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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/20/2020 10:15:06 PM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/20/2020 10:17:23 PM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.

I just read that same idea on Real GM. I like it a lot too.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 7:24:19 AM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.


Isn't PJ a 6'7" PF though? He is talented.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 7:46:28 AM   
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We got the #1 pick in the draft in a year that nobody knows who #1 is.

Figures, just our luck.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 8:12:51 AM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.


Who do you see Golden State taking? Wiseman has been listed in a few mocks; are they looking for some more shooters to back up their old guys?

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 8:57:25 AM   
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Congrats there Wolves fans. Despite this and that, it's still the #1 overall pick.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 9:10:04 AM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.


Isn't PJ a 6'7" PF though? He is talented.

They call him a PF. IMO he would be just fine at SF.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 9:11:09 AM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.


Who do you see Golden State taking? Wiseman has been listed in a few mocks; are they looking for some more shooters to back up their old guys?

Wiseman IMO is the best talent in this draft and would be a great fit for the Warriors.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 9:12:19 AM   
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I think a trade is a strong possibility. I bet Rosas thinks so too. He’s already shown his mad trader tendency. And the wolves have another lower 1st round pick in the mix too. I’d think anything and anyone could be in the mix except maybe Towns and D’lo.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 10:03:50 AM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.


Isn't PJ a 6'7" PF though? He is talented.


He's a terrific 3pt shooter on good volume, so he'd add some much needed size to our roster while still allowing Rosas to stick to his "surround KAT with 4 shooters" philosophy.

He's also a very good defender.

He's likely to be better than anyone in this draft, so its kind of a pipe dream to think we could get him and the #3 for our pick.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 10:06:23 AM   
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PJ Washington and the #3 for the #1 pick would be a steal for us if Charlotte covets Wiseman and is afraid he'll go Top 2.

I think its unlikely, but at least its a move I could see Rosas being interested in.


Who do you see Golden State taking? Wiseman has been listed in a few mocks; are they looking for some more shooters to back up their old guys?


Most likely they trade the pick for someone that can help them make a final run with Steph, Klay and Dray.

If they keep it, I've been seeing some steam about them taking Okongwu as the heir apparent to Draymond.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 10:59:33 AM   
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I think a trade is a strong possibility. I bet Rosas thinks so too. He’s already shown his mad trader tendency. And the wolves have another lower 1st round pick in the mix too. I’d think anything and anyone could be in the mix except maybe Towns and D’lo.

Agreed.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 11:01:54 AM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 11:49:53 AM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 12:34:56 PM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 12:42:29 PM   
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 1:04:58 PM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.



After a COMPLETE overall of a dumpster of a mess he was left with. We will see?

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 1:32:14 PM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.



After a COMPLETE overall of a dumpster of a mess he was left with. We will see?

I liked Rosas trade deadline maneuvers last year, but if we suck this year and that pick to Golden state ends up being a good one that will hurt. I don't like his hiring of Saunders and his trading Saric and 11 for Culver is looking like a big mistake. I haven't given up on him, but he hasn't earned my trust.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 1:37:34 PM   
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LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards: Who should Timberwolves take at No. 1?
Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz

With the Minnesota Timberwolves securing the No. 1 selection in the 2020 NBA draft over the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers, the spotlight turns to the pick: Who will the Wolves take in the top spot?

Anthony Edwards and LaMelo Ball are atop our big board and latest mock draft as ESPN draft experts Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz discuss who Minnesota should take -- and who it will take.

Who should the Timberwolves take?

While the 2020 NBA draft is reputed to be one in which teams might not mind slipping a few spots -- considering the high cost of a top pick's rookie scale contract and the extreme uncertainty surrounding the top prospects -- Minnesota surely is excited to have first choice.

Even in the best of times, the Timberwolves have existed in one of the thorniest economic situations of any NBA team -- and this is not the best of times for the league or the franchise. Now the Timberwolves are for sale, adding further uncertainty. Will new ownership be in place before the draft? If a sale is close, a prospective owner will probably want a say in how the team handles its second No. 1 overall pick. (Karl-Anthony Towns was the other in 2015, although the team also obtained 2014 top pick Andrew Wiggins via trade.)

Ball has a great case to go No. 1. He is a supersized point guard with a prodigious feel for the game and makes things incredibly easy for teammates with his passing ability. He is the best ballhandler in this draft, but he also loves to empower teammates and has no problem operating off the ball as well.

