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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:36:09 AM

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Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

I don't like it. Wrong Baylor player. Not bad really. I hate the Van Jefferson pick. Old and unproductive and slow. Gladney, Winfield, Wilson and Hunt all seem to be good values. How did we get pick 90? Looks like we lost pick 105.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:39:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

Eeewww!

Hate that draft....

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:43:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

Eeewww!
Hate that draft....

Yep...worse case draft....

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:52:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

Eeewww!
Hate that draft....

Yep...worse case draft....

Replace Van Jefferson with an actually good WR and I think that would be a pretty good draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 9:13:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

Eeewww!
Hate that draft....

Yep...worse case draft....

Replace Van Jefferson with an actually good WR and I think that would be a pretty good draft.

If the draft started to fall like this, move up, not down.

There may not be a college football season next year and next years draft could be a complete unknown. I wouldn't mind spending some of next years assets to
improve this years class. I wouldn't mind moving up at both 22 and 58, depending on how the draft falls and we can't get a player we covet by standing pat.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 9:27:29 AM

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Some early returns from the Draft Positions thread, which is to guess what positions the regime will pick in order:

CB. 75% expect CB to be addressed with teams first pick; 100% expect CB addressed by the third pick
G/OL. 88% expect G or OL to be addressed by the third pick; only one person ranked it taken with the first pick
WR. 50% expect it to be addressed with second pick. 100% addressed by the fifth pick

Notable groupings:
DE. 63% expect the fourth pick will be a DE
CB2 (a second CB). 40% expect the sixth pick will be another CB

QB. In rankings twice, once with the fifth pick and once with the seventh pick.

So majority wise, the order right now is
CB
WR
G
DE

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 10:16:53 AM

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Bleacher Report has us taking Aiyuk then Gladney. Works for me!

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:06:15 AM

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I could see the Vikings first three picks all coming from the same school.
Gladney
Reagor
Blacklock

all from TCU.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:15:18 AM

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Skornorth has mentioned it....we have the draft capital. We don't have a QBOTF. Do you grab a QBOTF in Tua with injury and him dropping?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:26:49 AM

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Most mocks show Tua going to Miami at #5. There has been some talk of the Dolphins passing on him and taking Herbert, but most consider that a smoke screen. The Vikes would have to spend a lot of draft capital to move up high enough to take him.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:42:45 AM

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What if he drops to 15?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:43:08 AM

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Cousins extended + multiple needs + deep draft = no way in he!! do they draft Tua in even a mid-level trade up.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:46:33 AM

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There is literally zero chance of Tua falling to #15. I'm not even going to bother speculating whether it would be a good move or not.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:58:43 AM

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Sounds like it is going to be a tough year for rookies....this hasn't happened since 2011.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29082908/players-say-sean-payton-informs-saints-no-offseason-program-spring

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 12:05:25 PM

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Sounds like it is going to be a tough year for rookies....this hasn't happened since 2011.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29082908/players-say-sean-payton-informs-saints-no-offseason-program-spring

What are the odds for the teams playing before empty stadiums? At the very least don't you think that will happen?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 2:13:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

Eeewww!
Hate that draft....

Yep...worse case draft....

Who cares if mock drafts that won't reflect reality are good or not.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:04:57 PM

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https://www.skornorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-22-at-12.37.55-AM.png

Skornorth full 7 rounder

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:10:25 PM

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Skornorth has mentioned it....we have the draft capital. We don't have a QBOTF. Do you grab a QBOTF in Tua with injury and him dropping?

Years and years before we have to worry about a qbotf.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:20:27 PM

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Skornorth has mentioned it....we have the draft capital. We don't have a QBOTF. Do you grab a QBOTF in Tua with injury and him dropping?

Years and years before we have to worry about a qbotf.

I don't agree....how many good QBs did we have in our 15-1 year? It isn't just a QBOTF....it is a stud backup too. Same as RB.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:30:05 PM

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https://www.skornorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-22-at-12.37.55-AM.png

Skornorth full 7 rounder

Lynn Bowden a gadget player only with our 2nd round pick. I've always thought that the SKOR people were idiots and that just confirmed my suspicion.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:35:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Arif and Chad (from the Athletic Mock 6.0 only first 3 rounds). They will have one more best case on Thursday.

Top 4 tackles, top 2 CB and Fulton, and the top 3 WRS plus Jefferson, Higgins, Teagor, and Shenault are already off of the board. (kind of a worst case scenario mock with Twitter voting for picks)

(22) 1. Trade down with Browns and get picks 41,74, and 187
(25) 1. Jeff Gladney CB (picked over Mims, Austin Jackson, and DT Ross Blacklock)
(41) 2. Antoine Winfield S (picked over Austin Jackson and Pittman)
(58) 2. Isiah Wilson OT G (picked over DT Nevilee Gallimore and WR Bryan Edwards)
(74) 3. Van Jefferson, WR Florida ( picked over G Roberth Hunt and DT James Lynch)
(89) 3. Robert Hunt G Louisiana-Lafayatte (picked over DT James Lynch and WR Gabriel Davis
(90) 3. James Lynch DT Baylor

Eeewww!
Hate that draft....

Yep...worse case draft....

Don't agree at all.

I much prefer other WRs than Jefferson early third but otherwise it's fine.

Now, if you weigh them against the available players ... me no like.

I think people in here are going to like our actual draft a lot less than this one.
(No way Spielman focuses on our glaring holes the way us mockers do. CB, OL, WR in first four picks would be outstanding – there's no way that's actually happening)

However ...

Re-arrange a bit, throw out Jefferson and replace with a third rd CB and ...

CB Gladney
WR Pittman
RT Isaiah Wilson
G Robert Hunt
CB Dane Jackson (?)
DT James Lynch

Add
S K'von Wallace (4th)
WR Donovan Peoples-Jones (5th)
DE Derrek Tuszka (6th)
OG Julian Good-Jones (6th)
TE Sean McKeon (7th)
S Nigel Warrior (7th)
LB Shaun Bradley(7th)

... it's SUPER BOWL baby.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:42:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Skornorth has mentioned it....we have the draft capital. We don't have a QBOTF. Do you grab a QBOTF in Tua with injury and him dropping?

Years and years before we have to worry about a qbotf.

Packers did that when they had a HOFer playing every game.
They ended up with a second HOFer.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:42:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

https://www.skornorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Screen-Shot-2020-04-22-at-12.37.55-AM.png

Skornorth full 7 rounder

Lynn Bowden a gadget player only with our 2nd round pick. I've always thought that the SKOR people were idiots and that just confirmed my suspicion.

I would be very happy with Gladney and Ruiz although they are not outstanding values (higher valued prospects that drop into our laps).

Really like S Burgess ... think K'von Wallace is more of a safety (with CB experience) than CB (with safety experience).

Don't like Bowden at all. Nor Winnebagos.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 3:43:31 PM

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Cousins extended + multiple needs + deep draft = no way in he!! do they draft Tua in even a mid-level trade up.

More likely scenario is Tua falls to us and we trade out of our pick so some other team can draft Tua and we add a few picks.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 4:01:32 PM

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Personally, I would stay away from WR in rounds 1 through 3. I think this WR class is way overrated. Don't really see any difference makers, and most of thee guys are just as likely to be busts. We drafted Diggs late, and Treadwell early (most "pro ready" WR wasn't even close). Remember guys like him and Doctson as "can't miss"

I watch these guys and most look like okay WRs with more downside, than upside.

This class is way more deep than top end talented IMO.

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