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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here.

Don't hold back either, give it to em with both barrels.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are:

1. Louisiana
2. Florida
3. Mississippi
4. Alabama
5. Arizona
6. Georgia
7. South Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Texas
10. Iowa

Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states?

Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings):

48. Mississippi
46. Louisiana
44. Arizona
43. Alabama
41. South Carolina
40. Texas
36. Tennessee
32. Georgia
29. Florida
17. Iowa

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here.

Don't hold back either, give it to em with both barrels.

What would be the problem with that? Is the implication that a bar full of bikers would do bodily harm to me if I said something derogatory about their selfish attitude that asks for private passenger vehicle operators to give special attention to 'look out' for them when they're on the road yet they can in turn scoff about doing their part to look out for my safety as it relates to the pandemic? And because I'm in their bar it will likely be a case of 30-50 bikers against just me? Well I think you'll be sorry to hear that your comment pretty much solidifies the idea that bikers are insecure ninnies that need a loud motor and strength in numbers to be 'tough'. I think South Park did an episode on this.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

Here's the thing that non-riders don't understand. Were different from you. We ride at night knowing that if a deer jumps put in front of us, well that's a problem. For those in a 4 wheeled cage, for the most part that's a problem for the deer. Hopefully we are able to get out of that situation unscathed. MOST times that's the case. Our approach to life essentially involves risks that most/many ensure that they filter out of their lives. It's not like suddenly based on a virus that kills 1 in about 20000 people, we're going to stop riding, we are way less concerned about COVID than we are about a deer jumping out in front of us.

Here’s the thing about us non-riders.

We already have a set between our legs.
We don’t need a couple hundred pounds of vibrating metal there to make us feel like Men. (or women)

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are:

1. Louisiana
2. Florida
3. Mississippi
4. Alabama
5. Arizona
6. Georgia
7. South Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Texas
10. Iowa

Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states?

Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings):

48. Mississippi
46. Louisiana
44. Arizona
43. Alabama
41. South Carolina
40. Texas
36. Tennessee
32. Georgia
29. Florida
17. Iowa

Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state:

1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor
2. New York, 170, Democratic
3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican
4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic
5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic
6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic
7. Mississippi, 96, Republican
8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor
9. Arizona, 76, Republican
10. Michigan, 70, Democratic
11. Illinois, 69, Democratic
12. Maryland, 64, Republican
13. Delaware, 64, Democratic
14. Georgia, 63, Republican
15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives.

At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives.

At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control.

Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives.

At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control.

Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results.

You can't fix stupid, that fact cuts across all lines (party, race, sex, ect..)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think you guys should head down to your local biker bar and storm in there and tell these scum bags everything you've been preaching here.

Don't hold back either, give it to em with both barrels.

What would be the problem with that? Is the implication that a bar full of bikers would do bodily harm to me if I said something derogatory about their selfish attitude that asks for private passenger vehicle operators to give special attention to 'look out' for them when they're on the road yet they can in turn scoff about doing their part to look out for my safety as it relates to the pandemic? And because I'm in their bar it will likely be a case of 30-50 bikers against just me? Well I think you'll be sorry to hear that your comment pretty much solidifies the idea that bikers are insecure ninnies that need a loud motor and strength in numbers to be 'tough'. I think South Park did an episode on this.

South Park is where I usually go for my reference material. Just to make my argument ironclad.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are:

1. Louisiana
2. Florida
3. Mississippi
4. Alabama
5. Arizona
6. Georgia
7. South Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Texas
10. Iowa

Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states?

Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings):

48. Mississippi
46. Louisiana
44. Arizona
43. Alabama
41. South Carolina
40. Texas
36. Tennessee
32. Georgia
29. Florida
17. Iowa

Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state:

1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor
2. New York, 170, Democratic
3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican
4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic
5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic
6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic
7. Mississippi, 96, Republican
8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor
9. Arizona, 76, Republican
10. Michigan, 70, Democratic
11. Illinois, 69, Democratic
12. Maryland, 64, Republican
13. Delaware, 64, Democratic
14. Georgia, 63, Republican
15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic

Death rate is a very different type of statistic. The states that were adversely affected in the beginning took a huge hit and have massive population centers with tremendous density. Once we figured out how to mitigate the spread (masks and social distancing), the virus had already done its damage and run its course with massive amounts of death.

