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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:45:51 PM

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How many offensive coordinators now since Zimmer became head coach?

63

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:47:01 PM

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Again?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:47:09 PM

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How many offensive coordinators now since Zimmer became head coach?

Looked it up. Assuming there's a 'next year' we will have our sixth OC in eight seasons with Zimmer. That seems not so good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:47:26 PM

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And with him the archaic playcalling where you run headlong into a wall of defenders five strait plays even when it isn't working for shit.

Yet we still threw for 4200 yards and Cook had his best year.

With our interior line I think Kubiak did pretty well. Not outstanding but pretty well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:47:26 PM

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How many offensive coordinators now since Zimmer became head coach?

63

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:48:37 PM

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And with him the archaic playcalling where you run headlong into a wall of defenders five strait plays even when it isn't working for shit.

Yet we still threw for 4200 yards.

With our interior line I think Kubiak did pretty well. Not outstanding but pretty well.

Jamies Winston threw for a lot of yards too. It helps when you're trailing more often than not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:49:29 PM

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How many offensive coordinators now since Zimmer became head coach?

Co-coordinator? Assistant to the HC? Consultant? Offensive Coordinator for Rushing?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:49:54 PM

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And with him the archaic playcalling where you run headlong into a wall of defenders five strait plays even when it isn't working for shit.

Yet we still threw for 4200 yards.

With our interior line I think Kubiak did pretty well. Not outstanding but pretty well.

Jamies Winston threw for a lot of yards too. It helps when you're trailing more often than not.

He threw to the other team quite a bit also.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:51:38 PM

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Does Zimmer have another son he can make offensive coordinator?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:55:38 PM

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1. If you want to make the playoffs, win more than 6 games. That said, the Philly move was BS IMO.

2. Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

3. Spielman and Zimmer are both meh. Meh at this point in their tenures should lead to an exit.

4. The Wilfs are apparently fine with meh. They should sell the team to someone who wants more than a playoff berth every other year and disappointing playoff performances.

5. DL, OL, or WR at 14, and trades up instead of down.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:56:44 PM

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How many offensive coordinators now since Zimmer became head coach?

About 2 OCs for every 1 kicker in ZimWorld.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:58:43 PM

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Does Zimmer have another son he can make offensive coordinator?

Maybe his niece or her dog walker for special teams coordinator?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 1:59:06 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:06:56 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:12:03 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

PFF doesn't care if the defender drops the easy INT. He had two plays with those. One where he inexplicably threw it directly to a D-lineman standing all by himself. One of his passes to Jefferson was off the mark by such a degree that it caused Jefferson to lose his balance and fall down where he caught it. There was no defender in sight - easy TD. Kirk also took an early sack where he had plenty of time and just stood there as the lone rusher came at him. He made no attempt to elude the rusher. His rating for the day was accurate. It was the Lions. 3 TDs and 400 yards is the standard against them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:20:54 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

PFF doesn't care if the defender drops the easy INT. He had two plays with those. One where he inexplicably threw it directly to a D-lineman standing all by himself. One of his passes to Jefferson was off the mark by such a degree that it caused Jefferson to lose his balance and fall down where he caught it. There was no defender in sight - easy TD. Kirk also took an early sack where he had plenty of time and just stood there as the lone rusher came at him. He made no attempt to elude the rusher. His rating for the day was accurate. It was the Lions. 3 TDs and 400 yards is the standard against them.

So, we have one near int, a completion that wasn't perfectly thrown and a sack. Yeah, that wipes 400 yds and 3 TD right off the board.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:23:03 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

PFF doesn't care if the defender drops the easy INT. He had two plays with those. One where he inexplicably threw it directly to a D-lineman standing all by himself. One of his passes to Jefferson was off the mark by such a degree that it caused Jefferson to lose his balance and fall down where he caught it. There was no defender in sight - easy TD. Kirk also took an early sack where he had plenty of time and just stood there as the lone rusher came at him. He made no attempt to elude the rusher. His rating for the day was accurate. It was the Lions. 3 TDs and 400 yards is the standard against them.

Lions D is 30th in passing yards allowed and 32nd in passing TDs allowed.

Plus you have to factor in the annual mid-Oct scheme change where they pack up and check out for the season. By the last game they are mentally on the beach in Cabo.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:28:54 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

PFF doesn't care if the defender drops the easy INT. He had two plays with those. One where he inexplicably threw it directly to a D-lineman standing all by himself. One of his passes to Jefferson was off the mark by such a degree that it caused Jefferson to lose his balance and fall down where he caught it. There was no defender in sight - easy TD. Kirk also took an early sack where he had plenty of time and just stood there as the lone rusher came at him. He made no attempt to elude the rusher. His rating for the day was accurate. It was the Lions. 3 TDs and 400 yards is the standard against them.

