05:02 AM   
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While Williams didn't completely nix the trade to the Vikings, he seems to have indicated he wouldn't sign an extension.

Plus, fukk that guy; he's a 49er.

Where did he say that? The only thing I remember reading from his side is that Williams and his agent said that they had nothing to do with the deal falling through.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 9:13:26 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

Meh. We give up a 4th round pick and the corner we wanted to draft Ruiz. We have Cleveland with Reiff moving to guard. We aren't saddled with Williams salary, which means we don't have to shot gun Harris.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 10:18:59 AM   
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At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

It's easy to say what we could have done knowing how the draft played out. We still could have chosen Ruiz, made the tradeback to 31 and taken gladney like we did than chose Mims at 58. On the other hand nobody was expecting Fulton or Mims to be available at 58. Also Williams might not have been willing to sign an extension for what we were willing to offer. What actually happened worked out pretty well.



My problem is we still don’t have one starting guard, and now we’re looking at starting a 2nd round rookie at left tackle...it’s all great if it all works out, but there are too many if’s on our o-line right now....

No player is a starter until they are. Hopefully Samia, Udoh, Cleveland, Gladney, Jefferson, Hughes possibly Hill, Lynch and Dantzler are up to the challenge. That is a lot of new players to be depending on. The good news is other than Jefferson replacing Diggs the bar was not set high by last years starters so maybe these guys can be upgrades from last year.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 10:27:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

Meh. We give up a 4th round pick and the corner we wanted to draft Ruiz. We have Cleveland with Reiff moving to guard. We aren't saddled with Williams salary, which means we don't have to shot gun Harris.



Yeah on draft night I was screaming for something like this (Getting another OLineman early) however I’m warming up to Spiels choices.

Watching more tape (lots) on Jeff Gladney alleviates quite a bit of concern for me. His height is just about the only downside as I can see. Appears a rugged, athletically superior version of Mac Alexander. I’ll roll with the Jefferson at #22, and trade back to #31 for the extra draft capital.

They said over the weekend that the Vikes are going to play the top five players up front period. Cleveland could definitely come right in and start at Guard. He’s projects in many pre-draft guides as a Guard.

I’m not a fan of kicking Reiff inside unless he takes a pretty substantial pay cut.

Still think we are bringing in someone like Dre Kirkpatrick at CB, and perhaps even bring back Josh Kline?

We need some combination of these Olineman to pan out, or it’ll be the same ole collapsing front door, and a quick exit if we don’t.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 10:42:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

Meh. We give up a 4th round pick and the corner we wanted to draft Ruiz. We have Cleveland with Reiff moving to guard. We aren't saddled with Williams salary, which means we don't have to shot gun Harris.



Yeah on draft night I was screaming for something like this (Getting another OLineman early) however I’m warming up to Spiels choices.

Watching more tape (lots) on Jeff Gladney alleviates quite a bit of concern for me. His height is just about the only downside as I can see. Appears a rugged, athletically superior version of Mac Alexander. I’ll roll with the Jefferson at #22, and trade back to #31 for the extra draft capital.

They said over the weekend that the Vikes are going to play the top five players up front period. Cleveland could definitely come right in and start at Guard. He’s projects in many pre-draft guides as a Guard.

I’m not a fan of kicking Reiff inside unless he takes a pretty substantial pay cut.

Still think we are bringing in someone like Dre Kirkpatrick at CB, and perhaps even bring back Josh Kline?

We need some combination of these Olineman to pan out, or it’ll be the same ole collapsing front door, and a quick exit if we don’t.


The biggest key is they are throwing draft capital every year at the Oline.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 10:43:36 AM   
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They said over the weekend that the Vikes are going to play the top five players up front period. Cleveland could definitely come right in and start at Guard. He’s projects in many pre-draft guides as a Guard.

I’m not a fan of kicking Reiff inside unless he takes a pretty substantial pay cut.

I'm not a fan of the idea of Cleveland inside with Reiff outside. Cleveland is far more athletic than Reiff and better suited to LT IMO. What we pay Reiff really shouldn't factor into moving him to guard. Put the players in the positions that creates the best line. Let Brez worry about the money.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 10:45:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

At the end of the day IF THEY throw caution to the wind and resign Cook we are the likely beneficiaries of a wider SB window because Cook is a special back that could run us to a SB. Why do we as fans have to worry about the money part? The worst case scenarios? He's really good, one of ours. I say strap in and go for it.


Looking at the highest paid running backs and see nothing to make me believe that signing a running back to big bucks is a smart choice. The worst case scenario is that we overpay one position and run out of money for a more important position.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/



it seems like it never works to pay a disgruntled running back big money - so many of the top paid rb's are not with their original team - they didn't think they were worth the money...just of interest; carolina has $48m in dead money they're being charged with this season, and still they shuffled in a new qb and made their rb the highest paid in the league....

remember when cook was leading the league in rushing halfway through the season last year?...he ended up 8th in rushing, behind chris carson and joe Mixon....

the way i see the running game in the nfl; build yourself a great o-line and the worst you'll have is a very good running game - with anyone at rb....

i like where the vikings are right now, and i'm not a big cousins fan...if we didn't allow such big holes to form at wr and cb we could have really poured some draft capital into our o-line...but hopefully, the fo and coaches are correct - that some of our younger talent is ready to step up and solidify our line....

IMO the O Line and not the QB is the most important position in football. A great O line will make any QB look good as well as any RB like you mentioned.



we could have possibly done this, and i think we'd be better off....

make the trade with washington for williams at lt....

#22 ruiz at lg
#23 Jefferson (#25 and our 4th router)
#58 fulton
#89 danzler

of course, we could have flipped #22/#23...one hole to fill at rg and we probably have a young player for that - or bring kline back....

Meh. We give up a 4th round pick and the corner we wanted to draft Ruiz. We have Cleveland with Reiff moving to guard. We aren't saddled with Williams salary, which means we don't have to shot gun Harris.



Yeah on draft night I was screaming for something like this (Getting another OLineman early) however I’m warming up to Spiels choices.

Watching more tape (lots) on Jeff Gladney alleviates quite a bit of concern for me. His height is just about the only downside as I can see. Appears a rugged, athletically superior version of Mac Alexander. I’ll roll with the Jefferson at #22, and trade back to #31 for the extra draft capital.

They said over the weekend that the Vikes are going to play the top five players up front period. Cleveland could definitely come right in and start at Guard. He’s projects in many pre-draft guides as a Guard.

I’m not a fan of kicking Reiff inside unless he takes a pretty substantial pay cut.

Still think we are bringing in someone like Dre Kirkpatrick at CB, and perhaps even bring back Josh Kline?

We need some combination of these Olineman to pan out, or it’ll be the same ole collapsing front door, and a quick exit if we don’t.

That's good to hear. Who is "they", Kubiak and/or Dennison? It seemed in the past they didn't necessarily do that, although it is difficult to know how good the backups are. Elflein set a low hurdle.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 11:32:15 AM   
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Ezra Cleveland is 6'6". He also lacks power. The book on him is he needs to get stronger. I don't want him playing guard. He's not a good fit for that.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 5/4/2020 11:47:36 AM   
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Ezra Cleveland is 6'6". He also lacks power. The book on him is he needs to get stronger. I don't want him playing guard. He's not a good fit for that.

Exactly. The big issue at LG is that we have Elflien getting overpowered with alarming frequency. One of the reasons we use so many roll outs and fewer straight drops and shot gun sets is that Bradbury and Elf are just not able to consistently slow the inside pass rush.

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