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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 2:23:15 PM

Bill Jandro

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After the fourth round, I see nothing but practice dummies. All of the movement after the fourth round with trades and such is just arrogance and nonsense. No need to have that many fifth, sixth and seventh round picks. Most of the guys would have been available as UDFA.

BINGO

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 2:33:28 PM

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Assuming our draft picks in the first 3 rounds all pan out, we could really be set up for 2021. We can dump Reiff's big contract, our oline will be young and cheap at both T positions, and we'll be young and cheap at CB. Our WR corps will also be cheaper without Diggs contract. Unfortunately, this year we still have BIG question marks at CB, WR, and OL.

Taking a look at the (likely) post-draft roster, the Vikings have a few needs to fill out via FA. There will be some vets cuts, hopefully a few that can contribute to the Vikings:

CB - we have an influx of talent but almost no NFL experience at the position
S - need depth with NFL experience
OG - currently 3 guards on the roster and one is Eflein(!). Samia will man one spot (33 total snaps in the NFL) and if one of our T move to guard they will have zero NFL experience. Dicey.
WR - very thin at the position, should add a vet with deep speed

If everything breaks right for the Vikings they should be competitive this year, but currently teams like the 49ers and Chiefs seem like they're in a different league than us.

Good stuff. I would add DE and DT to the mix. We were one of the youngest teams the last couple years and got younger. Makes sense to bring Griff back. Be a big year for guys like Watt/Irv to step up.
Guards we have Elf, Collins, Samia, Dozier, Jones - right? Not counting the late rounders drafted.

I think we are more talented in areas than last year (T, CB) and less in others (WR). I enjoy rooting for young players trying to make it vs declining vets.

This was slated to be a rough off-season for sure, and was made more problematic with Diggs leaving
I think as of right now this is probably a 9 and 7 or 10 and 6 type team with enough talent to compete
Should have enough talent to compete for a wild card or NFC North title
We need a couple of these rookies to shine for sure
There is a fair amount riding on them for sure
Let’s remember though Rhodes was freaking terrible, so hard to not upgrade
I’m hopeful with Kubiak more hands on he can get this line and Cousins more in synch
I wouldn’t pencil in San Fran just yet. They were not that far off from Chicago 2 years ago. Garrapalo did not look good and will have to raise his play
KC has Mahomes which we will just never have in the near future

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 2:50:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Assuming our draft picks in the first 3 rounds all pan out, we could really be set up for 2021. We can dump Reiff's big contract, our oline will be young and cheap at both T positions, and we'll be young and cheap at CB. Our WR corps will also be cheaper without Diggs contract. Unfortunately, this year we still have BIG question marks at CB, WR, and OL.

Taking a look at the (likely) post-draft roster, the Vikings have a few needs to fill out via FA. There will be some vets cuts, hopefully a few that can contribute to the Vikings:

CB - we have an influx of talent but almost no NFL experience at the position
S - need depth with NFL experience
OG - currently 3 guards on the roster and one is Eflein(!). Samia will man one spot (33 total snaps in the NFL) and if one of our T move to guard they will have zero NFL experience. Dicey.
WR - very thin at the position, should add a vet with deep speed

If everything breaks right for the Vikings they should be competitive this year, but currently teams like the 49ers and Chiefs seem like they're in a different league than us.

Good stuff. I would add DE and DT to the mix. We were one of the youngest teams the last couple years and got younger. Makes sense to bring Griff back. Be a big year for guys like Watt/Irv to step up.
Guards we have Elf, Collins, Samia, Dozier, Jones - right? Not counting the late rounders drafted.

I think we are more talented in areas than last year (T, CB) and less in others (WR). I enjoy rooting for young players trying to make it vs declining vets.