Ball also is going to make his new team more relevant nationally and globally. Drafting a player who both sells tickets and helps the team return to the playoffs, eventually if not immediately, is the best-case scenario for Minnesota.

Of course, a backcourt of Ball and D'Angelo Russell, with Towns in the middle, would make it difficult for Minnesota to build a good defense. But if Edwards is the other top candidate because of his offensive talent at shooting guard, then his inconsistency and defensive apathy offer no great contrast. As Edwards said in his introduction to the NBA audience on Thursday, "I had a lot of bad games" in his one season at Georgia.

Ball's instincts for rebounding, getting in passing lanes and even blocking shots at times suggest he has plenty of potential as his frame continues to fill out. He experienced another growth spurt recently, and Ball will probably look significantly different physically into his 20s than he does now.

If I'm the Wolves, give me Ball for his talent, for his marketability, for his overall approach to the game and for his long-term potential. -- Jonathan Givony

Who will the Timberwolves take?

If I were Timberwolves president Gersson Rosas, I would draft LaMelo Ball first overall for the reasons Jonathan Givony outlined above. Marketability aside, Ball's combination of size, passing instincts, creativity, touch and comfort in a starring role carries great on-court intrigue. You could put every other prospect in this draft in a gym with the best trainers in the world for a year straight and they still wouldn't be able to make some of the instinctual reads he can with the ball. I believe that if Ball had played 30-plus games in a major NCAA conference this season, there wouldn't be much debate at the top.

But if the question is who I think the Wolves will take, I lean toward Anthony Edwards. When a 6-foot-5 shooting guard has exploded for 37 points against Michigan State, 32 at Florida and 36 at South Carolina (though all in losing efforts), that creates a firmer impression and more confidence that the player's skills will translate. It's simply easier to gauge Edwards' talent when you've seen him against Isaac Okoro and Auburn; Aaron Nesmith and Vanderbilt; and Tyrese Maxey and Kentucky. Watching Bruce Pearl, Tom Crean, Jerry Stackhouse and John Calipari patrol the sidelines in those games gives scouts who have years of experience watching college games a way to understand the level of Edwards' play and competition.

Ball's highlights are eye-popping but might have less impact when his darts are landing in the hands of Sunday Dech or Todd Blanchfield in cities halfway around the world. The Australian NBL has good players but is less familiar to NBA scouts and executives. The perception gap becomes more pronounced when we factor in the lingering questions about Ball's highly unusual path to the NBA and how eager he would be to help turn around a struggling franchise.

For Minnesota, there also is the question of fit. Ball will be at his best when a team hands him the keys and surrounds him with 3-and-D wings, a speedy creator and an athletic roller. But Russell is a methodical player who takes his time setting up in the pick-and-roll. Simply put, they both like the ball in their hands and would have to make stylistic adjustments. Of course, they can make it work, but I could see the Wolves thinking twice, especially when the player they'd be taking the ball away from in Russell is one of Towns' best friends.

Edwards would infuse the Wolves with a level of pop -- physicality, explosiveness and scoring punch -- that they're missing. Every move he makes is an NBA move. Step-backs, pull-backs, you name it, he can get to his shot against the best defenders in the world.

And I'm a fan of Edwards' long-term upside. He didn't bring it every night at Georgia, but when dialed in, there was no scorer more explosive in the country. When watching his best games, you start to think of Victor Oladipo, Donovan Mitchell and occasionally even James Harden.

So while I agree the Wolves should take Ball first overall and never look back, I can certainly see Minnesota becoming more comfortable taking Edwards, the collegiate star who is the more natural fit on paper. -- Mike Schmitz
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 2:47:28 PM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.



After a COMPLETE overall of a dumpster of a mess he was left with. We will see?


I'll admit I don't know enough about the various roster moves to have an opinion on them, was just going on a much lower winning percentage. It takes time to gel, but with all the player movement these days that's not an excuse any more and it probably applied to the 2018-19 team as well.

Nonetheless, with fans it's all part of the honeymoon period.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 2:58:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.



After a COMPLETE overall of a dumpster of a mess he was left with. We will see?


I'll admit I don't know enough about the various roster moves to have an opinion on them, was just going on a much lower winning percentage. It takes time to gel, but with all the player movement these days that's not an excuse any more and it probably applied to the 2018-19 team as well.

