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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 8:54:57 AM   
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Bad news for Twins fans. Here are the next 10 World Series matchups.

2021: Dodgers over Yankees
Now that the Dodgers have finally gotten one, it feels more likely that they’re going to win more titles, not less. After the last decade they’ve had, they probably should have won more than one; their luck is due to turn, especially since they’re still pretty clearly the best team in baseball. Los Angeles has been too powerful for the last few years to just go down as a one-title team. The Dodgers are primed to get at least one more. The Yankees are the pick from the American League, almost as a default. Is it possible there are four better teams (Dodgers, Padres, Braves and maybe even Mets) in the National League than in the AL?

2022: Dodgers over Angels
Yeah, might as well make it a three-peat, right? There’s no reason to think the Dodgers won’t just keep getting better, but the real leap here is the Angels, obviously. The hope here? They find themselves a couple of pitchers, Shohei Ohtani finally stays healthy for a whole season, Mike Trout has another MVP Award-winning year and then he hits a walk-off homer to win the AL Championship Series. A Southern California series sounds like a blast, actually.

2023: White Sox over Padres
It's the Padres' ill fortune to be in the same division as the Dodgers, but it’s also to their eternal credit that this reality is pushing them to press the gas harder rather than hitting the brakes. Here’s guessing they’re rewarded in 2023, when all the young stars are peaking, with their first World Series appearance of the new century. Unfortunately, they run into a team with just as much young talent peaking. They’re the two most exciting teams in baseball in '21, imagine what they’ll be in '23.

2024: Padres over Red Sox
It’s difficult to imagine the Red Sox staying down too much longer, though it may take them this long to get all the way back. Meanwhile, the Padres, hungry after just missing the year before, get a Reggie-esque World Series from Fernando Tatis Jr., who will only be 25 years old.

2025: Braves over Blue Jays
Atlanta only got one title out of the Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine years, and it turns out to be 30 years until its next one, in case you didn’t feel old enough already. It would be incredibly frustrating for Braves fans if they don’t make the World Series in the next four seasons, but this year, against a soon-to-hit-free-agency Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Jays, is the year that makes up for all of it. And Ronald Acuña Jr. at last becomes the Atlanta legend we all know he’s going to be.

2026: Mets over Yankees
Speaking of anniversaries … how about 40 years? The nice thing about Steve Cohen’s aggressive moves as the new owner of the Mets is that it doesn’t appear to have a time limit on it. He’s not just trying to win the next couple of years, in any sort of window: He’s just trying to win. If he’s able to extend Francisco Lindor, this could be the year when the Mets finally get over that hump. They’re going to keep trying until they get there. Do you realize that the only teams who were in the NL when the Mets last won the World Series who haven’t won one since are the Pirates and Padres? Is it a race to see who gets one first? And if the Mets do it, wouldn’t it have to be over the Yankees?

2027: Orioles over Giants
It feels like it’ll be about this time when both of these teams are peaking, right? Two smart front offices, with passionate fan bases deeply invested in them winning. Each will have surely shown progress in the years before this one. This is the one they finally break through.

2028: Dodgers over Tigers
The Dodgers haven’t been mentioned in a while, but there’s no doubt they’ll be good every year this decade. We don’t know many players who will for sure still be on the roster by then, but we know Mookie Betts (signed through 2032) will, which means they’ll be a force to be reckoned with. The Tigers are too proud a franchise who will have turned it around by this point behind all the young pitching they are cultivating now.

2029: A’s over Giants
It would be cool to have another Bay Bridge Series 40 years after the last one. Presumably the natural world elements would be a bit more kind this time around.

2030: Yankees over Cardinals
The new decade begins with a throwback matchup between the franchise that has won the most World Series in the AL against the one that has won the most World Series in the NL.

What's the source of this BS.


Some mlb.com writer

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 8:58:55 AM   
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Ok

Here's what the same guy wrote LAST YEAR https://www.mlb.com/news/predicting-next-10-world-series-winners

2020: Yankees over Braves
(WRONG)
2021: Yankees over Padres
2022: Dodgers over Angels
2023: Braves over White Sox
2024: Blue Jays over Dodgers
2025: Marlins over Angels
2026: Red Sox over Mets
2027: Indians over Brewers
2028: Cubs over A’s
2029: Cardinals over Orioles

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 9:00:39 AM   
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Bad news for Twins fans. Here are the next 10 World Series matchups.

2021: Dodgers over Yankees
Now that the Dodgers have finally gotten one, it feels more likely that they’re going to win more titles, not less. After the last decade they’ve had, they probably should have won more than one; their luck is due to turn, especially since they’re still pretty clearly the best team in baseball. Los Angeles has been too powerful for the last few years to just go down as a one-title team. The Dodgers are primed to get at least one more. The Yankees are the pick from the American League, almost as a default. Is it possible there are four better teams (Dodgers, Padres, Braves and maybe even Mets) in the National League than in the AL?

