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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/24/2021 1:16:42 PM   
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The Timberwolves have the third worst record in the NBA now. I thought they were supposed to be improved this year. It feels like hell. (running on a treadmill and never getting anywhere)


We have one player that would start on a contending team and he’s missed most of the year.

If you expected more...that’s on you.


Last year we started the season with Wiggins. I thought the team made a great blockbuster trade to him out. Plus we got the first pick in the draft and he seemed promising in his first couple of games. Our first pick in last year's draft reportedly had worked really hard during the off-season. Then they won their first two games, including an impressive game over Utah on the road.

I believe I was in good company. I admit that I haven't watched a single game even for a minute since the first game.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/24/2021 1:23:55 PM   
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The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:33:02 AM   
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The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.



On the Bright Side,


“You have to be real good at being bad,
to be as bad as we’ve done well for so long.”

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 1:10:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.



On the Bright Side,


“You have to be real good at being bad,
to be as bad as we’ve done well for so long.”

-McMurfy


Your guy, McDaniels, is going to be our best draft pick since KAT.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 9:03:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.



On the Bright Side,


“You have to be real good at being bad,
to be as bad as we’ve done well for so long.”

-McMurfy


Your guy, McDaniels, is going to be our best draft pick since KAT.


Saunders quote tweeted by AP writer John K on the 22nd

Saunders: "There are some effort mistakes, too. Those are ones we can't have." Said he was searching for people who would compete and follow the defensive game plan.



Doogie replies:

Effort should never be an issue. As for having players who can’t follow a game plan, that’s ridiculous too. Basketball smarts matter. Having smart players matters. I worry greatly about Edwards and McDaniels having a real shot to grow in this environment. #Timberwolves

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 11:37:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.



On the Bright Side,


“You have to be real good at being bad,
to be as bad as we’ve done well for so long.”

-McMurfy

David,
Or anyone that has input.
What is it that has you already thinking Edwards was a mistake. I'm less informed on the finer points of basketball than maybe all of you, and honestly I haven't been able to watch very much. I would think a rookie struggling might be expected, so I was just curious what you are seeing that isn't correctable or something he will improve in time such as shooting percentage?
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:04:17 PM   
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Outstanding piece at Canis:

Inside the Minnesota Timberwolves’ Bland Offensive Strategy
The Wolves offense has been hugely problematic, so lets diagnose just what is going wrong.


https://www.canishoopus.com/2021/1/24/22246014/inside-the-minnesota-timberwolves-bland-offensive-strategy-2021

(For the tldr crowd, the first comment is very good):

This is a phenomenal article.

Really one of the best I’ve read on Canis or elsewhere in a long long time. Kudos, Joe.

There’s a lot of gems in here:

• Bland Offense with no pre-PNR action to create more space (like no movement before the snap in football to see formations and open things up)
• Dlow being a 2 level not 3 level scorer because of his lack of burst
• Lack of second and third reads in the offense
• Putting players in the position to succeed instead of relying on them to create out of thin air (esp when this is not in their toolkit)
• Rubio usage being low low low and wasting him entirely in Thibsian fashion
• Offense leading to bad defense
• Pointing out the good things Ant does early

But the big one that stuck with me was this (and I’ve made a similar argument in other threads):

These shots are symptomatic of a badly coached team with a loose offensive structure. This lack of structure worked in Houston because they had veteran players who didn’t need to be developed further. This is arguably the worst type of system to put around young players because it can lead to poor habits.
Really, again, excellent work, Joe. Someone get this on the Best of SBN.

Posted by Mnem on Jan 24, 2021 | 9:57 AM

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:09:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.



On the Bright Side,


“You have to be real good at being bad,
to be as bad as we’ve done well for so long.”

-McMurfy

David,
Or anyone that has input.
What is it that has you already thinking Edwards was a mistake. I'm less informed on the finer points of basketball than maybe all of you, and honestly I haven't been able to watch very much. I would think a rookie struggling might be expected, so I was just curious what you are seeing that isn't correctable or something he will improve in time such as shooting percentage?

They own Jump to Conclusions Mats.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:14:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

quote:

ORIGINAL: McMurfy

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

The team made a horrible trade by trading Wiggins for an equally bad player with an equally bad contract and we threw in our 1st round pick.

It also appears we’ve blown our past two 1st round picks.



On the Bright Side,


“You have to be real good at being bad,
to be as bad as we’ve done well for so long.”

-McMurfy

David,
Or anyone that has input.
What is it that has you already thinking Edwards was a mistake. I'm less informed on the finer points of basketball than maybe all of you, and honestly I haven't been able to watch very much. I would think a rookie struggling might be expected, so I was just curious what you are seeing that isn't correctable or something he will improve in time such as shooting percentage?


I see all the red flags he had in college. Poor shooter, does almost nothings else on the court. Appears to have serious BBIQ and awareness issues.