Nonetheless, with fans it's all part of the honeymoon period.


The only real excuse we have is that the one guy on the team that we absolutely can't afford to lose missed half the season.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 2:58:31 PM   
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Too much is made about proper fit with a teams current roster. Chances are a couple of players won't be around after two years.

As for Ball, read a lot of the same positive stuff about Lonzo. Of course, shooting was a major concern for Lonzo, so it's worth checking how LaMelo fared with some deeper analysis than just shooting percentage. And what about defense? It wasn't a consideration in high school or Lithuania.

So passing and intangibles are nice but you have to be able to shoot or defenses will collapse inside or help elsewhere. And not playing defense really hits home once the games begin.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 3:04:15 PM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.



After a COMPLETE overall of a dumpster of a mess he was left with. We will see?


I'll admit I don't know enough about the various roster moves to have an opinion on them, was just going on a much lower winning percentage. It takes time to gel, but with all the player movement these days that's not an excuse any more and it probably applied to the 2018-19 team as well.

Nonetheless, with fans it's all part of the honeymoon period.


The only real excuse we have is that the one guy on the team that we absolutely can't afford to lose missed half the season.


That's fair.

They need someone to lead when the going gets tough. Towns seems like a nice guy. Russell, I don't think so. As for Ball, I think Lonzo clammed up because of his dad. Don't know if that affected LaMelo or how his personality is. Edwards maybe? I guess Butler tried, but failed.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 3:08:06 PM   
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This is going to be so damn fun to see how massively we F this thing up.


Well, I trust Rosas better than the crap GM"s we have had over the last 30 years! I agree it will be fun to see how it plays out!


Yet the Wolves went from a .439 'winning' percentage before he arrived to .297 after.



After a COMPLETE overall of a dumpster of a mess he was left with. We will see?


I'll admit I don't know enough about the various roster moves to have an opinion on them, was just going on a much lower winning percentage. It takes time to gel, but with all the player movement these days that's not an excuse any more and it probably applied to the 2018-19 team as well.

Nonetheless, with fans it's all part of the honeymoon period.


The only real excuse we have is that the one guy on the team that we absolutely can't afford to lose missed half the season.


That's fair.

They need someone to lead when the going gets tough. Towns seems like a nice guy. Russell, I don't think so. As for Ball, I think Lonzo clammed up because of his dad. Don't know if that affected LaMelo or how his personality is. Edwards maybe? I guess Butler tried, but failed.


Probably the best thing about LaMelo is how he's distanced himself from his dad.

Many inside and outside the Australian league thought the Illawarra Hawks, typically NBL bottom-feeders, were taking a significant risk in adding Ball to their roster via the Next Star program. There were concerns that his fame and potential intervention from Lavar, LaMelo's father, would become a distraction from winning games.

But the feedback thus far from teammates and coaches has been overwhelmingly positive, likely aided by the fact that Ball has proved to be by far the best player on the team (and possibly in the league).

"He's exceeded expectations," Illawarra head coach Matt Flinn said. "He's come with absolutely zero baggage. He's assimilated into his teammates, and they genuinely like having him around. His willingness to share the ball, his willingness to pass, that's fun to be around, and that's fun to play with. I've gotten good feedback that this is the happiest people have seen him in a while.

"I haven't heard from LaVar, so we must be doing something right [laughs]."

Ball acknowledged a need to reverse some of the negative perception NBA teams have about him, stemming from his rocky stop in Lithuania with Prienai and the off-the-court drama surrounding him and his family in recent years.

"I just need to be myself," he said. "People really don't know the whole background story. They get what they see on camera. Everybody who really just knows me, they already know."

NBA teams were curious how involved LaVar remains in LaMelo's basketball development process in the NBL. LaVar made a brief cameo in Illawarra upon his son's arrival, but he didn't request to come to practice, according to Illawarra staff members, and he has had minimal contact with the team.

Over the course of the weekend, Ball never donned apparel bearing the Big Baller Brand logo, sporting strictly Nike and Illawarra gear. Sources say he will be playing a minimal role in the "Ball in the Family" documentary moving forward. Meanwhile, Ball's camp has been negotiating a sneaker contract with different companies, though it remains to be seen what shoes he'll wear in the NBA.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/21/2020 3:08:13 PM   
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According to my research the Wolves have been a lottery participant 23 times.

23rd time was the charm. First time they ever moved up.

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