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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 4:58:01 PM   
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There has been pretty strong speculation that Dumba is on the block. The Brodin extension made the speculation even stronger.


Not to mention Soucy getting a 3 year contract too.

Plus Calen Addison could be ready this year. Dumba just adds to much salary to the position for the Wild.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 5:13:25 PM   
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There has been pretty strong speculation that Dumba is on the block. The Brodin extension made the speculation even stronger.

Not to mention Soucy getting a 3 year contract too.

Plus Calen Addison could be ready this year. Dumba just adds to much salary to the position for the Wild.


Plus the rumor that Guerin has been talking to the Jets Buggy about a comeback.....makes me think yep; Dumba could be gone as soon as tonight.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 6:11:13 PM   
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Dumba out

This kid in?

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From Sweens a few pages back:


Jake Sanderson, D USA: Second generation NHL talent. Supposed to be great skater, lock down defensive zone player with a fast growing offensive game. Was in the middle of a breakout season offensively when the pandemic shut everything down. Was supposedly the best player on the US U-18 team. Sounds like a future captain. I would be happy with this pick as well.
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 6:22:54 PM   
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Geez! Why did it take so long for the rangers to pick Lafreniere? Were they they trying to trade the pick?
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 6:46:49 PM   
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I wonder who’s going to get Askarov? He’s a great goalie.
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 7:07:33 PM   
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Sanderson gone at #5 as I feared.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 7:08:46 PM   
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I wonder who’s going to get Askarov? He’s a great goalie.

I'd be very happy if the Wild took him. He is supposed to be a generational talent in goal.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 7:10:19 PM   
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On the clock.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 7:16:16 PM   
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Center Marco Rossi. Most mocks had him gone before the Wild's pick

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 7:28:27 PM   
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Center Marco Rossi. Most mocks had him gone before the Wild's pick


He’s supposed to be really talented, but I would always go with a stud goalie with international experience. Goalies are like pitchers to me. If you can grab one, you do it.
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 7:52:02 PM   
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Center Marco Rossi. Most mocks had him gone before the Wild's pick


He’s supposed to be really talented, but I would always go with a stud goalie with international experience. Goalies are like pitchers to me. If you can grab one, you do it.


Yep, agree
That’s how you win Cups.
I wanted Askarov
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 8:39:14 PM   
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“It’s a perfect fit,” he said of the Wild. “They need a center. I’m a center. I’m 100 percent ready. My impact is going to be my whole game. I compete really hard, 200-foot game, play really good defense and offense and a really good playmaker that can also score goals.”

Rossi had a feeling the Wild might draft him. “I had some good interviews with them,” he said.


https://www.startribune.com/wild-takes-austrian-center-marco-rossi-with-ninth-pick-in-nhl-draft/572657332/

I follow the Vikings draft for weeks if not months beforehand. I didn't even know that the NHL had a draft until I saw something on my tv. In the case of the Vikings the first round picks contribute right away. This player seems to be one who can contribute sooner than later even though he is only 19 years old. Still I doubt that we will see him this upcoming season and if does come up for some games I certainly doubt he will contribute much. The NHL draft is for the future. I don't follow hockey that closely, but that much I know.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 8:40:51 PM   
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9. Minnesota Wild - Marco Rossi, C, Ottawa (OHL)
NHL Central Scouting: No. 6 (North American skaters)

Rossi led the Canadian Hockey League with 120 points (39 goals, 81 assists) in 56 games in 2019-20, including 34 multipoint games, and was second in points per game (2.14) behind Lafreniere in the QMJHL. Despite being small (5-9, 183), Rossi is capable of winning 50-50 puck battles, is strong on face-offs (58.5 percent, fifth among OHL players with at least 1,000 attempts), and generates offense with his high hockey IQ, hands and playmaking ability. The 19-year-old was held without a point four times this season.

NHL.com analysis: Rossi plays bigger than his size, with a feistiness and competitive level that's reminiscent of Claude Giroux. Wild general manager Bill Guerin has talked about the need to find a No. 1 center, and Rossi projects to be that player.
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 8:45:43 PM   
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My Gosh. His description of himself screams Mikko.
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 10:07:01 PM   
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He ain't Mikko. 120 points in 56 games is not Mikko. Plus he is a fast skater who plays fast. The scouting profiles on Rossi always start with his offensive game. I'm actually pleased. When I went through the player analysis for the draft, Rossi was one of the guys I liked, but didn't think would be there.