So, we have one near int, a completion that wasn't perfectly thrown and a sack. Yeah, that wipes 400 yds and 3 TD right off the board.

The Lions allowed an average of 2.4 passing TDs per game this season so big props to Kurt for his additional 0.6 TDs!

He threw 112 yards over what their 30th ranked D allows. Whoo Hoo!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:34:04 PM

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Time and again against the Lions, you could tell Kurt is just a natural born leader. The way he audibled out of bad calls. His pocket presence. The athleticism for today's game.

No way was he going to let the Lions win! Simply put, he oozes IT. $31 million dollars worth of IT, with more of both next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:34:15 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

Wow. Didn't really expect this from you, but the bolded is exactly why I was asking the question. You gave some valid reasons, though that might not be enough to knock him down that far. PFF is not the Bible, Koran, or even the Big Book. Oh wait, none of those are the infallible Word of God, either.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:36:37 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

PFF doesn't care if the defender drops the easy INT. He had two plays with those. One where he inexplicably threw it directly to a D-lineman standing all by himself. One of his passes to Jefferson was off the mark by such a degree that it caused Jefferson to lose his balance and fall down where he caught it. There was no defender in sight - easy TD. Kirk also took an early sack where he had plenty of time and just stood there as the lone rusher came at him. He made no attempt to elude the rusher. His rating for the day was accurate. It was the Lions. 3 TDs and 400 yards is the standard against them.

So, we have one near int, a completion that wasn't perfectly thrown and a sack. Yeah, that wipes 400 yds and 3 TD right off the board.

TWO easy INTs that were dropped and a pass that was so bad it cost the team a TD. The rating is correct. They rewatch every play over and over. Sorry but the performance from yesterday wasn’t excellent it was just good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:37:33 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

I saw the game and I have the same question. He completed 70% of his passes for over 400 yards with 3 TD and no picks.

PFF doesn't care if the defender drops the easy INT. He had two plays with those. One where he inexplicably threw it directly to a D-lineman standing all by himself. One of his passes to Jefferson was off the mark by such a degree that it caused Jefferson to lose his balance and fall down where he caught it. There was no defender in sight - easy TD. Kirk also took an early sack where he had plenty of time and just stood there as the lone rusher came at him. He made no attempt to elude the rusher. His rating for the day was accurate. It was the Lions. 3 TDs and 400 yards is the standard against them.

So, we have one near int, a completion that wasn't perfectly thrown and a sack. Yeah, that wipes 400 yds and 3 TD right off the board.

TWO easy INTs that were dropped and a pass that was so bad it cost the team a TD. The rating is correct. They rewatch every play over and over. Sorry but the performance from yesterday wasn’t excellent it was just good.

PFF is a waste of time. Their grades are in essence meaningless.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:40:03 PM

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The Lions allowed an average of 2.4 passing TDs per game this season so big props to Kurt for his additional 0.6 TDs!

He threw 112 yards over what their 30th ranked D allows. Whoo Hoo!

25% more TD and 40% more yards. The quality of the defense is irrelevant. QB's get rated whether they play good or bad defenses. You still have to execute and actually pile up those numbers. If we're going to play the mitigating factor game, Cousins put up big numbers without Cook and operating behind the shittiest line in football with one of its few good players out of the lineup.

Look, nobody is asking for Cousins to named offensive player of the week. bohum simply raised a good question. You would think those numbers would rate something 60 in PFF's grading regardless of who he played against.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:40:06 PM

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Didn't see the game, but how is Cousins not grading out at at least 66.2? Were the receivers throwing to themselves?

You sort of answered your own question there.

Wow. Didn't really expect this from you, but the bolded is exactly why I was asking the question. You gave some valid reasons, though that might not be enough to knock him down that far. PFF is not the Bible, Koran, or even the Big Book. Oh wait, none of those are the infallible Word of God, either.

I didn’t mean for my comment to be harsh but rather a good natured haha/gotcha type of thing

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2021 2:42:25 PM

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The Lions allowed an average of 2.4 passing TDs per game this season so big props to Kurt for his additional 0.6 TDs!

He threw 112 yards over what their 30th ranked D allows. Whoo Hoo!

25% more TD and 40% more yards. The quality of the defense is irrelevant. QB's get rated whether they play good or bad defenses. You still have to execute and actually pile up those numbers. If we're going to play the mitigating factor game, Cousins put up big numbers without Cook and operating behind the shittiest line in football with one of its few good players out of the lineup.

Look, nobody is asking for Cousins to named offensive player of the week. bohum simply raised a good question. You would think those numbers would rate something 60 in PFF's grading regardless of who he played against.

Which calls into question PFFs entire grading system.

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