The Orlando game broke me: 23 minutes. 3/14 shooting, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, 0 contested shots, 0 deflections, 0 box outs.

This is a kid that has always been way bigger, stronger and faster than his peers. Loved football, but only switched to basketball because he knew he could make a ton of money. So he didn't grow up loving the game and missed out on all those fundamental years where you develop your instincts.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:20:22 PM   
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So how much longer does the GM get to clean this mess up? A good chunk of it his own doing?

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:29:07 PM   
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So how much longer does the GM get to clean this mess up? A good chunk of it his own doing?


My guess is it depends on how serious Taylor is about selling.

If its in the next 1-2 years, Rosas is likely safe.

New owner is going to want to bring in his own people, and it'll be a lot cheaper to dump Rosas with 1-2 years remaining vs a new guy who might have 3 or 4 more years to buy out.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:36:09 PM   
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That's the rub isn't it. How serious is Taylor about selling?

Doesn't seem all that urgent.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 12:46:54 PM   
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Not at all urgent. And the Wolves maintain their endless ride at the bottom of the league. Best case scenario for the year is to finish in the bottom 3, so we don't lose our pick in one of the best drafts in many years. That of course means we will finish 4th from the bottom.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 1:00:24 PM   
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Not at all urgent. And the Wolves maintain their endless ride at the bottom of the league. Best case scenario for the year is to finish in the bottom 3, so we don't lose our pick in one of the best drafts in many years. That of course means we will finish 4th from the bottom.


It barely matters where we finish.

If we finish with the worst record in the league, we still have a 60% chance of losing the pick.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 2:01:13 PM   
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Hollinger:

Group 1: Already past the time to worry
Minnesota: I thought the T’wolves had a chance to be a decent team this season. Instead, they are indecent. Yes, Karl-Anthony Towns has only played four games this year, and that has made them look even worse, but even with Towns, this is an awful, Charmin-soft team with basically zero viable forwards and a weird situation at point guard. The T’wolves are 28th in offense, 27th in defense and have been outscored by 10.1 points per game.

Minnesota is outscoring opponents in only two situations this season: A) when Towns plays (+6.2 points per 100) and B) when D’Angelo Russell doesn’t (+5.3 per 100, including this weekend’s win over New Orleans). Sure, things are likely to get a bit better. Towns will return at some point, Ricky Rubio will play better and top overall pick Anthony Edwards can’t possibly play worse. (As I wrote recently, he still makes plays that ooze potential. It’s the stuff in between that’s the problem.)

But Minnesota has already dug an impressively large hole, and then there’s the matter of the non-Towns roster. Who on this team would you even call an average rotation player? Russell, Rubio, Malik Beasley … and then we’re already drawing blanks. This could be a long year up north.

https://theathletic.com/2344106/2021/01/25/panic-time-heat-pels-and-mavs-scouting-tyrese-maxey-sixers-hollinger-notes/
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 2:08:16 PM   
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Regrading the Warriors and Timberwolves’ Andrew Wiggins/D’Angelo Russell trade

Part 1: Omari Spellman, Jacob Evans salary dump
This is the easiest to grade in retrospect because it was the simplest to grade at the time. To complete the deal, the Warriors attached Evans and Spellman, two projected non-rotation players who had an extra season left on their current deals.

This served two purposes for the Warriors. It ducked them under the luxury tax last season, which allowed them to avoid the more punitive repeater tax this season. That minor maneuver either saved Joe Lacob and the ownership group a whole bunch of money or limited the upcoming tax damage enough to make the Kelly Oubre Jr. addition more palatable. You think the tax bill is big now? Imagine if they were a repeater.

The non-financial part of the Spellman and Evans dump aided roster construction. Spellman and Evans weren’t part of the Warriors’ future plans. Hitching them to the Russell wagon freed up two important roster spots this season. The Wolves would later attach a second-round pick to them and send both to the Knicks. New York cut Evans before this season and Spellman earlier this month.

Advantage: Warriors

Part 2: The Russell-for-Wiggins swap
The Wolves were hot after Russell since 2019 free agency. That’s known. He agreed to a max deal with the Warriors just before he boarded a helicopter with Minnesota’s decision-makers. Their hearts were broken on the tarmac, but their eyes never wandered.

What’s clear in retrospect: The Warriors are fortunate the Wolves wouldn’t give up on their Russell dreams, very much motivated by Towns’ friendship with the point guard he preferred. If Minnesota had changed direction, there weren’t many other avenues for the Warriors to trade Russell — and the three years, $90 million remaining on his contract — for much value.

Wiggins has a near equal contract: Three years, $94.7 million remaining. Most neutral observers and opposing franchises seem to view them as about equal overpays, the decision on which one you’d want depending on what your current roster lacks more — a skilled high-usage starting point guard with defensive deficiencies or a supplemental wing who can guard better but score a bit worse?