Most mocks had the Wild settling for Mikko clone Antone Lundell assuming Rossi would be off the board.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/6/2020 11:10:07 PM   
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Yeah, I didn't mean to say he was. Just his description of himself was funny, given our past.

A. good at faceoffs
B. end to end player
C. good defense for C



Been there, done that. The 120 in 56 is a "bit"…wink/wink….in his favor.
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 2:28:06 AM   
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Reading this made me like the pick.

https://www.silversevensens.com/2020/10/1/21496863/nhl-mock-draft-2020-ottawa-senators-select-marco-rossi-with-no-5-pick-nhl-entry

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 7:16:05 AM   
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My Gosh. His description of himself screams Mikko.


Not anything like Mikko. More of a Martin St. Louis or old school Keith Acton

This was a GREAT Pick!!
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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 7:29:12 AM   
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Good solid pick
Guerin building a team of Guerins
I'd be ok with that
Rossi led a tough league in scoring
You like that, and you take it.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 7:51:12 AM   
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Center Marco Rossi. Most mocks had him gone before the Wild's pick


He’s supposed to be really talented, but I would always go with a stud goalie with international experience. Goalies are like pitchers to me. If you can grab one, you do it.

My sources are saying a year or two with a vet FA/unwanted goalie is the plan, then work it over to Kappanen
Murray/Fleury, watch for the Penguin connections

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 8:36:33 AM   
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2020 NHL Draft Profile: Marco Rossi
The Austrian centre led the CHL in scoring and was a bulldog in all three zones this year for the local Ottawa 67s

By Ary M@carteciel Jun 1, 2020, 9:00am EDT

No player encapsulates the wealth of talent available to teams picking in the top-10 of the 2020 NHL Draft than Marco Rossi. Despite leading the CHL in scoring with 120 points in 56 games, Rossi is consistently ranked between fourth and seventh in Colin’s consolidated rankings of public draft lists, and as you’ll read in this article, that’s through no fault of his own. He’s a near flawless player — reliable in all-three zones, the hockey sense to consistently make the right decision look effortless, and the skill to match the top players in the class.

Born in the small Austrian town of Feldkirch, Rossi grew up playing most of his youth hockey across the Rhine in the Rheintal and Küsnacht areas of Switzerland — a country with a well-developed youth hockey system at the U15, U17, and U20 level.

To say Rossi was among the best of his peers would be an understatement, as he was able to produce at a point-per-game pace in the U15 league from ages 10 to 12 — an incredible feat when you think about what puberty looks like for boys at those ages — and moved up to play against U17s at the age of 14. By the time the 2017-18 season rolled around, Rossi had already led both of Switzerland’s U17 leagues in scoring, and at 15-years-old, finished the season ranked fifth league-wide in points-per-game at the U20 level. He even squeaked in seven points in 18 games against men in the tier II NLB.

At this point in his career, Rossi was also at the point where he was leading his country internationally — helping Austria to back-to-back silver medals at D1B U18s. Yes: that’s a level below what Tim Stützle and the Germans played at, but that Rossi was able to not just hold his own but instead, lead his team in scoring in these tournaments are factoids worth mentioning.

It became clear that for Rossi to advance further in his development, he was either going to have to earn his spot in the NLA and play against men, or apply as an import to North America. He did the latter, was selected 18th overall by the 67s in 2018. The Athletic’s Scott Wheeler, who wrote a wonderful profile of Rossi’s first season in Ottawa, noted that the 67s landing Rossi was in part because of Nico Hischier’s recommendation of Andre Tourigny, where the former Sens assistant helped the Swiss import be named a first overall pick. While Rossi might not go that high, he’s become the 67s most dominant player since Tyler Toffoli.

We’ll dig more into Rossi’s CHL numbers in the data section, but briefly: Rossi’s 2018-19 season ranks 20th all-time in points-per-game among Draft-1 players, and his 2019-20 season ranked seventh, ahead of names like Jason Spezza, Mitch Marner, Matthew Tkachuk, Dylan Strome, Taylor Hall, and John Tavares.


Scouting Report
What makes Rossi so effective?

In short: his hockey sense. It’s likely the biggest reason why Rossi was able to play as an underager for so many years in Switzerland, especially being in a smaller body, and it’s the key to his effectiveness in all three zones. Last year, Rossi was already getting accolades from OHL coaches as one of the smartest players in his conference, so it came as no surprise to see him build on that recognition this year en route to being named the league’s most outstanding player.

