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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/26/2020 1:30:23 PM   
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Package some picks and go get Beal.


We don't have the ammo.

Washington isn't going to want our 2023 and 2025 picks.

How much would it take?

I see Beal only signed a 2 year max ext with Washington.

Wouldn't both 1st rd picks this year and Culver get it done?

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/26/2020 1:33:31 PM   
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/26/2020 2:03:32 PM   
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Package some picks and go get Beal.


We don't have the ammo.

Washington isn't going to want our 2023 and 2025 picks.

How much would it take?

I see Beal only signed a 2 year max ext with Washington.

Wouldn't both 1st rd picks this year and Culver get it done?


No. Its going to take #1s in multiple drafts.

We also can't trade both our #1s this year since we already traded away next year's.

I'm also not real interested in Beal. His raw numbers still look good, but his 3pt shooting and defense have been in the tank the past 2 years. Its possible that he struggled with being asked to do too much, but its also possible he's already declining.

If I was going to target a star that *may* actually be available, it would be Ben Simmons.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/26/2020 2:14:01 PM   
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Paul Reed (who may be there when draft at 33) is going to be a better Pro than anyone we can take at 17.

Reminds me of a slightly taller and more athletic, but less physical Paul Millsap.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 8:30:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the idea of adding Ben Simmons to this team. I think his position flexibility would be a nice addition.

And if I'm not mistaken we can trade both picks but it would just have to be after the pick is made correct? Essentially trading the player they asked us to pick correct?
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 8:38:43 AM   
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Package some picks and go get Beal.


We don't have the ammo.

Washington isn't going to want our 2023 and 2025 picks.

How much would it take?

I see Beal only signed a 2 year max ext with Washington.

Wouldn't both 1st rd picks this year and Culver get it done?


No. Its going to take #1s in multiple drafts.

We also can't trade both our #1s this year since we already traded away next year's.

I'm also not real interested in Beal. His raw numbers still look good, but his 3pt shooting and defense have been in the tank the past 2 years. Its possible that he struggled with being asked to do too much, but its also possible he's already declining.

If I was going to target a star that *may* actually be available, it would be Ben Simmons.

Simmons would be great. But I imagine it will take quite a bit to land him.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 9:48:58 AM   
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I just can not work up any excitement about this draft. Easily the most apathetic I've ever been for a Wolves draft - and in a year we actually moved up to #1...

Edwards: Meh.
Ball: Meh.
Wiseman: Double Meh.

Hayes would at least pique my interest a little bit, but I'm far from sold on him.

Okongwu and Vassell I like a lot. Would be happy with either. Also don't think either will ever be a star. I think they top out at very good (maybe even elite) roleplayers.

I could maybe see a path where Okongwu could become someone akin to Siakim. Vassell, maybe a poor man's Danny Green.

I also don't think the #1 pick has nearly the trade value it would in most other years. There just isn't a surefire stud at the Top.




I think part of that is due to the abrupt shut down of the Season.
Many of these guys had their time to shine moments taken away.
Conference and NCAA tournament time is where a guy can stand out.

I get what you’re saying but think there are still a few nuggets in the hopper.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 10:32:11 AM   
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I like the idea of adding Ben Simmons to this team. I think his position flexibility would be a nice addition.

And if I'm not mistaken we can trade both picks but it would just have to be after the pick is made correct? Essentially trading the player they asked us to pick correct?


Right.

But I still doubt the #1 and the #17 are enough to get it done. Maybe the 2 picks, James Johnson, Culver, Okogie and a future asset gets them listening.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 10:34:24 AM   
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 10:53:43 AM   
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Culver seems like such a wasted pick.


Made worse by bad process.

Rosas traded a valuable roleplayer to move up to 5th in a two player draft to take Darius Garland*, who then wasn't available and settled for Culver - a guy with similar strengths and weaknesses to our previous pick, Okogie.

*A player with limited upside that only played 130 minutes of college ball...
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 11:47:50 AM   
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Culver seems like such a wasted pick.


Made worse by bad process.

Rosas traded a valuable roleplayer to move up to 5th in a two player draft to take Darius Garland*, who then wasn't available and settled for Culver - a guy with similar strengths and weaknesses to our previous pick, Okogie.

*A player with limited upside that only played 130 minutes of college ball...


David,
I agree probably takes more but I think I might still give up what you suggested.