2022: Dodgers over Angels
Yeah, might as well make it a three-peat, right? There’s no reason to think the Dodgers won’t just keep getting better, but the real leap here is the Angels, obviously. The hope here? They find themselves a couple of pitchers, Shohei Ohtani finally stays healthy for a whole season, Mike Trout has another MVP Award-winning year and then he hits a walk-off homer to win the AL Championship Series. A Southern California series sounds like a blast, actually.

2023: White Sox over Padres
It's the Padres' ill fortune to be in the same division as the Dodgers, but it’s also to their eternal credit that this reality is pushing them to press the gas harder rather than hitting the brakes. Here’s guessing they’re rewarded in 2023, when all the young stars are peaking, with their first World Series appearance of the new century. Unfortunately, they run into a team with just as much young talent peaking. They’re the two most exciting teams in baseball in '21, imagine what they’ll be in '23.

2024: Padres over Red Sox
It’s difficult to imagine the Red Sox staying down too much longer, though it may take them this long to get all the way back. Meanwhile, the Padres, hungry after just missing the year before, get a Reggie-esque World Series from Fernando Tatis Jr., who will only be 25 years old.

2025: Braves over Blue Jays
Atlanta only got one title out of the Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine years, and it turns out to be 30 years until its next one, in case you didn’t feel old enough already. It would be incredibly frustrating for Braves fans if they don’t make the World Series in the next four seasons, but this year, against a soon-to-hit-free-agency Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Jays, is the year that makes up for all of it. And Ronald Acuña Jr. at last becomes the Atlanta legend we all know he’s going to be.

2026: Mets over Yankees
Speaking of anniversaries … how about 40 years? The nice thing about Steve Cohen’s aggressive moves as the new owner of the Mets is that it doesn’t appear to have a time limit on it. He’s not just trying to win the next couple of years, in any sort of window: He’s just trying to win. If he’s able to extend Francisco Lindor, this could be the year when the Mets finally get over that hump. They’re going to keep trying until they get there. Do you realize that the only teams who were in the NL when the Mets last won the World Series who haven’t won one since are the Pirates and Padres? Is it a race to see who gets one first? And if the Mets do it, wouldn’t it have to be over the Yankees?

2027: Orioles over Giants
It feels like it’ll be about this time when both of these teams are peaking, right? Two smart front offices, with passionate fan bases deeply invested in them winning. Each will have surely shown progress in the years before this one. This is the one they finally break through.

2028: Dodgers over Tigers
The Dodgers haven’t been mentioned in a while, but there’s no doubt they’ll be good every year this decade. We don’t know many players who will for sure still be on the roster by then, but we know Mookie Betts (signed through 2032) will, which means they’ll be a force to be reckoned with. The Tigers are too proud a franchise who will have turned it around by this point behind all the young pitching they are cultivating now.

2029: A’s over Giants
It would be cool to have another Bay Bridge Series 40 years after the last one. Presumably the natural world elements would be a bit more kind this time around.

2030: Yankees over Cardinals
The new decade begins with a throwback matchup between the franchise that has won the most World Series in the AL against the one that has won the most World Series in the NL.

What's the source of this BS.

MLB.com

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 9:01:16 AM   
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Ok

Here's what the same guy wrote LAST YEAR https://www.mlb.com/news/predicting-next-10-world-series-winners

2020: Yankees over Braves
(WRONG)
2021: Yankees over Padres
2022: Dodgers over Angels
2023: Braves over White Sox
2024: Blue Jays over Dodgers
2025: Marlins over Angels
2026: Red Sox over Mets
2027: Indians over Brewers
2028: Cubs over A’s
2029: Cardinals over Orioles

He's sort of consistent.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 9:02:08 AM   
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Ok

Here's what the same guy wrote LAST YEAR https://www.mlb.com/news/predicting-next-10-world-series-winners

2020: Yankees over Braves
(WRONG)
2021: Yankees over Padres
2022: Dodgers over Angels
2023: Braves over White Sox
2024: Blue Jays over Dodgers
2025: Marlins over Angels
2026: Red Sox over Mets
2027: Indians over Brewers
2028: Cubs over A’s
2029: Cardinals over Orioles

He's sort of consistent.



If he was consistent he'd pick the same teams.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 9:35:16 AM   
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Garver still rated top 10 AL catchers after terrible 2020

Twins are set behind the plate. There zero reason to keep Astudillo.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 10:45:14 AM   
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Garver still rated top 10 AL catchers after terrible 2020

Twins are set behind the plate. There zero reason to keep Astudillo.