Where we see that hockey sense the most vividly is in Rossi’s vision with the puck. His head is always on a swivel as he looks to utilize his teammates in the most efficient way, and he’s effective at applying his other tools to get him in the best position to set-up a linemate. While he’s always looking to move the puck into high-danger areas, what strikes me about Rossi is that he doesn’t force passes in the same way Stützle and Raymond do. Instead, he patiently waits for another opportunity to arise or directly manipulates defenders to abandon passing lanes and open up cross-seam opportunities.

Some may look at his 5-foot-9 frame and think that would limit his NHL ceiling, but in fact, I think it’s led to him developing a versatility that will only help him translate his game to the NHL. I’m also put at ease by Rossi’s Pageau-esque attitude with and without the puck, where he plays with an edge and a dogged determination to be better than his opponents. He doesn’t shy away from contact, and often, he’s the one instigating it as he’s driving to dangerous areas of the ice to battle with defenders night in and night out.

His lower body strength reminds me of that picture of Martin St. Louis’ thighs, with a strong centre of gravity that allows him to absorb contact with ease. Take a look at the clip below from March 2019 against Florida’s 6-foot-5, 215 pound behemoth, Serron Noel:

This strength translates to a powerful skating stride, which Rossi can use to generate some separation at the OHL level. While he doesn’t have the same top gear as Quinton Byfield, Rossi’s made strides with his acceleration. I’ve seen reports call him a “four-directional skater”, noting that he can cut in any direction with speed. When you combine an ability to mix speeds, a brain that allows him to deceive defenders, and sweet hands in tight, you can see why Rossi is such a tantalizing offensive player on the rush. On the powerplay, this is only more apparent. He often circles around between the top of the zone and his strong-side half-wall, looking to thread passes into the slot or the opposite side face-off circle for one-timers.

It’s tools like these that allow him to win 50/50 battles with the puck and play the details of the game that will allow him to be a trusted defensive centre — if coaches want to use him that way — at the next level. So many of the opportunities he generates for the 67s start with a nice defensive play — like an active stick check or smart bit of physical contact — before he quickly turns the puck up the ice. He was one of the OHL’s best players on faceoffs this season despite lining up against other 18-, 19-, and 20-year-old centres.Rossi has the NHL-calibre polish at 18-years-old that many players never get to.

For a thorough video breakdown of Rossi’s game, I recommend reading Sam Happi’s profile of him on DraftGeek.


The Data

Like the other CHLers we’ve profiled so far, data will be drawn primarily from two sources: Pick224 for points-based information, and Mitch Brown’s tracking project for microstats.

Let’s start with the numbers we’re all familiar with. I made mention earlier about the historical comparisons for Rossi’s Draft-1 and draft-eligible OHL production, but let me be clear: Rossi’s peers are other top-five picks, including first-overall players like John Tavares and Taylor Hall. He had that level of production while playing centre against top competition and being reliable defensively. Much of the argument against Rossi has to do with the fact that he played on the CHL’s best team, but it’s clear that Rossi was the straw that turned the 67s drink. Case in point: when Rossi was on the ice at even-strength, the 67s scored a ridiculous 74.64% of the goals. When he was off? 58%. While that latter number is still sterling, especially for a team without their best player on the ice, Rossi’s impact (EVGF% Rel) ranked eighth league-wide — in-between Cole Perfetti and Quinton Byfield.

Rossi also ranked third league-wide in even-strength primary points per game — so it’s not like he was padding his totals with secondary assists — and fourth in primary points per game on the powerplay. He’s a balanced offensive threat.

Moving onto Brown’s tracking data: Rossi, like defenceman Jamie Drysdale before him, excels at shot assists — passes that directly result in a shot — and expected primary assists (xA1), a measure of danger for each shot assist. Among his peers in the three CHL leagues and the USNDP, Rossi was peerless, ranking in the 98th and 99th percentile for those two metrics, respectively. If what you want in a passer is someone who translate those attempts into dangerous opportunities and often, goals, Rossi’s your guy. It might not always look as sexy as Tim Stützle or Lucas Raymond’s assists, but they get the job done.

The rest of Rossi’s game doesn’t quite to be at the same level as Lafrenière’s or Byfield’s, though, with Rossi ranking just above-average (65th to 75th percentile) as opposed to at the top of the dataset in terms of his entries, exits, and involvement in defensive plays. This could reflect Rossi’s increased team quality, as he might not have had to involve himself in the same extent as the others who were primary drivers of their team’s respective offences, but something to note nonetheless.

