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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 5:33:54 AM

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Well, I guess that answers that.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/

I don't know if I believe the report. Williams desperately wants out of Washington. Would he try to block his best chance. All reports are he has a good relationship with Cousins.

Maybe he looked at our cap situation and realized he couldn't get as much as if he went somewhere else.

If we were trying to low ball him on contract that would make sense.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 5:36:43 AM

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For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?

The second two are red herrings. No evidence suggests we tried to trade up for Ezra. The player we tried to trade up for was Gillimore. And no one will be able to answer whether it was a good move for 2-3 years. But right now, I would rather have Gillimore and a trade up for Dantzler and "only" have 9 draft picks on day 3.

I'm totally guessing, but Cleveland IMO is the most likely player we would have targeted in a trade up. Gallimore and Elliott were the two best DTs according to most. We almost certainly could have traded up for Elliott with 105. Gallimore may have cost more. We most likely did not have the draft capital to trade up for either and still get Dantzler.

You are totally guessing. And just because someone was "most likely" in your hypothetical doesn't mean it's even in the same universe as reality.

It'd be pretty easy to figure out the cost. We'd have to move up to 81 for Gillimore. I'm guessing the 3rd rounder plus the first 4th rounder will be about the same amount of points. Leaving the second 3rd rounder. I'll play my own hypothetical. We don't have to trade up for Dantlzer very much. It only took a 7th rounder, because in my hypothetical he falls further than we expected like Jefferson. And we have plenty of picks left over. (1-4th, 2-5ths, 2-6ths, and 2-7ths). These hypotheticals are fun

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 5:47:02 AM

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For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?

The second two are red herrings. No evidence suggests we tried to trade up for Ezra. The player we tried to trade up for was Gillimore. And no one will be able to answer whether it was a good move for 2-3 years. But right now, I would rather have Gillimore and a trade up for Dantzler and "only" have 9 draft picks on day 3.

I'm totally guessing, but Cleveland IMO is the most likely player we would have targeted in a trade up. Gallimore and Elliott were the two best DTs according to most. We almost certainly could have traded up for Elliott with 105. Gallimore may have cost more. We most likely did not have the draft capital to trade up for either and still get Dantzler.

You are totally guessing. And just because someone was "most likely" in your hypothetical doesn't mean it's even in the same universe as reality.

It'd be pretty easy to figure out the cost. We'd have to move up to 81 for Gillimore. I'm guessing the 3rd rounder plus the first 4th rounder will be about the same amount of points. Leaving the second 3rd rounder. I'll play my own hypothetical. We don't have to trade up for Dantlzer very much. It only took a 7th rounder, because in my hypothetical he falls further than we expected like Jefferson. And we have plenty of picks left over. (1-4th, 2-5ths, 2-6ths, and 2-7ths). These hypotheticals are fun

Reality to trade up to 81 or higher because we didn't know what pick was going to be used on Gallimore would have cost 89-105-and 117. Then of course Dantzler would have just fell to us at 132 because we were stupid to take him at 89 (sarcasm). Whenever we question the wisdom of trading up or back of course we are working in hypotheticals. Why did you feel the need to say I was totally guessing when I already said it? It's one thing to debate. That's cool. It's another to debate with a very snide attitude. I was doing my best to propose somewhat realistic scenarios.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 5:56:01 AM

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I'm very intrigued by Kenny Robinson the Safety from the XFL. I hope he's on our radar for today.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 5:58:43 AM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/

So much for talk of him wanting to play with Cousins and Vikes having legitimate feelers out...

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:08:22 AM

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For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?

The second two are red herrings. No evidence suggests we tried to trade up for Ezra. The player we tried to trade up for was Gillimore. And no one will be able to answer whether it was a good move for 2-3 years. But right now, I would rather have Gillimore and a trade up for Dantzler and "only" have 9 draft picks on day 3.

I'm totally guessing, but Cleveland IMO is the most likely player we would have targeted in a trade up. Gallimore and Elliott were the two best DTs according to most. We almost certainly could have traded up for Elliott with 105. Gallimore may have cost more. We most likely did not have the draft capital to trade up for either and still get Dantzler.

You are totally guessing. And just because someone was "most likely" in your hypothetical doesn't mean it's even in the same universe as reality.