The choice for the Warriors was easy. Wiggins fits their current roster construction — with or without Thompson — better than Russell did next to Steph Curry. They were desperate for competent wing play after Kevin Durant and Andre Iguodala’s departures and Wiggins has given it to them.

Wiggins is their second-leading scorer, is shooting nearly 40 percent from 3 and is defending at a high level early this season, shouldering a bulk of the toughest nightly assignment, contesting more shots than nearly every NBA perimeter player and providing some surprising rim protection. He entered the weekend 13th in blocks, behind 12 centers. The Warriors calculated that Wiggins would fit them better on the court than Russell. They’ve been correct to this point.

Minnesota would argue the flip side for its roster. The situation with Wiggins had clearly grown stale. The Wolves wanted to pair Towns with a prime pick-and-roll partner. Russell is dynamic in the high-screen game. It’s too early to judge how productive those two could be together offensively. Because of several health issues, Russell and Towns have only appeared in five total games together since the trade, winning two.

But this fact remains: The Wolves entered the weekend with a 119.5 defensive rating in Russell’s 430 minutes. The only other 25-minute-plus-per-night player in the league with a worse defensive rating is Sacramento’s Marvin Bagley III.

So it’s fair to wonder, given that they went on to win the 2019 lottery and selected guard Anthony Edwards with the No. 1 pick, what would be a better guard-wing-big trio to build around: Russell, Edwards and Towns … or LaMelo Ball, Wiggins and Towns?

Advantage: Warriors, at least early

Part 3: The draft-pick compensation
Minnesota dealt its 2021 first- and second-round picks in the deal. The Warriors have already used that second-rounder to help facilitate the Oubre trade with Oklahoma City. If the Warriors don’t finish with a top-10 record this season — and the early expectation is they won’t — they’ll protect the first-rounder they owe the Thunder and instead will send Minnesota’s second-rounder.

So that’s already some beneficial early use of an acquired asset. But the grand prize of this entire package — the piece that 28 other franchises would covet most among the players and picks that changed homes in this trade — still sits in the Warriors’ back pocket. That top-three protected 2021 first-round pick grows in value every time the Wolves lose or another one of these potential 2021 lottery-level talents has a huge night.

Minnesota did well to get that top-three protection. That’s probably the lone criticism of the Warriors in the reassessment of this trade. Is there any way they could’ve played hardball and removed all protections? Imagine the ability to dangle this pick on the trade market with the dream of Oklahoma State’s Cade Cunningham attached to it.

But an overall win is a win. The Warriors made this deal presuming the Wolves would stink this season. Minnesota clearly believed differently. So far — with a whole lot of season left and an eventual Towns return dropped into the equation — it’s tilted heavily in the Warriors’ direction.

Advantage: Warriors

https://theathletic.com/2332989/2021/01/24/regrading-the-warriors-and-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins-dangelo-russell-trade/
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 2:30:03 PM   
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That
Is

Depressing to read

Warriors take MN to the cleaners

And the GM fell for it hook/line/sinker.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 3:01:40 PM   
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Best case is we finish with the 3rd worst record.

The 3 worst records all have the exact same odds of getting 1, 2 or 3.

But at least when we lose the pick, its more likely to be 6th or 7th instead of 4th or 5th...
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 3:10:35 PM   
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Best case is we finish with the 3rd worst record.

The 3 worst records all have the exact same odds of getting 1, 2 or 3.

But at least when we lose the pick, its more likely to be 6th or 7th instead of 4th or 5th...



Also

Depressing


The continual suck is on an unending cycle.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 3:29:45 PM   
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Russell unlikely to play tonight.

Not sure what's going on. I thought he was held out of the Pelicans game for "rest".
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 3:41:25 PM   
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Russell unlikely to play tonight.

Not sure what's going on. I thought he was held out of the Pelicans game for "rest".


Story is he tweaked his quad.

Its possible that its just a way to bench him another game - and since its a national TV game, they can't "rest" him.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 4:09:20 PM   
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Russell unlikely to play tonight.

Not sure what's going on. I thought he was held out of the Pelicans game for "rest".


Story is he tweaked his quad.

Its possible that its just a way to bench him another game - and since its a national TV game, they can't "rest" him.


I'm sure he was looking forward to chasing Curry around for 34 minutes.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 4:55:52 PM   
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Russell unlikely to play tonight.

Not sure what's going on. I thought he was held out of the Pelicans game for "rest".


Story is he tweaked his quad.

Its possible that its just a way to bench him another game - and since its a national TV game, they can't "rest" him.


I'm sure he was looking forward to chasing Curry around for 34 minutes.


You mean "standing around watching Curry" for 34 minutes?



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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 9:27:05 PM   
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Other than KAT, who on our team would even be in GS’s rotation?
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 1/25/2021 9:40:13 PM   
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Well the wolves may not win but Edwards threw down the dunk of the year. So we’ve got that going for us I guess.

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