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Wolves 2020 - 11/20/2020 8:11:07 PM   
David Levine


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Status: offline 		Beasley resigns 4/60. Final year is team option.

Feels a bit high, but teams are throwing out crazy money.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/20/2020 8:36:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about his legal troubles?

The average Joe would do jail time.

I do like Beasley though. Despite his shortcomings on the defensive side of the court.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 11:43:56 AM   
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Beasley resigns 4/60. Final year is team option.

Feels a bit high, but teams are throwing out crazy money.

Nelson Cruz convinced him to sign the deal. Pretty cool.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 1:34:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

What about his legal troubles?

The average Joe would do jail time.

I do like Beasley though. Despite his shortcomings on the defensive side of the court.


I know that we have the "big three". Is Beasley one of the other starters now or are his minutes going to be dependent on the match ups? 15 mil would be a lot for a backup.

Edit: Of course Ricky is a back up with a big contract too. (3 year contract for 51 mil)

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 1:44:19 PM   
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What about his legal troubles?

The average Joe would do jail time.

I do like Beasley though. Despite his shortcomings on the defensive side of the court.


I know that we have the "big three". Is Beasley one of the other starters now or are his minutes going to be dependent on the match ups? 15 mil would be a lot for a backup.

Edit: Of course Ricky is a back up with a big contract too. (3 year contract for 51 mil)


You don't have a big three.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 1:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		How many lottery picks do the Wolves have on the team? They should be very talented..

Evan Turner was the second pick in the 2010 draft.

Ricky was the fifth pick in his draft.

Jarrett Culver was the sixth pick in his draft.

The big three were either first or second picks in the draft.

Am I missing anyone?

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 2:02:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lottery picks mean zilch. Culver can't even make HALF of his free throws. Whoever Evan Turner is, he's a journeyman "shooter" who has a career .294% from three.

Big three again, LMAO! Historically, teams with a big three immediately play in the finals and win. Care to wager anything on that?
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 2:16:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Big 3s before they were called the Big Three:
Kareem, Magic, Worthy
Bird, McHale, Parrish
Wilt, The Logo, Baylor
Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc
Russell and pick two

Real Big 3s
Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Pierce, Allen, Garnett
Curry, Klay Durant

Shaq, Kobe, and nobody - no Big 3
Unseld, Big E, Bobby Dandridge is up there but they got together late.
Harden, Westbrook, Durant is up there but they disbanded too soon to fully realize their potential.

Claiming the Wolves have a Big 3 is an insult to the term and to those great (mostly Hall of Fame) players.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 5:28:11 PM   
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Big 3s before they were called the Big Three:
Kareem, Magic, Worthy
Bird, McHale, Parrish
Wilt, The Logo, Baylor
Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc
Russell and pick two

Real Big 3s
Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Pierce, Allen, Garnett
Curry, Klay Durant

Shaq, Kobe, and nobody - no Big 3
Unseld, Big E, Bobby Dandridge is up there but they got together late.
Harden, Westbrook, Durant is up there but they disbanded too soon to fully realize their potential.

Claiming the Wolves have a Big 3 is an insult to the term and to those great (mostly Hall of Fame) players.


Who’s the Wolves supposed “Big 3”?

Russell’s Celts may have had a “Big 4”

Cousy
Jones
Havlicek
Russell
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/21/2020 5:31:07 PM  1 votes
Guest
 BTW Kukoc doesn’t belong on anyone’s big anything. 😉

Rodman maybe

Good list other then that.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/22/2020 8:33:37 AM   
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Culver wasn't listed until he came to the 4th unit. He had guys on the end of the bench ahead of him.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/22/2020 10:42:19 AM   
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Big 3s before they were called the Big Three:
Kareem, Magic, Worthy
Bird, McHale, Parrish
Wilt, The Logo, Baylor
Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc
Russell and pick two

Real Big 3s
Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Pierce, Allen, Garnett
Curry, Klay Durant

Shaq, Kobe, and nobody - no Big 3
Unseld, Big E, Bobby Dandridge is up there but they got together late.
Harden, Westbrook, Durant is up there but they disbanded too soon to fully realize their potential.

Claiming the Wolves have a Big 3 is an insult to the term and to those great (mostly Hall of Fame) players.


Who’s the Wolves supposed “Big 3”?