It'd be pretty easy to figure out the cost. We'd have to move up to 81 for Gillimore. I'm guessing the 3rd rounder plus the first 4th rounder will be about the same amount of points. Leaving the second 3rd rounder. I'll play my own hypothetical. We don't have to trade up for Dantlzer very much. It only took a 7th rounder, because in my hypothetical he falls further than we expected like Jefferson. And we have plenty of picks left over. (1-4th, 2-5ths, 2-6ths, and 2-7ths). These hypotheticals are fun

Reality to trade up to 81 or higher because we didn't know what pick was going to be used on Gallimore would have cost 89-105-and 117. Then of course Dantzler would have just fell to us at 132 because we were stupid to take him at 89 (sarcasm). Whenever we question the wisdom of trading up or back of course we are working in hypotheticals. Why did you feel the need to say I was totally guessing when I already said it? It's one thing to debate. That's cool. It's another to debate with a very snide attitude.

Everyone has an opinion - I'm good with that - you like having 13 picks on day 3. Trying to support it with this made up scenario on who you believe might have been our next most likely trade up target; I just don't get it (it doesn't support it at all). Then doubling down on it... I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

It would take the 89th 105th and the 117th to move up 8 spots? They would have to give something back to balance it out. I'm too tired to look it up.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:23:24 AM

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Difference between the 81st and 89th is 40 points. The 117th is 60 points. That fourth would have taken us to the 77th pick.

A 7th would have taken us from 105 to 101. Dantzler would have had to fall 12 spots.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:42:16 AM

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Difference between the 81st and 89th is 40 points. The 117th is 60 points. That fourth would have taken us to the 77th pick.

A 7th would have taken us from 105 to 101. Dantzler would have had to fall 12 spots.

Those numbers aren't right. If they are we really got a bargain on the trade back from 105. The numbers I heard were 105 is worth 31 points and the four picks we got are worth 30 points combined. Double check them.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:45:20 AM

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For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?

The second two are red herrings. No evidence suggests we tried to trade up for Ezra. The player we tried to trade up for was Gillimore. And no one will be able to answer whether it was a good move for 2-3 years. But right now, I would rather have Gillimore and a trade up for Dantzler and "only" have 9 draft picks on day 3.

I'm totally guessing, but Cleveland IMO is the most likely player we would have targeted in a trade up. Gallimore and Elliott were the two best DTs according to most. We almost certainly could have traded up for Elliott with 105. Gallimore may have cost more. We most likely did not have the draft capital to trade up for either and still get Dantzler.

You are totally guessing. And just because someone was "most likely" in your hypothetical doesn't mean it's even in the same universe as reality.

It'd be pretty easy to figure out the cost. We'd have to move up to 81 for Gillimore. I'm guessing the 3rd rounder plus the first 4th rounder will be about the same amount of points. Leaving the second 3rd rounder. I'll play my own hypothetical. We don't have to trade up for Dantlzer very much. It only took a 7th rounder, because in my hypothetical he falls further than we expected like Jefferson. And we have plenty of picks left over. (1-4th, 2-5ths, 2-6ths, and 2-7ths). These hypotheticals are fun

Reality to trade up to 81 or higher because we didn't know what pick was going to be used on Gallimore would have cost 89-105-and 117. Then of course Dantzler would have just fell to us at 132 because we were stupid to take him at 89 (sarcasm). Whenever we question the wisdom of trading up or back of course we are working in hypotheticals. Why did you feel the need to say I was totally guessing when I already said it? It's one thing to debate. That's cool. It's another to debate with a very snide attitude.

Everyone has an opinion - I'm good with that - you like having 13 picks on day 3. Trying to support it with this made up scenario on who you believe might have been our next most likely trade up target; I just don't get it (it doesn't support it at all). Then doubling down on it... I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

It would take the 89th 105th and the 117th to move up 8 spots? They would have to give something back to balance it out. I'm too tired to look it up.

Of course I like having 13 picks today. I would like to have every pick today and I would have liked to have every pick day one and two. We drafted Cleveland so that's the reason I'm guessing he would have been a trade up target. It makes sense. We drafted Jefferson in the first and it's documented that we tried to trade up for him.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:47:04 AM

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Players to be considered early today:
James Lynch DL
Kevin Dotson G
Tyler Johnson WR
Amik Robertson CB (slot)
Ben Bartch OL
JR Reed S
Leki Fotu DT

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:55:38 AM

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Is it possible we could own the entire 7th round if we traded down all of the ammassed draft capital? work out the numbers...

