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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/11/2021 11:03:34 AM   
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Sign Cruz FFS.


Twins Daily thinks Ozuna would be good also....not so sure.


I've read that by a couple of people. Younger, and more likely to repeat his 2020 season than Cruz. Some are now citing injuries and declined exit velocity at the end of the year to not sign Cruz.

Never mind that in the first play off game who was it that delivered that first run of the game. and in fact drove in the only run in both of those pathetic offensive efforts?

And leads in the clubhouse.

They seem to think he failed them somehow?
As you pointed out, was the only hitter who continued to HIT THE BALL, even as we went down in flames.
My god they are dumb if they think they will find better. Imo.



They are stat nerds after all, in this line of thinking.

Failed the team by being hurt. Failed the team by lower exit velo...

And time has caught up to him according to a couple of nerd writers.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/11/2021 11:05:48 AM   
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Sign Cruz FFS.


Twins Daily thinks Ozuna would be good also....not so sure.


I've read that by a couple of people. Younger, and more likely to repeat his 2020 season than Cruz. Some are now citing injuries and declined exit velocity at the end of the year to not sign Cruz.

Never mind that in the first play off game who was it that delivered that first run of the game. and in fact drove in the only run in both of those pathetic offensive efforts?

And leads in the clubhouse.

Ozuna is also a career OF. You really don't know how well he would adapt to DH.


He logged 39 games in 2020 as the ATL DH, so apparently he's a lock to handle it ok yet rotate with the other OF's to give guys a break, per the nerd thinking.

Small sample size.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/11/2021 11:13:06 AM   
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Sign Cruz FFS.


Twins Daily thinks Ozuna would be good also....not so sure.


I've read that by a couple of people. Younger, and more likely to repeat his 2020 season than Cruz. Some are now citing injuries and declined exit velocity at the end of the year to not sign Cruz.

Never mind that in the first play off game who was it that delivered that first run of the game. and in fact drove in the only run in both of those pathetic offensive efforts?

And leads in the clubhouse.

Ozuna is also a career OF. You really don't know how well he would adapt to DH.


He logged 39 games in 2020 as the ATL DH, so apparently he's a lock to handle it ok yet rotate with the other OF's to give guys a break, per the nerd thinking.

Small sample size.



Agree completely. He's been up and down in his career. only 60 games and gaudy numbers last year. Who knows what happens over full slate.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/11/2021 1:13:38 PM   
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The only thing that scares me about Cruz is his wrist injury last year and played thru it.....and played well.

Azuna and been major up and down the last 2 years.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 6:31:07 AM   
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The #MNTwins DFA’d Liam Hendriks in 2013 when they acquired Phil Hughes.

The Aussie pitched 156.0 innings and Minnesota used him just twice as a reliever. He posted a 6.06 ERA.

In 2015 the #BlueJays made him a full time reliever. He’s since thrown 327.2 IP with a 3.05 ERA


And now is the White Sox Closer after signing a 54 mill deal

Man those Twins were SOOOO smart

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 7:48:44 AM   
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White Sox continue to add.
We just put a fence and the National Guard around Jim Pohlad’s Pocket.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 7:49:58 AM   
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White Sox continue to add.
We just put a fence and the National Guard around Jim Pohlad’s Pocket.



LOL

NOW the nerds say "most other teams aren't doing anything else either, so let's be patient".


Sheesh

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 7:51:19 AM   
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Liam Hendriks 2021 salary:
~ $13 million

#MNTwins 2021 bullpen:
Rogers $6 million
Duffey $2.2 million
Robles $2 million
Thielbar $0.65 million
Alcala $0.6 million

TOTAL $11.45 million


The Twins way

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 7:54:19 AM   
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The majority of MLB is waiting for....what?

The Twins are waiting on the universal DH decision to decide whether to re-sign their leader.

Now that's smart.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 7:56:39 AM   
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The majority of MLB is waiting for....what?

The Twins are waiting on the universal DH decision to decide whether to re-sign their leader.

Now that's smart.


It has been this way the last 2-3 years....sucks.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 8:31:06 AM   
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White Sox continue to add.
We just put a fence and the National Guard around Jim Pohlad’s Pocket.

We're smarter, and gosh darned it, people like us.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 8:34:00 AM   
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White Sox continue to add.
We just put a fence and the National Guard around Jim Pohlad’s Pocket.

We're smarter, and gosh darned it, people like us.


Yep

Got all those sabre stat people going in house and analyzing spin rates and fancy stuff like that.

All that fun stuff got them

no farther

than when Gardy managed with that gut of his.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 8:55:27 AM   
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The #MNTwins DFA’d Liam Hendriks in 2013 when they acquired Phil Hughes.

The Aussie pitched 156.0 innings and Minnesota used him just twice as a reliever. He posted a 6.06 ERA.