Russell’s Celts may have had a “Big 4”

Cousy
Jones
Havlicek
Russell



True about Kukoc. Maybe just the Big 2 with Jordan and Pippen. Rodman would be closest but a lot of those guys played their roles so well.

And the 76ers with Moses, the Doctor, and - to assassinate Boston in the playoffs - Andrew Toney. Otherwise, Maurice Cheeks or Bobby Jones.

My all time Best 5 as far as traditional roles were the mid-70s Trailblazers. Just perfect. Too bad Walton hurt his foot in the playoffs in '78.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/22/2020 10:43:23 AM   
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Looking at a site that was predicting our starting 5 and depth chart.

Culver wasn't listed until he came to the 4th unit. He had guys on the end of the bench ahead of him.



But I read here he is one of the many lottery picks that should make the Wolves '"very talented".

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/22/2020 12:02:08 PM   
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Report: Ashton Hagans signs contract with Minnesota Timberwolves after going undrafted
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LEXINGTON - Ashton Hagans did not hear his name called in the 2020 NBA draft Wednesday, but he has reportedly already found a professional home.

The Kentucky point guard signed a two-way contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves shortly after the completion of the two-round draft, according to a report from Shams Charania of The Athletic. A two-way contract would see Hagans spend the bulk of the upcoming season in the NBA's G League but would allow him to be placed on the Timberwolves' NBA roster as well.

A strong defender, Hagans averaged 11.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 6.4 assists per game as a sophomore. He ranks third on UK's career steals per game list (1.776) and was named the SEC Co-Defensive Player of the Year as a freshman.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/22/2020 12:03:27 PM   
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NBA Comparison: Patrick Beverly

Strengths: True point guard with good size, standing 6-3 with a 6-6 wingspan … Has a knack for getting steals, both on the ball and in the passing lanes … Also adept at sneaking up behind offensive players to poke balls free … A very willing passer who looks to drive and kick to create for teammates … Very quick at getting the ball up court, excelling in transition … While not a reliable shooter, his form is not broken, meaning he could develop into somebody that can hit open jumpers reliably … Is a very team oriented player that values team success and seeing his teammates succeed on the court … Skipped his senior season of high school to enroll at Kentucky, meaning even after a sophomore season there will be plenty of developmental years left … Does a good job of capitalizing off defenders’ mistakes and finding openings to get into the paint …

Weaknesses: Often unsure or unwilling to look for his own offense, sometimes to the detriment of his team, as opponents will play him only as a passer … Uncertainty on when to shoot can result in him missing looks he should make or forcing a pass that results in a turnover … Very turnover prone, recording three or more turnovers in 18 of 37 games as a freshman … Takes far too many jump shots while standing on the three point … Shoots a low percentage on jump shots, including 27.5% from three … Hasn’t shown the types of handles that will allow him to break down defenders in a one-on-one matchup, will often need help from a screener in that regard … While he is a dominant off-ball defender, he is far from a lockdown defender when matched up on the ball, primarily because he takes risks in order to create turnovers …

Outlook: Hagans is a defensive minded point guard that looks to force turnovers on defense while managing his team on the other end and finding openings for his teammates … In order to maximize his effectiveness at the next level he will have to become a better decision maker with the ball in his hands … While he can collect a bunch of assists, defenders often start playing for him only to pass and when he doesn’t adjust it results in a transition opportunity for the opponent … Becoming a more confident scorer would force the opponent to play him in a much more honest fashion, which could unleash his game … He is far from a finished product, and if he is able to become merely a competent and confident shooter he could find himself easily in the first round when he declares for the draft …

What's your take DL?

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/22/2020 7:10:30 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 10:12:44 AM   
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Ashton Hagans

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What's your take DL?


Wolves apparently like him more than Kelen Martin, so there is that.

Kentucky players often outperform expectations, so that's something.

The Athletic:

The last time we saw Ashton Hagans, he was imploding. The play of the Kentucky point guard had deteriorated for weeks, and his frustration came to a boil on March 3 against Tennessee. The Wildcats had grown their lead from seven to 17 points while he sat on the bench in foul trouble, then blew it when he returned. Along the way, he argued with teammate Nick Richards on the court and barked at coach John Calipari on the sideline.