This was slated to be a rough off-season for sure, and was made more problematic with Diggs leaving
I think as of right now this is probably a 9 and 7 or 10 and 6 type team with enough talent to compete
Should have enough talent to compete for a wild card or NFC North title
We need a couple of these rookies to shine for sure
There is a fair amount riding on them for sure
Let’s remember though Rhodes was freaking terrible, so hard to not upgrade
I’m hopeful with Kubiak more hands on he can get this line and Cousins more in synch
I wouldn’t pencil in San Fran just yet. They were not that far off from Chicago 2 years ago. Garrapalo did not look good and will have to raise his play
KC has Mahomes which we will just never have in the near future

Arlowe - do you think with JJ, Irv, and hopefully Thielen not missing as many games we can make up for the loss of Diggs ?

Last year I had a pretty tight window of wins/losses. I wouldn't be surprised if we have as few wins as 6/7 or as high as 10/11 this year.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:05:24 PM

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I'm especially interested in his punt returns here, which look really good. One thing that is good is that the Vikings will have more roster players this season. They will be able to stash someone like this who will only be a return guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-SgoaJF5Kk

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:05:51 PM

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I kinda like that bit on Udoh...sounds like he could fit many places

based on how the draft played out, they must think a couple of those developmental guys can take the next step...

this is where we see if some of the "development" that has purportedly been happening has happened like it should...

you would like to think a 2nd round LT (Cleveland) wouldn't need a year to be groomed, but the third day guys (Samia and Udoh), yes

So, if Cleveland is legit at LT and Reiff can move inside to LG, Udoh at RG (6-5, 325 sounds prototypical road grader RG) and O'Neil stays at RT, hate to disrupt a good thing there...

or if we jettison Reiff and Samia is solid at RG, maybe Udoh is a potential LG

seems like lots of potential

In Cleveland's case, it's more a question of strength than anything else. If he has the play strength to go against vets, he may have the savvy, technique, processing skills, and coachability to play sooner rather than later.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:10:32 PM

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Unome (sp) really nailed the team's thoughts on CB. I was completely wrong heading into the draft. Picking up Gladney and Dentzler pls developmental guys makes me think Hughes health is still a big question. Boyd might not be further along than I thought. Hill - talent and/or suspension risk?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:11:53 PM

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Lacina the next Ham?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:14:58 PM

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quote:

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I kinda like that bit on Udoh...sounds like he could fit many places

based on how the draft played out, they must think a couple of those developmental guys can take the next step...

this is where we see if some of the "development" that has purportedly been happening has happened like it should...

you would like to think a 2nd round LT (Cleveland) wouldn't need a year to be groomed, but the third day guys (Samia and Udoh), yes

So, if Cleveland is legit at LT and Reiff can move inside to LG, Udoh at RG (6-5, 325 sounds prototypical road grader RG) and O'Neil stays at RT, hate to disrupt a good thing there...

or if we jettison Reiff and Samia is solid at RG, maybe Udoh is a potential LG

seems like lots of potential

In Cleveland's case, it's more a question of strength than anything else. If he has the play strength to go against vets, he may have the savvy, technique, processing skills, and coachability to play sooner rather than later.

They are talking about Cleveland starting out at guard, but if he is lacking at play strength at OT, he really would be lacking vs. some of the DT bullies in our division. It's just my opinion and I'm not an expert, Cleveland has to be a tackle and not a guard. I believe that Reiff is not a natural LT. Corey Chavous said that. If he remains on the team, I would try him at guard.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:17:14 PM

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Cleveland isn't a G

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:17:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I kinda like that bit on Udoh...sounds like he could fit many places

based on how the draft played out, they must think a couple of those developmental guys can take the next step...

this is where we see if some of the "development" that has purportedly been happening has happened like it should...

you would like to think a 2nd round LT (Cleveland) wouldn't need a year to be groomed, but the third day guys (Samia and Udoh), yes

So, if Cleveland is legit at LT and Reiff can move inside to LG, Udoh at RG (6-5, 325 sounds prototypical road grader RG) and O'Neil stays at RT, hate to disrupt a good thing there...

or if we jettison Reiff and Samia is solid at RG, maybe Udoh is a potential LG

seems like lots of potential

In Cleveland's case, it's more a question of strength than anything else. If he has the play strength to go against vets, he may have the savvy, technique, processing skills, and coachability to play sooner rather than later.