Also: yeah seems the draft pick trade for Culver went wrong. Surprised we made the trade before knowing our player was still available.
Seems many are down on Culver. I was feeling he still may develop into a pretty solid player, maybe not.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 11:57:13 AM   
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Culver seems like such a wasted pick.


Made worse by bad process.

Rosas traded a valuable roleplayer to move up to 5th in a two player draft to take Darius Garland*, who then wasn't available and settled for Culver - a guy with similar strengths and weaknesses to our previous pick, Okogie.

*A player with limited upside that only played 130 minutes of college ball...


David,
I agree probably takes more but I think I might still give up what you suggested.

Also: yeah seems the draft pick trade for Culver went wrong. Surprised we made the trade before knowing our player was still available.
Seems many are down on Culver. I was feeling he still may develop into a pretty solid player, maybe not.


In a heartbeat.

Culver and Okogie both have a chance to be solid roleplayers, but I can't see much more than that. You trade them in a heartbeat for a stud.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 5:12:08 PM   
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Culver seems like such a wasted pick.


Made worse by bad process.

Rosas traded a valuable roleplayer to move up to 5th in a two player draft to take Darius Garland*, who then wasn't available and settled for Culver - a guy with similar strengths and weaknesses to our previous pick, Okogie.

*A player with limited upside that only played 130 minutes of college ball...


David,
I agree probably takes more but I think I might still give up what you suggested.

Also: yeah seems the draft pick trade for Culver went wrong. Surprised we made the trade before knowing our player was still available.
Seems many are down on Culver. I was feeling he still may develop into a pretty solid player, maybe not.


Has Garlund been that good (either)? I would love to get Simmons as he just does what it takes to win. I wouldn't mind a lesser trade for Jrue Holiday either but Simmons seems like the best fit.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 8/27/2020 5:27:07 PM   
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Culver seems like such a wasted pick.


Made worse by bad process.

Rosas traded a valuable roleplayer to move up to 5th in a two player draft to take Darius Garland*, who then wasn't available and settled for Culver - a guy with similar strengths and weaknesses to our previous pick, Okogie.

*A player with limited upside that only played 130 minutes of college ball...


David,
I agree probably takes more but I think I might still give up what you suggested.

Also: yeah seems the draft pick trade for Culver went wrong. Surprised we made the trade before knowing our player was still available.
Seems many are down on Culver. I was feeling he still may develop into a pretty solid player, maybe not.


Has Garlund been that good (either)? I would love to get Simmons as he just does what it takes to win. I wouldn't mind a lesser trade for Jrue Holiday either but Simmons seems like the best fit.


No, he's as bad as many expected.

He was a bad prospect. Undersized, below average athleticism and more turnovers than assists in his 5 college games. A guy who is a PG in size only, doesn't have the tools to be a defender and basically is going to need to shoot in the 40s from 3 to even be playable.

That was my first red flag for Rosas. It was a 2 player draft and then VERY flat through the rest of the lottery+ and he traded up for a marginal prospect. )The fact that he didn;t even get him is another story...)
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/3/2020 10:38:34 AM   
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Status: online 		Vecenie 2020 NBA Mock Draft 7.1: A mini update based on what I’m hearing:

1. Minnesota Timberwolves

LaMelo Ball | 6-6 guard | 18 years old | Illawarra Hawks

So this is an immediate adjustment at the top of the mock draft. Why? A few different reasons worth discussing.

First, there is a feeling around the league that Timberwolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas will explore every conceivable option with this pick, including a multitude of trade options. Not only has Rosas already proven himself to be one of the more aggressive heads of basketball ops in the NBA, but also the executive team in charge is also one of the more creative ones in executing deals. Remember: the team’s vice president of basketball ops, Sachin Gupta, created the damn trade machine on ESPN. I would not be so sure that the Wolves end up making this pick at No. 1. At the very least, they’re going to see if anyone is willing to meet whatever they set as their asking price.

Having said that, none of the three players who most executives consider to have the highest upside in this class — Anthony Edwards, James Wiseman and Ball — particularly fit with the Wolves. Edwards and Ball are ball-dominant and poor defenders, skills that don’t particularly fit next to Karl-Anthony Towns and D’Angelo Russell. Wiseman is a center, meaning he’s a non-starter for the Wolves at No. 1 because he and Towns wouldn’t provide enough quickness on the court together to field a competent defense. So what do the Wolves do?