Since then it seems that Republican governors have done a horrid job at controlling the spread. Bad messaging. Bad governing of the pandemic.

Yesterday New York had 782 cases and two deaths. They learned and adapted. Yesterday, Texas had 4,269 cases and 107 deaths. They haven't learned nor adapted. After six months one would think the leaderships would have enough of an understanding to develop a message that is safe for their constituents.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

At this point we can now start seeing what states have handled the Coronavirus better than others. States with the highest rates of infections of its population (cases per million) are:

1. Louisiana
2. Florida
3. Mississippi
4. Alabama
5. Arizona
6. Georgia
7. South Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Texas
10. Iowa

Anybody see a correlation to leadership in those states?

Interestingly, many of these states are among the worst educated states as well. According to USA Today (education ratings):

48. Mississippi
46. Louisiana
44. Arizona
43. Alabama
41. South Carolina
40. Texas
36. Tennessee
32. Georgia
29. Florida
17. Iowa

Death rate per 100,000 from covid-19 by state:

1. New Jersey, 181 per 100,000, Democratic governor
2. New York, 170, Democratic
3. Massachusetts, 135, Republican
4. Connecticut, 126, Democratic
5. Louisiana, 116, Democratic
6. Rhode Island, 104, Democratic
7. Mississippi, 96, Republican
8. District of Columbia, 88, Democratic mayor
9. Arizona, 76, Republican
10. Michigan, 70, Democratic
11. Illinois, 69, Democratic
12. Maryland, 64, Republican
13. Delaware, 64, Democratic
14. Georgia, 63, Republican
15. Pennsylvania, 63, Democratic

Death rate is a very different type of statistic. The states that were adversely affected in the beginning took a huge hit and have massive population centers with tremendous density. Once we figured out how to mitigate the spread (masks and social distancing), the virus had already done its damage and run its course with massive amounts of death.

Since then it seems that Republican governors have done a horrid job at controlling the spread. Bad messaging. Bad governing of the pandemic.

Yesterday New York had 782 cases and two deaths. They learned and adapted. Yesterday, Texas had 4,269 cases and 107 deaths. They haven't learned nor adapted. After six months one would think the leaderships would have enough of an understanding to develop a message that is safe for their constituents.

Just saying it's too complex of a situation to infer leadership from the one statistic that you cited. And you can't talk about New York as a covid success story without acknowledging that Cuomo made an egregious mistake when he sent recovering covid patients into nursing homes after it was well known how lethal covid is among the elderly.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

The novel coronavirus may be mutating — learning, in a sense — to defeat human protective measures such as masks, soap and perhaps even vaccines, according to the largest genetic study of the virus conducted in the United States. The study, led by scientists in Houston and released Wednesday before being peer-reviewed, found that the constantly evolving virus has produced a rapidly spreading mutant strain that appears to be especially contagious. "It is well within the realm of possibility that … when our population-level immunity gets high enough, this coronavirus will find a way to get around our immunity," a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told The Washington Post. "If that happened, we’d be in the same situation as with flu. We’ll have to chase the virus and, as it mutates, we’ll have to tinker with our vaccine."

https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2bb669d/5f6bb02f9d2fda2c369e810c/5e77d2b5ade4e21f590ddb7a/10/62/5af11cbeecc2ac02bfd71c5ae0063812

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Initially some governors made horrible decisions that cost a lot of lives.

At this point Covid is like cigarettes, everybody knows the risks and how to avoid them. Its personally responsibility at this point. Factors like obesity, general health, and poor decisions are out of governments control.

Very true, but if you idolize a figurehead who doesn't wear a mask and are getting bad information from him/her, you are more likely to make bad decisions and follow voodoo political messaging. That's why it is key to have responsible messaging coming from the highest places. Bad and irresponsible leadership leads to bad results.

You can't fix stupid, that fact cuts across all lines (party, race, sex, ect..)