When the team showed up for its next game, what turned out to be its final game, at Florida, Hagans was not with them. Calipari said Hagans had stepped away for “personal reasons,” later adding: “He just came up and said, ‘I’m in a bad way.’ ”

Kentucky won without him that day, and then the pandemic shut everything down, so Hagans, a former five-star recruit and SEC Defensive Player of the Year as a freshman, ended his sophomore season and college career with a whimper: 60 assists and 45 turnovers over his last dozen games. His 24.7 percent turnover rate was one of the worst in college basketball among heavy ballhandlers. His 0.713 points per possession as a pick-and-roll ballhandler was decidedly average.

Hagans averaged 11.5 points, 6.4 assists, 3.4 turnovers and 1.9 steals last season. The assist and steal numbers both improved from his freshman year, but his shooting got worse: down from 46.7 to 40.4 percent from the field, from 27.5 to 25.8 percent from 3-point range. He missed layups at an alarming rate and was never enough of a threat outside to create good spacing. If you’ve read this far and you’re a fan of the Timberwolves, who signed Hagans to a two-way deal shortly after the NBA Draft on Wednesday night, you might be wondering, um, why?

“Defense is getting him in the door,” one NBA scout told The Athletic. “He’s got to be on his best behavior and he’s got to really improve his weaknesses, but I do think he has some sort of chance simply because you’re getting someone who brings something at a high level. He has the size (6-foot-2½) and wingspan (6-8) and good enough athleticism to where his defense should translate to the NBA. He’s probably going to have to go to the G League, and that’ll be a test for him, because it’s going to be real adversity. But he was a top-15 recruit, played at Kentucky, is a competent passer, can get to the basket a little. There is something there.”

Hagans looks the part, a shredded 193 pounds with 4.1 percent body fat, and he posted the eighth-fastest three-quarter-court sprint, the ninth-fastest lane agility time and a 36½-inch vertical leap at the NBA Draft combine. Only Rajon Rondo (156) had more steals in two seasons at Kentucky than Hagans (119). He and Rondo share the single-game record after Hagans swiped eight against North Carolina as a freshman, when he undressed future No. 7 pick Coby White, who scored just two points with Hagans on him and had more turnovers than assists.

“Not to say that he’s a poor man’s Pat Beverly, but we’ve seen guys like that stick around,” the scout said. “If he could try to be Pat Beverly, that would be great. That’s why you don’t want to write him off.”
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 10:19:44 AM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 11:55:41 AM   
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Minnesota Timberwolves: Jarred Vanderbilt is a key piece moving forward
by Trip Wagner 3 months ago Follow @notdwolfson


Jarred Vanderbilt could be a key piece of the Minnesota Timberwolves moving forward.

The most exciting Minnesota Timberwolves player that has not been discussed enough is none other than Jarred Vanderbilt.

A McDonald’s Al-American coming out of high school, this extremely skilled big man could find himself having a major impact for the Wolves moving forward.

First and foremost, he is just 21 years old. Due primarily to injury issues in his lone year at the University of Kentucky, the former Wildcat was selected No. 41 in 2018 by the Denver Nuggets. Frankly, the only reason the Nuggets have already moved on from him is a lack of opportunity moving forward on one of the league’s best rosters.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 12:00:08 PM   
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Everybody loves Ed Davis, the Nets big man who might be the NBA's best teammate
From Damian Lillard to Ben Wallace, those who know Davis raved about him to CBS Sports
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Dec 21, 2018 at 1:14 pm ET


NEW YORK -- "Usually people ask about people I don't like, and I have to lie," Evan Turner said. He was happy, then, to talk about his former Portland Trail Blazers teammate Ed Davis: "Really good dude. Wish he was back." When Davis agreed to sign with the Brooklyn Nets in the early hours of July 1, Damian Lillard tweeted a broken heart emoji for one of his favorite teammates ever. For a moment after a shootaround at Madison Square Garden in November, Portland's franchise player imagined Davis strolling in and announcing he was coming back, to a chorus of hell yeahs.
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"Everybody loves Ed," Lillard said. "I just think just having him around, it was different. I think we expected him to be around forever. We were like, there ain't no way, there's no way Ed's going to ever be nowhere else. I still think about it."

Turner and Blazers forward Al-Farouq Aminu talk with Davis daily on a group text. Lillard is in touch with the big man once or twice a week and hasn't given up on bringing him back to Portland. Ask around, from Chapel Hill to Brooklyn, from coaches to PR people, and Lillard's assertion is proven correct: Everybody does love Ed.