In 2015 the #BlueJays made him a full time reliever. He’s since thrown 327.2 IP with a 3.05 ERA


And now is the White Sox Closer after signing a 54 mill deal

Man those Twins were SOOOO smart

Hey, eventually he will turn 40 and the Twins will be looking pretty damn smart at that point.




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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 1:13:16 PM   
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Some thinking now that Hendriks replaces 2020 closer Colome in CHI, the Twins may push to get Colome for the back end of the bullpen.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 1:14:21 PM   
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So they upgrade and we grab their cast off.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 1:16:53 PM   
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So they upgrade and we grab their cast off.


Colome had an ERA under 1

price tag was 10 mill last year. Not really sure what the deal was there.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 1:17:07 PM   
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So they upgrade and we grab their cast off.

Yes, page 1 of the Pohlad playbook, but wait until they unveil the concession changes.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 1:20:57 PM   
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So they upgrade and we grab their cast off.


Colome had an ERA under 1

price tag was 10 mill last year. Not really sure what the deal was there.

Weren't there concerns about his velocity dropping last year, despite the ERA? I would absolutely take him as our closer over Rogers.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 1:21:04 PM   
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Maybe it's because he only had 16K's in 22IP, and they didn't get the bang for the 10 mill?

Hendriks will get his money one way or the other. For some reason the 4th and final year is 14 mill club option or 14 mill buyout.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/12/2021 7:27:45 PM   
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Flags now have 4 of the top10 finishers in last years AL Cy Young Vote.
Their roster is very impressive.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 6:20:09 AM   
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So they upgrade and we grab their cast off.


Colome had an ERA under 1

price tag was 10 mill last year. Not really sure what the deal was there.


MLB channel basically said Colome was more smoke and mirrors and didn't have the stuff Liam has. Colome is a changeup guy.

I would have no problem with him depending on cost.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 8:06:12 AM   
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Bad news for Twins fans. Here are the next 10 World Series matchups.

2021: Dodgers over Yankees
Now that the Dodgers have finally gotten one, it feels more likely that they’re going to win more titles, not less. After the last decade they’ve had, they probably should have won more than one; their luck is due to turn, especially since they’re still pretty clearly the best team in baseball. Los Angeles has been too powerful for the last few years to just go down as a one-title team. The Dodgers are primed to get at least one more. The Yankees are the pick from the American League, almost as a default. Is it possible there are four better teams (Dodgers, Padres, Braves and maybe even Mets) in the National League than in the AL?

2022: Dodgers over Angels
Yeah, might as well make it a three-peat, right? There’s no reason to think the Dodgers won’t just keep getting better, but the real leap here is the Angels, obviously. The hope here? They find themselves a couple of pitchers, Shohei Ohtani finally stays healthy for a whole season, Mike Trout has another MVP Award-winning year and then he hits a walk-off homer to win the AL Championship Series. A Southern California series sounds like a blast, actually.

2023: White Sox over Padres
It's the Padres' ill fortune to be in the same division as the Dodgers, but it’s also to their eternal credit that this reality is pushing them to press the gas harder rather than hitting the brakes. Here’s guessing they’re rewarded in 2023, when all the young stars are peaking, with their first World Series appearance of the new century. Unfortunately, they run into a team with just as much young talent peaking. They’re the two most exciting teams in baseball in '21, imagine what they’ll be in '23.

2024: Padres over Red Sox
It’s difficult to imagine the Red Sox staying down too much longer, though it may take them this long to get all the way back. Meanwhile, the Padres, hungry after just missing the year before, get a Reggie-esque World Series from Fernando Tatis Jr., who will only be 25 years old.

2025: Braves over Blue Jays
Atlanta only got one title out of the Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine years, and it turns out to be 30 years until its next one, in case you didn’t feel old enough already. It would be incredibly frustrating for Braves fans if they don’t make the World Series in the next four seasons, but this year, against a soon-to-hit-free-agency Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Jays, is the year that makes up for all of it. And Ronald Acuña Jr. at last becomes the Atlanta legend we all know he’s going to be.

2026: Mets over Yankees
Speaking of anniversaries … how about 40 years? The nice thing about Steve Cohen’s aggressive moves as the new owner of the Mets is that it doesn’t appear to have a time limit on it. He’s not just trying to win the next couple of years, in any sort of window: He’s just trying to win. If he’s able to extend Francisco Lindor, this could be the year when the Mets finally get over that hump. They’re going to keep trying until they get there. Do you realize that the only teams who were in the NL when the Mets last won the World Series who haven’t won one since are the Pirates and Padres? Is it a race to see who gets one first? And if the Mets do it, wouldn’t it have to be over the Yankees?

2027: Orioles over Giants
It feels like it’ll be about this time when both of these teams are peaking, right? Two smart front offices, with passionate fan bases deeply invested in them winning. Each will have surely shown progress in the years before this one. This is the one they finally break through.