The one ‘flag’ that’s been circulating among the scouting community is whether Rossi’s production has been padded. The folks at HockeyProspect.com conducted an analysis of a player’s stats against ‘top teams’ versus ‘bottom teams’ and found that among all the top prospects, Rossi had the biggest discrepancy in his production. He scored at a 2.75 points-per-game rate against ‘bottom teams’ and a 1.27 points-per-game rate against ‘top teams’. I don’t think you can fault a player for running roughshod against bottom-feeders, but it’s something to note when considering what to think of Rossi’s point-production in the NHL. I think it’s clear that Rossi does so many of the little things right that he’ll produce, in addition to providing value in a multitude of other ways for a team driving to drive play positively up the ice, so he’ll be an interesting case study to see whether this metric means anything in terms of predicting future point totals.

Drawbacks
We’ve touched on Rossi’s biggest drawback relative to his peers, and it’s something he can’t control: the relative quality of his team. Navigating how a player will translate their game to a new context is always the trickiest part of scouting, and it’s something a team will want to get right if they’re looking to draft Rossi at 3-5 instead of 6-8, especially considering the quality of talent around him. The 67s were also a top team in the CHL last season when Rossi also put up high-end production relative to his age, and I think there’s a much larger difference with his absurd jump in production than the team’s improvement.

The other drawback that Rossi has no control over is his age. If Rossi was born eight days earlier, he... likely would’ve been a top-five pick in the 2019 Draft instead of this year’s, so again: it’s something to take into account when comparing him to the much younger Byfield, or even Lucas Raymond.

Finally, for a player so intelligent, there have been multiple instances where Rossi will sometimes take a boneheaded penalty — one with no benefit to his team. He was suspended for five games earlier this season after a dangerous hit into the boards, and sometimes, his feistiness comes out in a way that can be detrimental to his team.


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As we always say: we aren’t scouts, but these people are. Support their work!

“He’s a phenomenal player. Phenomenal. A few teams that have picked up on it. I’m biased but I think he’s the best player in our league. It’s not often you’ve got a player on your team who is the best offensive player, the best defensive player, the best guy on faceoffs, the best guy on the power play, the best guy on the penalty kill and probably your No. 1 shootout shooter, [...] and the thing is he doesn’t cheat, so as the game goes along, he takes over. The No. 1 thing for me is his skating — which was a concern for some people — is phenomenal. He’s just continued to improve. He is obsessed with getting better. Some guys are interested in getting better, he’s obsessed. If I told him to eat a pound of sunflower seeds every day because it would help him get to the NHL, he’d be right on it. It’s only going to continue. You hear this sort of stuff about Sidney Crosby or Shea Weber when they were juniors, it’s almost like a disorder, the striving to get better. I see the same thing in Marco, nothing’s going to stop him.”
— Ottawa 67s GM James Boyd, via Scott Wheeler, The Athletic ($)

“The Austrian-born pivot is one of the most dynamic players we’ve seen in along time. The OHL scoring leader is a dynamic play-driver, Rossi displays fantastic patience and vision in-order to make the best play available. His passing vision is second to none, and can pass people open like it’s nobody’s business. Rossi has a rather good shot that gets shadowed by his playmaking ability, off the rush his shot is DANGEROUS. Even though he isn’t big in stature, the dangles and balance make it very hard to knock him off the puck. He’s a stallion that is a point-producing machine.”

— Ashley Glover

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 8:42:57 AM   
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Great story on Marco Rossi.

New era boys....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip5zqzk89RY

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 8:46:56 AM   
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Ottawa's 67 coach: " It makes my job easier when your BEST player is also your HARDEST working player"

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 8:47:36 AM   
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If you wonder how his small size will hold up in the NHL, here is Rossi going up against a 6'5" / 215 lb defenseman the Panthers took in the second round in 2018.

https://twitter.com/Michael79607679/status/1105045788600750080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1105502663712669703%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.silversevensens.com%2F2020%2F6%2F1%2F21276461%2F2020-nhl-draft-profile-marco-rossi-ottawa-senators-nhl-ohl

Very impressive.

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RE: 2020 Wild Post Mortem Offseason & Draft - 10/7/2020 8:57:08 AM   
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If you wonder how his small size will hold up in the NHL, here is Rossi going up against a 6'5" / 215 lb defenseman the Panthers took in the second round in 2018.

https://twitter.com/Michael79607679/status/1105045788600750080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1105502663712669703%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.silversevensens.com%2F2020%2F6%2F1%2F21276461%2F2020-nhl-draft-profile-marco-rossi-ottawa-senators-nhl-ohl

Very impressive.


The giant tumbles!!

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