"I'm in love," Nets coach Kenny Atkinson confirmed.

Keep your eyes on Davis during a game, and you will not be blown away by his athleticism. You might catch a highlight block or putback dunk, but he makes his money out-rebounding larger players, setting quasi-legal screens and finishing in traffic.

Davis leads the NBA in offensive rebounding rate. The hustle stats page on the league's official website functions as an advertisement for his game: Per-minute, Davis ranks first in box-outs and ninth in screen assists.

"I know Dame appreciates him because he's setting screens," Turner said. "He's risking his body trying to get offensive rebounds. You can always count him to be there at the rim for you. If you get beat on the drive, he leaves his man and tries to come over and contest the high-flier. Most of the time, they ended up in blocks, but if they ended up in dunks, he didn't care."

Turner was shocked the Blazers didn't re-sign Davis. "It was only $4 million," he said, cheap for a "consummate pro" who was "really, really, really invaluable" to the locker room. Davis came off the bench for 202 of his 220 games in Portland, playoffs included, but his "impact on the team was if he was a starter and one of the captains," Lillard said.

Lillard and Davis became close, however, for non-basketball reasons. There was "no B.S. to him," Lillard said, describing him as humble, regular and real.

"If it was up to me, me and Ed would be teammates for my entire career," Lillard said.

Davis is in Brooklyn partially because the front office believed he'd have a positive effect on its culture. The nine-year veteran can also credibly be called one of the best backup bigs in the league. These rave reviews, though, are rarely offered for role players. How, exactly, has Davis earned them?

"Being real," Davis said. "That's the main thing. Being professional. Working hard. Guys respect that. 'Cause obviously I'm not the most skilled guy. I know I'm not a shooter. Nothing about my game is flashy. But I come to work every day, I play hard, I'm respectful to everybody. I speak to everybody, talk to everybody. I'm trying to win. I literally put team first. Some people say that, but I literally do that. I know my role. All that has a lot to do with it."

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 12:06:56 PM   
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Speaking of Kentucky players..Can he help at all? Or destined to Iowa again?

Minnesota Timberwolves: Jarred Vanderbilt is a key piece moving forward
by Trip Wagner 3 months ago Follow @notdwolfson


Jarred Vanderbilt could be a key piece of the Minnesota Timberwolves moving forward.

The most exciting Minnesota Timberwolves player that has not been discussed enough is none other than Jarred Vanderbilt.

A McDonald’s Al-American coming out of high school, this extremely skilled big man could find himself having a major impact for the Wolves moving forward.

First and foremost, he is just 21 years old. Due primarily to injury issues in his lone year at the University of Kentucky, the former Wildcat was selected No. 41 in 2018 by the Denver Nuggets. Frankly, the only reason the Nuggets have already moved on from him is a lack of opportunity moving forward on one of the league’s best rosters.


I really like him.

He was one of the best rebounders in college ball as a freshman. He averaged a stupid 18.5 rebounds/per 40.

And he killed it in the G League for us. 16 PPG, 13 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.4 BPG in 29 MPG. Put up a couple triple-doubles.

On the downside, he turns it over quite a bit, and not sure how much "stretch" in his offense.

And he's hurt a lot. He played just 5 minutes for us last year and has 115 NBA minutes for his career.

Hell, he only played 238 minutes in college.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 12:11:31 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 12:12:20 PM   
David Levine


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Status: offline 		Ed Davis is a guy I've wanted on the team forever. Totally professional, great locker room guy. Absolutely adored by his teammates.

Terrific rebounder and defender. No shooting at all. He's basically a center on offense.

His game fell off a cliff last year, but he's only 31 - so the hope is he just didn't get any minutes because he didn't fit what Utah was doing. And he would be basically unplayable next to Gobert
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 12:16:26 PM   
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Loved Davis when he was UNCs 6th man as a FR in their 2009 championship.


Its weird. All those UNC guys seem like they should be so much older than they are. Feels like they've been around forever.

Lawson, Ellington, Green, etc. They're all only like 32 or 33 years old.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 11/23/2020 1:35:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Loved Davis when he was UNCs 6th man as a FR in their 2009 championship.


Its weird. All those UNC guys seem like they should be so much older than they are. Feels like they've been around forever.

Lawson, Ellington, Green, etc. They're all only like 32 or 33 years old.


+1
I thought Davis was almost 40.

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