They are talking about Cleveland starting out at guard, but if he is lacking at play strength at OT, he really would be lacking vs. some of the DT bullies in our division. It's just my opinion and I'm not an expert, Cleveland has to be a tackle and not a guard. I believe that Reiff is not a natural LT. Corey Chavous said that. If he remains on the team, I would try him at guard.

I agree with all of this, Bruce, though I don't see Reiff staying as an "if" this year with so many questions. I think he stays and next year maybe renegotiate or cut depending on how things develop this year----pun intended.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:20:47 PM

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Vikings with the best draft grade average. The toughest grader gave the Vikings an A+. The Packers had the worst grade and it wasn't even close.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/vikings-draft-class-praised-as-best-in-nfl

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:22:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I kinda like that bit on Udoh...sounds like he could fit many places

based on how the draft played out, they must think a couple of those developmental guys can take the next step...

this is where we see if some of the "development" that has purportedly been happening has happened like it should...

you would like to think a 2nd round LT (Cleveland) wouldn't need a year to be groomed, but the third day guys (Samia and Udoh), yes

So, if Cleveland is legit at LT and Reiff can move inside to LG, Udoh at RG (6-5, 325 sounds prototypical road grader RG) and O'Neil stays at RT, hate to disrupt a good thing there...

or if we jettison Reiff and Samia is solid at RG, maybe Udoh is a potential LG

seems like lots of potential

In Cleveland's case, it's more a question of strength than anything else. If he has the play strength to go against vets, he may have the savvy, technique, processing skills, and coachability to play sooner rather than later.

They are talking about Cleveland starting out at guard, but if he is lacking at play strength at OT, he really would be lacking vs. some of the DT bullies in our division. It's just my opinion and I'm not an expert, Cleveland has to be a tackle and not a guard. I believe that Reiff is not a natural LT. Corey Chavous said that. If he remains on the team, I would try him at guard.

I think I'm gun shy from Remmers. I really do not think Reiff would be a good guard. And at 13M - you should be getting pro bowl level there. He'd probably be an upgrade in pass protection but a downgrade from Elf in run blocking. Think he can pull well enough?

I'm not sure about the new CBA cut rules - post June. Used to be you could spread out the cap hit. If it's still in place, keep him around, try him at G. See if Ezra is ready to. Still have the option to cut or trade him.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:23:07 PM

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Reiff 13M with 4.4 cap hit. Next year 14M with 2M cap hit.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:23:36 PM

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After the fourth round, I see nothing but practice dummies. All of the movement after the fourth round with trades and such is just arrogance and nonsense. No need to have that many fifth, sixth and seventh round picks. Most of the guys would have been available as UDFA.

BINGO

NFL Network had a graph that showed 65% of the players in the NFL are 4th Round and later.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:25:09 PM

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Vikings with the best draft grade average:

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/vikings-draft-class-praised-as-best-in-nfl

When you have that many picks, you can have 7 guys that bomb and still have a great draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:28:16 PM

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After the fourth round, I see nothing but practice dummies. All of the movement after the fourth round with trades and such is just arrogance and nonsense. No need to have that many fifth, sixth and seventh round picks. Most of the guys would have been available as UDFA.

BINGO

NFL Network had a graph that showed 65% of the players in the NFL are 4th Round and later.

Whenever a player deep in the draft is even close to equivalent to a veteran the young player gets the advantage because of the cheaper salary. A lot of the sixth and seventh rounders, in particular, need to go the route of the practice squad to develop for awhile, but they can still make the back end of a roster in time.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:32:52 PM

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This Kyle Yates from I believe Rotoworld on the Vikings draft:

The Vikings handled day three of the draft masterfully. They added some incredible depth on their roster at key positions, including taking three corners overall in this draft, and also acquired future picks that can help them move around the board in future years. There may actually be too may bodies on their roster right now, which would mean that they’ll have some tough decisions to make come the end of training camp, but that’s a very good problem to have. The Vikings nailed this draft from the beginning to the end.

edit: He's actually from a different site, but I love it.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:33:12 PM

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We seem to have good special teams as well; a place where a lot of these young guys contribute.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:35:33 PM

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I love this.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1254219854787248130