It’s worth coming back to what I said above regarding Rosas’ aggressiveness. In general, the thought is that this front office doesn’t necessarily see its roster as completed yet, and will need to maneuver over the next year to build a roster to compete as Towns’ contract enters its final stages. The Wolves are going to think of this pick as an asset that could be moved in the future, even if they have to use the pick and if the player doesn’t quite fit with this core.

So who do they rate as the top player? No one is particularly sure at this juncture. But my guess is Ball makes a lot of sense as the guy they think has the highest upside. He had a terrific half year playing in Australia against pros, and his advanced numbers across the board are better than Edwards’. Both were wildly inefficient, but Ball had a ridiculous 3-to-1 assist rate to turnover rate. He rebounded well and had a high steal rate. And even beyond that, the scouting tells you that his ability to make plays with ball in hand is special. I have him at No. 1 because his upside as a playmaker and passer is exceptionally high. But my bet is that this projection gets adjusted again before the draft happens — whenever that may be.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/3/2020 1:59:42 PM   
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/3/2020 3:12:09 PM   
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Ball seems to be comparable to Rubio but w/o the defensive chops.

Pretty much.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/3/2020 3:19:29 PM   
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Ball seems to be comparable to Rubio but w/o the defensive chops.


He's sort of a weird mix of Simmons, Rubio and his brother. But not the defender that any of them are - yet.

He's much much bigger than Rubio, and unlike Ricky, he has a tremendous inside game, with a very good floater out to about 12 or 15 feet.

He's bigger than his brother, a better athlete and a WAY better passer - especially in the halfcourt where Lonzo struggles.

He's not as strong as Simmons, but he's a MUCH more willing shooter.

He has a lot of potential. His size/length, athleticism and really high BBIQ make you think that he could be coached into being a solid defender.

His shot is not totally broken, just inconsistent. When he keeps his legs together and goes straight up and down, its quite good. He gets into trouble when he fades away or flails with his legs. And he has very good touch on his interior shots.

He's going to need good coaching, but he probably has the most star potential of anyone in this draft.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/6/2020 1:33:58 AM   
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Status: online 		Here's a YouTube of James Wiseman comparing him favorably to Giannis Antetokounmpo when he entered the league. I believe he easily has the most upside in the draft. Imagine an even taller Giannis 2.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXC7x8feFk&t=227s

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/6/2020 9:07:34 AM   
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Here's a YouTube of James Wiseman comparing him favorably to Giannis Antetokounmpo when he entered the league. I believe he easily has the most upside in the draft. Imagine an even taller Giannis 2.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXC7x8feFk&t=227s

Wiseman looks like a project but the athleticism and that enormous wingspan is intruiging.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/7/2020 8:05:24 AM   
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Here's a YouTube of James Wiseman comparing him favorably to Giannis Antetokounmpo when he entered the league. I believe he easily has the most upside in the draft. Imagine an even taller Giannis 2.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXC7x8feFk&t=227s

Wiseman looks like a project but the athleticism and that enormous wingspan is intruiging.

Yep it's the combination of athleticism and wingspan that makes his potential so sky high. Okongwu is the safer choice, but I would take Wiseman.

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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/7/2020 10:58:02 AM   
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Is it about rookie wages or possible changes to the salary cap?
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/7/2020 11:31:59 AM   
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Status: online 		If Pokusevski is there at 17 I think we have to take him.

He's so skinny, but he's so young and talented.

As of today I *think* my ideal draft would be:

With #1, trade down to 3 or 4. Hopefully for a very lightly protected 2021 pick.

3/4: Hayes
17: Pokusevski (I could see him going in the bottom of the lottery as well though)
33: Paul Reed (who I refuse to believe is going to be drafted as late as everyone projects)
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/7/2020 11:33:11 AM   
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Status: online 		Sadly this feels like the Derrick Johnson or Shabazz Mohammed drafts where I just know we're going to take the one guy I really don't like at all.

Edwards.
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RE: 2020 NBA Draft - 9/7/2020 3:01:42 PM   
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Sadly this feels like the Derrick Johnson or Shabazz Mohammed drafts where I just know we're going to take the one guy I really don't like at all.

Edwards.

Could Wiseman and KAT coexist?

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