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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

More on our first pick. It says he will be good beating the press and catches everything.

https://climbingthepocket.com/2020/05/06/scouting-report-justin-jefferson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Bruce thank you for sharing all this information on the draft!

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

You might have to bring that one to the Conspiracy thread ....7th round pick so a lot of teams thought less of him than the Vikes--do you think he is better than Diggs, Thielen, and Bisi? You have 2 Pro Bowlers for WR....pretty high standard you have for Mitchell.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

Zimmer held me back as well. I always KNEW I was NFL Nose Tackle material so I sent him a clip of me benching 40 reps and still no camp invite. OK, to be fair, it was 40 reps of just the bar and I filmed it in 3 takes. He responded "LOL" and implied I was a bit light for a Nose Tackle. I then told him that "I weighed 480 lbs., on Jupiter, and, anyway, I believe in mind over matter, so there". He then insured me that if the NFL ever plays a game on Jupiter that he would give me a call. So I have that in my back pocket, which is nice.

You cannot prove this story one way or another.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

You might have to bring that one to the Conspiracy thread ....7th round pick so a lot of teams thought less of him than the Vikes--do you think he is better than Diggs, Thielen, and Bisi? You have 2 Pro Bowlers for WR....pretty high standard you have for Mitchell.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

Zimmer held me back as well. I always KNEW I was NFL Nose Tackle material so I sent him a clip of me benching 40 reps and still no camp invite. OK, to be fair, it was 40 reps of just the bar and I filmed it in 3 takes. He responded "LOL" and implied I was a bit light for a Nose Tackle. I then told him that "I weighed 480 lbs., on Jupiter, and, anyway, I believe in mind over matter, so there". He then insured me that if the NFL ever plays a game on Jupiter that he would give me a call. So I have that in my back pocket, which is nice.

You cannot prove this story one way or another.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

I read an article that suggest Cleveland is more pro ready than ONeil. Can't find it now but it said ONeil had been adding weight, waking up to eat PnJ sandwiches at 3am. And still was only 297 when drafted. Where Cleveland has been around 315 lbs for several years. I think his combine weight was 311.

I don't think its a stretch to believe he can build core strength and add 5-10 lbs between now and training camp.

I'm psyched for Cleveland. As I already posted those who are acting like he's 100% not ready are going to be looking silly after the season. I'm not declaring stardom this year, but I am declaring him to be ready to hold his own.

Hopefully Zimmer can restrain himself from diabolically sabotaging Cleveland's opportunity.

That guy really has it in for you.

I stand by my belief that Zimmer has unfairly held Mitchell back. It can't be proven one way or another.

It is the least likely explanation. Most likely, it’s about Mitchell, not Zimmer ....

and you not being able to admit when you are wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

+1 Pager

Rookies aren't always ready their first year....Diggs, Thielen....Even a possible top 10 WR of all time (CC). Learning a playbook, etc. take time. I just see a lot of guys in front of Mitchell success. Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Hollins, Beebe.....plus they drafted a 5th rounder, signed Sharpe, a couple of UDFA. Hard to agree with you at face value. I don't think it has anything to do with Zimmer. He let Bisi play last year.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The exception being Sloter.

That was all Zimmer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

+1 Pager

Rookies aren't always ready their first year....Diggs, Thielen....Even a possible top 10 WR of all time (CC). Learning a playbook, etc. take time. I just see a lot of guys in front of Mitchell success. Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Hollins, Beebe.....plus they drafted a 5th rounder, signed Sharpe, a couple of UDFA. Hard to agree with you at face value. I don't think it has anything to do with Zimmer. He let Bisi play last year.

Diggs was absolutely ready his first year. Just because it took Zimmer 4 games to see it doesn't make it so. His first 3 NFL games:

1. 6 reception, 87 yards - and he made Denver's All-Pro CBs look silly multiple times.
2. 7 receptions, 109 yards.
3. 6 receptions, 108 yards and a TD.

And despite only playing ~60% of the snaps, ended up leading the team in receptions, receiving yards and was one off the lead for receiving TDs.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

+1 Pager

Rookies aren't always ready their first year....Diggs, Thielen....Even a possible top 10 WR of all time (CC). Learning a playbook, etc. take time. I just see a lot of guys in front of Mitchell success. Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Hollins, Beebe.....plus they drafted a 5th rounder, signed Sharpe, a couple of UDFA. Hard to agree with you at face value. I don't think it has anything to do with Zimmer. He let Bisi play last year.

Diggs was absolutely ready his first year. Just because it took Zimmer 4 games to see it doesn't make it so. His first 3 NFL games:

1. 6 reception, 87 yards - and he made Denver's All-Pro CBs look silly multiple times.
2. 7 receptions, 109 yards.
3. 6 receptions, 108 yards and a TD.

And despite only playing ~60% of the snaps, ended up leading the team in receptions, receiving yards and was one off the lead for receiving TDs.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Pager

The Vikings have promoted/played UDFAs and 7th rounders without qualms (on both sides of the ball) which destroys KGB's conspiracy theory. Zimmer didn't make the call. Stefanski/Kubiak made the call. Kubiak doesn't have a history of a bias, at least to my knowledge. If Mitchell was proficient in the areas needed to be a contributing WR in the NFL, I think he'd be playing.

+1 Pager

Rookies aren't always ready their first year....Diggs, Thielen....Even a possible top 10 WR of all time (CC). Learning a playbook, etc. take time. I just see a lot of guys in front of Mitchell success. Thielen, Jefferson, Bisi, Hollins, Beebe.....plus they drafted a 5th rounder, signed Sharpe, a couple of UDFA. Hard to agree with you at face value. I don't think it has anything to do with Zimmer. He let Bisi play last year.

Diggs was absolutely ready his first year. Just because it took Zimmer 4 games to see it doesn't make it so. His first 3 NFL games:

1. 6 reception, 87 yards - and he made Denver's All-Pro CBs look silly multiple times.
2. 7 receptions, 109 yards.
3. 6 receptions, 108 yards and a TD.

And despite only playing ~60% of the snaps, ended up leading the team in receptions, receiving yards and was one off the lead for receiving TDs.

Evidence that the Vikings coaching staff doesn't always get it right. Hopefully Mitchell will emerge this season.