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:44:37 PM

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:51:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I kinda like that bit on Udoh...sounds like he could fit many places

based on how the draft played out, they must think a couple of those developmental guys can take the next step...

this is where we see if some of the "development" that has purportedly been happening has happened like it should...

you would like to think a 2nd round LT (Cleveland) wouldn't need a year to be groomed, but the third day guys (Samia and Udoh), yes

So, if Cleveland is legit at LT and Reiff can move inside to LG, Udoh at RG (6-5, 325 sounds prototypical road grader RG) and O'Neil stays at RT, hate to disrupt a good thing there...

or if we jettison Reiff and Samia is solid at RG, maybe Udoh is a potential LG

seems like lots of potential

In Cleveland's case, it's more a question of strength than anything else. If he has the play strength to go against vets, he may have the savvy, technique, processing skills, and coachability to play sooner rather than later.

They are talking about Cleveland starting out at guard, but if he is lacking at play strength at OT, he really would be lacking vs. some of the DT bullies in our division. It's just my opinion and I'm not an expert, Cleveland has to be a tackle and not a guard. I believe that Reiff is not a natural LT. Corey Chavous said that. If he remains on the team, I would try him at guard.

"They" are talking about Cleveland starting out at tackle.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 3:55:12 PM

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Vikings with the best draft grade average:

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/vikings-draft-class-praised-as-best-in-nfl

When you have that many picks, you can have 7 guys that bomb and still have a great draft.

Plus when Spiel's simply picks the guys in a draft mag who have a picture, these blog experts go banana's.... automatic A for the pick.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 4:08:26 PM

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After the fourth round, I see nothing but practice dummies. All of the movement after the fourth round with trades and such is just arrogance and nonsense. No need to have that many fifth, sixth and seventh round picks. Most of the guys would have been available as UDFA.

BINGO

Available in a bidding war. Look I don't necessarily disagree. 5,6,7 guys look interchangeable with udfa's ut I think I they did a lot of good work bringing in talent this year. Some real solid selections and many chances to shake something loose.

You of course know which extra 4th round guy we should have traded up for that would net better results. Or you're just your typical grumblepuss self...

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 4:17:54 PM

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Assuming our draft picks in the first 3 rounds all pan out, we could really be set up for 2021. We can dump Reiff's big contract, our oline will be young and cheap at both T positions, and we'll be young and cheap at CB. Our WR corps will also be cheaper without Diggs contract. Unfortunately, this year we still have BIG question marks at CB, WR, and OL.

Taking a look at the (likely) post-draft roster, the Vikings have a few needs to fill out via FA. There will be some vets cuts, hopefully a few that can contribute to the Vikings:

CB - we have an influx of talent but almost no NFL experience at the position
S - need depth with NFL experience
OG - currently 3 guards on the roster and one is Eflein(!). Samia will man one spot (33 total snaps in the NFL) and if one of our T move to guard they will have zero NFL experience. Dicey.
WR - very thin at the position, should add a vet with deep speed

If everything breaks right for the Vikings they should be competitive this year, but currently teams like the 49ers and Chiefs seem like they're in a different league than us.

Good stuff. I would add DE and DT to the mix. We were one of the youngest teams the last couple years and got younger. Makes sense to bring Griff back. Be a big year for guys like Watt/Irv to step up.
Guards we have Elf, Collins, Samia, Dozier, Jones - right? Not counting the late rounders drafted.

I think we are more talented in areas than last year (T, CB) and less in others (WR). I enjoy rooting for young players trying to make it vs declining vets.

Take a look at the projected roster + factor in post June 1st cuts have been a mirage for a decade. Outside of a vet S... the annual veteran "big" safety who is always brought in then cut... and maybe a one-dimensional speedster at WR (cue CPAPerson), who would you bring in to take snaps away from those under contract?

DE and DT are already overmanned.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/26/2020 4:26:11 PM

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CB: Hughes, Hill, Gladney, Dantzler are locks. Do you cut Hand, Boyd, and Fields (PS?) for a vet bandaid thereby ensuring more players like Samia won't have snaps?

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