That would be fun!

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 6:55:54 AM

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Players to be considered early today:
James Lynch DL
Kevin Dotson G
Tyler Johnson WR
Amik Robertson CB (slot)
Ben Bartch OL
JR Reed S
Leki Fotu DT

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Give me Simpson, and Biadasz over Dotson. Give me K'von Wallace over Reed. No mention of Weaver?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:08:44 AM

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Winner: Vikings

Like the Cowboys, the Vikings were the beneficiary of having players with Day 1 talent fall to them on Day 2. With the 58th pick, Minnesota was able to acquire former Boise State lineman Ezra Cleveland, who, according to CBS Sports NFL draft analysis Chris Trapasso, is the "perfect fit" for the Vikings' zone-blocking scheme because of his "high-level short-area athleticism."

Minnesota, who was able to select former TCU cornerback Jeff Gladney near the end of the first round, was able to further add to their cornerback room on Friday night, drafting Mississippi State's Cameron Dantzler with the 89th pick. While his size (he's only 188 pounds) and unimpressive 40 time at the combine likely led to him being available in the third round, Dantzler possesses plenty of upside that includes his natural ball skills, versatility and a feisty attitude that should serve him well at the next level.

The Vikings capped off their successful Day 2 of the draft by acquiring four Day 3 picks from the Saints in exchange for the 105th pick. Minnesota enters Day 3 with a staggering 13 draft picks.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2020-nfl-draft-day-2-winners-and-losers-panthers-load-up-on-defense-packers-make-more-head-scratching-moves/

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:11:13 AM

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Jokes about 40 times aside, the Vikings did not *uck around about getting corners who eat receivers in press

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:12:15 AM

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Dantzler is a tremendous value.
Only gave up 1 TD in last 2yrs... in the SEC! And shut down Ja’Marr Chase.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:15:53 AM

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http://www.mnvikingscorner.com/2020/04/could-ezra-cleveland-follow-brian.html

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:30:26 AM

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https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-13-picks-day-three-day-nfl-draft

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:39:51 AM

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You may want to save this on one of your tabs. I'm pretty sure that some of these guys will be Vikings.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-available-prospects-day-3-2020-nfl-draft/

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:52:24 AM

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I was busy and didn't hardly pay attention to the draft last night.

Sounds like 7th rd Rick was up to his usual trade down BS. After reading some of the comments I'm kind of glad I didn't watch that would have been extremely frustrating.

A lot of really good players came off the board in rd 2.

KG- what was with Josh Jones? fell all the way to like 72. Hope Cleveland is better than him.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 7:52:43 AM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/

So much for talk of him wanting to play with Cousins and Vikes having legitimate feelers out...

He probably looked at Tunsil's new contract and our cap situation.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 8:00:02 AM

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I'm very intrigued by Kenny Robinson the Safety from the XFL. I hope he's on our radar for today.

After reading his story I think it would be a great pick. Seems mature and speaks well.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 8:14:29 AM

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This is a little longer of Spielman speaking of what has transpired. You can listen while you go to other web locations.

https://www.vikings.com/video/spielman-explains-friday-s-selections-of-cleveland-and-dantzler-preview-s-saturd

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 8:18:35 AM

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Dantzler is a tremendous value.
Only gave up 1 TD in last 2yrs... in the SEC! And shut down Ja’Marr Chase.
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Size, ball skills. Only weakness is something easily corrected in the weight room.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 8:19:09 AM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/

So much for talk of him wanting to play with Cousins and Vikes having legitimate feelers out...

He probably looked at Tunsil's new contract and our cap situation.

Or maybe he hates Cousins guts.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/25/2020 8:19:15 AM

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Just my opinion, but, I believe this could be one of those strange seasons when you get a lot of great players after the third round. Whether it's the COVID-19 effect or whatever, some of the players that got drafted should not have been drafted that early. You've got guys getting drafted from LSU and Bama right now that are generally 4th-6th round picks. It's almost as if the scouts have been paralyzed and are just running on instincts. Most of these houses look like nothing more than my fantasy football draft.

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