No reason at all. Turtle is the kind of player, who can be a fan favorite on a crappy team, where the fans have nothing to cheer about anyways. The Twins clearly don't trust him behind the plate and, even though he plays multiple positions, he doesn't play any of them particularly well. Just a slappy bat that doesn't walk or hit for particularly high average.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 10:54:58 AM   
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Garver still rated top 10 AL catchers after terrible 2020

Twins are set behind the plate. There zero reason to keep Astudillo.

No reason at all. Turtle is the kind of player, who can be a fan favorite on a crappy team, where the fans have nothing to cheer about anyways. The Twins clearly don't trust him behind the plate and, even though he plays multiple positions, he doesn't play any of them particularly well. Just a slappy bat that doesn't walk or hit for particularly high average.



Yes

E-Z out

Perfect guy to have up w/bases loaded if you're on defense

Off-speed away first pitch, chase and it's a groundout or a double play, whichever you need.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 11:02:11 AM   
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With the moves the White Flags have made, Falvine is now in a position where they can't be afraid to get better. Even if it means parting with some shiny coins in the process. Balazovic is the only thing in the organization that I would classify as untouchable right now.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 11:21:56 AM   
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Am reading that Lewis "isn't as elite" of a prospect any more and that they're hinting at Semien or someone else is an indication of that.

Whose fault is it "he's not ready" yet?

good grief, he could have been up for a while, or even at the end of the year with expanded rosters. But no. So no he's not as awesome of a PROSPECT as before.

The lack of pushing up Larnach/Kirilloff/Lewis will be biting them in the ass because their value will diminish. Projected rosters have Jake Cave making the team again. WHY? because he can play CF?

Good grief play Lewis there in ST and have him ready. Or get Kepler in CF on occasion.

Rooker/Larnach/Kirilloff/Lewis all should be playing in the bigs this year if they're all that. It's past time. Same for Duran and even Balazovic.

I don't care if there wasn't a season last year in the minors. If they're all that the Twins and the nerds blow them up to be, play them.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 12:53:48 PM   
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Nearly 25 teams showed up at Corey Kluber's showcase today, and scouts came away impressed. His fastball sat 88-90 -- and he's got more velocity in the tank as he builds toward spring training. Kluber threw 30 pitches, including all of his off-speed stuff. Strong market expected.

Expected to be a guy the Falvine front office is going to chase.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 1:50:12 PM   
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Getting their tire kicking shoes on as we speak.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 1:51:26 PM   
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Getting their tire kicking shoes on as we speak.

Probably don't want to kick Kluber too hard. He's a little fra-gee-lay.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 2:00:48 PM   
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Getting their tire kicking shoes on as we speak.

Probably don't want to kick Kluber too hard. He's a little fra-gee-lay.


Seems like a waste

If Duran isn't ready to go as the 5th starter, something is wrong with the team's development

going

Big Mike
Kluber
Dobnak

3-5

is meh

vs getting a trade accomplished and going

(trade guy or Berrios)
Big Mike
Duran

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 2:04:30 PM   
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Do one of two things. Either go big and acquire a big starter or go with the kids like Cheecago did.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 2:11:41 PM   
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Do one of two things. Either go big and acquire a big starter or go with the kids like Cheecago did.


yes

If these younger guys are as good as we're led to believe should be ok.

And the wonder-offense should be able to support them most of the time.

I don't buy into the "need more seasoning" any more. All of these guys have been around enough. Time to get busy contributing, or cut bait.

Held off on Thorpe too long, and he's gone from uber lefty prospect to pumpkin.

Part of that is the development, or lack of it, the Twins have shown with pitchers. Look how long it took to get Trevor May on the right path. Duffey as well. Far too long.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:18:57 PM   
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The Twins are close to signing Sonny Gray. Do we like that?

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:27:09 PM   
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The Twins are close to signing Sonny Gray. Do we like that?


Not bad...about the same as Odor but can go more innings.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:28:28 PM   
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The Twins are close to signing Sonny Gray. Do we like that?



That's better than Kluber

Moves Big Mike to 4

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:30:16 PM   
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Curious what your source is Matt?

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:32:49 PM   
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twitter/sites I check have zip on this.

Where? you seeing that? Something mentioned on radio?

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:33:48 PM   
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twitter/sites I check have zip on this.

Where? you seeing that? Something mentioned on radio?

Dustin

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:34:25 PM   
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twitter/sites I check have zip on this.

Where? you seeing that? Something mentioned on radio?


Doogie mentioned him a week ago (Jan 6th). Tire kicking also Andrelton Simmons/Semien.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:34:53 PM   
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twitter/sites I check have zip on this.

Where? you seeing that? Something mentioned on radio?

Dustin


AHH Vandy connection.

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RE: Twins 2020 Season Post Mortem and Offseason - 1/13/2021 3:37:34 PM   
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twitter/sites I check have zip on this.

Where? you seeing that? Something mentioned on radio?

Dustin

Was he listening to AM radio?

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