2028: Dodgers over Tigers
The Dodgers haven’t been mentioned in a while, but there’s no doubt they’ll be good every year this decade. We don’t know many players who will for sure still be on the roster by then, but we know Mookie Betts (signed through 2032) will, which means they’ll be a force to be reckoned with. The Tigers are too proud a franchise who will have turned it around by this point behind all the young pitching they are cultivating now.

2029: A’s over Giants
It would be cool to have another Bay Bridge Series 40 years after the last one. Presumably the natural world elements would be a bit more kind this time around.

2030: Yankees over Cardinals
The new decade begins with a throwback matchup between the franchise that has won the most World Series in the AL against the one that has won the most World Series in the NL.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 8:27:16 AM   
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would be interesting to see what they said for the "next 10 years" a year ago at this time.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 8:27:53 AM   
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And the Twins not making it? Wouldn't and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

They don't do enough development or talent acquisition to win it all.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 8:44:12 AM   
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Bad news for Twins fans. Here are the next 10 World Series matchups.

2021: Dodgers over Yankees
Now that the Dodgers have finally gotten one, it feels more likely that they’re going to win more titles, not less. After the last decade they’ve had, they probably should have won more than one; their luck is due to turn, especially since they’re still pretty clearly the best team in baseball. Los Angeles has been too powerful for the last few years to just go down as a one-title team. The Dodgers are primed to get at least one more. The Yankees are the pick from the American League, almost as a default. Is it possible there are four better teams (Dodgers, Padres, Braves and maybe even Mets) in the National League than in the AL?

2022: Dodgers over Angels
Yeah, might as well make it a three-peat, right? There’s no reason to think the Dodgers won’t just keep getting better, but the real leap here is the Angels, obviously. The hope here? They find themselves a couple of pitchers, Shohei Ohtani finally stays healthy for a whole season, Mike Trout has another MVP Award-winning year and then he hits a walk-off homer to win the AL Championship Series. A Southern California series sounds like a blast, actually.

2023: White Sox over Padres
It's the Padres' ill fortune to be in the same division as the Dodgers, but it’s also to their eternal credit that this reality is pushing them to press the gas harder rather than hitting the brakes. Here’s guessing they’re rewarded in 2023, when all the young stars are peaking, with their first World Series appearance of the new century. Unfortunately, they run into a team with just as much young talent peaking. They’re the two most exciting teams in baseball in '21, imagine what they’ll be in '23.

2024: Padres over Red Sox
It’s difficult to imagine the Red Sox staying down too much longer, though it may take them this long to get all the way back. Meanwhile, the Padres, hungry after just missing the year before, get a Reggie-esque World Series from Fernando Tatis Jr., who will only be 25 years old.

2025: Braves over Blue Jays
Atlanta only got one title out of the Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine years, and it turns out to be 30 years until its next one, in case you didn’t feel old enough already. It would be incredibly frustrating for Braves fans if they don’t make the World Series in the next four seasons, but this year, against a soon-to-hit-free-agency Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Jays, is the year that makes up for all of it. And Ronald Acuña Jr. at last becomes the Atlanta legend we all know he’s going to be.

2026: Mets over Yankees
Speaking of anniversaries … how about 40 years? The nice thing about Steve Cohen’s aggressive moves as the new owner of the Mets is that it doesn’t appear to have a time limit on it. He’s not just trying to win the next couple of years, in any sort of window: He’s just trying to win. If he’s able to extend Francisco Lindor, this could be the year when the Mets finally get over that hump. They’re going to keep trying until they get there. Do you realize that the only teams who were in the NL when the Mets last won the World Series who haven’t won one since are the Pirates and Padres? Is it a race to see who gets one first? And if the Mets do it, wouldn’t it have to be over the Yankees?

2027: Orioles over Giants
It feels like it’ll be about this time when both of these teams are peaking, right? Two smart front offices, with passionate fan bases deeply invested in them winning. Each will have surely shown progress in the years before this one. This is the one they finally break through.

2028: Dodgers over Tigers
The Dodgers haven’t been mentioned in a while, but there’s no doubt they’ll be good every year this decade. We don’t know many players who will for sure still be on the roster by then, but we know Mookie Betts (signed through 2032) will, which means they’ll be a force to be reckoned with. The Tigers are too proud a franchise who will have turned it around by this point behind all the young pitching they are cultivating now.

2029: A’s over Giants
It would be cool to have another Bay Bridge Series 40 years after the last one. Presumably the natural world elements would be a bit more kind this time around.

2030: Yankees over Cardinals
The new decade begins with a throwback matchup between the franchise that has won the most World Series in the AL against the one that has won the most World Series in the NL.

What's the source of this BS.

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