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RE: Wolves 2020 - 8/31/2021 6:25:34 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 8/31/2021 10:09:17 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 8/31/2021 10:27:55 PM   
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I read he had a short list of teams and none of them were in fly over country


Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic confirms on Dan Barrerio that Ben Simmons is open to being traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves to play with his friends Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell. Along with fellow Klutch Sports client Anthony Edwards.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 8/31/2021 11:19:17 PM   
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I read he had a short list of teams and none of them were in fly over country

Minneapolis isn't fly over country. It is an awesome city in a great state with all major sports teams.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 7:58:24 AM   
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I read he had a short list of teams and none of them were in fly over country

Minneapolis isn't fly over country. It is an awesome city in a great state with all major sports teams.


Doesn't matter what they call it...no location is fly over country any more....even SD.

LA reporters list LA and West Coast teams.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 8:51:54 AM   
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I read he had a short list of teams and none of them were in fly over country

Minneapolis isn't fly over country. It is an awesome city in a great state with all major sports teams.


Of course it’s great city. But to a lot of young athletes it’s a frozen tundra far away from the bright spotlights.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 10:53:47 AM   
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I read he had a short list of teams and none of them were in fly over country

Minneapolis isn't fly over country. It is an awesome city in a great state with all major sports teams.


Of course it’s great city. But to a lot of young athletes it’s a frozen tundra far away from the bright spotlights.

With Simmons, his HS teammate Russell and good friend KAT, makes the Wolves a desirable team.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 10:55:22 AM   
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I read he had a short list of teams and none of them were in fly over country

Minneapolis isn't fly over country. It is an awesome city in a great state with all major sports teams.


Of course it’s great city. But to a lot of young athletes it’s a frozen tundra far away from the bright spotlights.


Yup.

The players that really love Minnesota are the older married ones with kids in school. Guys like Teague, Tolliver and Bjelica all really loved living there.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 12:05:07 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 7:02:20 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4h-g4ck9g8

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 7:18:42 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/1/2021 7:29:32 PM   
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But he only turned 19 right before the draft, so it wasn’t out of the question that he could still be growing.

Timberwolves coach Chris Finch said Wednesday that Anthony Edwards has grown in the offseason.

By that Finch didn't just mean Edwards is improving his game, he meant the 20-year-old guard has actually gone up a few inches in height from the time the Wolves drafted him in November, from around 6-foot-4 to approximately 6-6.

"This is a very Ant thing," Finch said at the Star Tribune booth at the State Fair on Wednesday. "He told me don't let me get to 6-6 or I'll be Michael Jordan."

Jordan was also 6-6.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/2/2021 10:17:46 AM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/2/2021 10:23:33 AM   
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Yup. He was listed at 6’3 without shoes and like 6’4.25 with after the predraft measurements. I remember people being surprised he measured so “short”.

But he only turned 19 right before the draft, so it wasn’t out of the question that he could still be growing.

Timberwolves coach Chris Finch said Wednesday that Anthony Edwards has grown in the offseason.

By that Finch didn't just mean Edwards is improving his game, he meant the 20-year-old guard has actually gone up a few inches in height from the time the Wolves drafted him in November, from around 6-foot-4 to approximately 6-6.

"This is a very Ant thing," Finch said at the Star Tribune booth at the State Fair on Wednesday. "He told me don't let me get to 6-6 or I'll be Michael Jordan."

Jordan was also 6-6.

I love that comment. Ant continues to a breath of fresh air.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/2/2021 10:24:48 AM   
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According to Chris Finch, Ant has grown since the Wolves drafted him and is now 6'6".

That was reported a year ago. So if that report was correct Ant hasn't grown at all in the last year.

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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/2/2021 10:27:19 AM   
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That’s very intriguing news that he’s still growing. Dude’s going to be a monster before he’s done.


Paul George was the same way. I believe he grew like 3" in his first couple NBA seasons.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/2/2021 10:54:50 AM   
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Status: online 		The Warriors front office isn’t currently split on whether or not to accept a Ben Simmons trade offer from Philadelphia. There isn’t — and has never been — a realistic one on the table for them to discuss. Talks can’t be considered dead because they’ve never even really been alive, multiple sources confirm.

The Warriors were among the teams Daryl Morey called during his initial round of over-the-top inquiries. That came before the draft. As has been reported, he asked for a package of Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, the seventh and 14th picks and two future first-rounders. There was never bargaining. There was only a decline and a hang up.

Neither side has circled back. Morey certainly might at some point in September. The situation in Philadelphia is only getting more tense as the season creeps closer. If the Sixers slash their asking price significantly, it could warrant deeper discussion within the Warriors, from ownership to Bob Myers’ staff on down to the opinionated and involved coaches and veteran players.

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Joe Lacob isn’t bluffing. He does not want to trade James Wiseman or Jonathan Kuminga. You can question his vision, but I wouldn’t be skeptical of the transparency.

Go reread the quotes, if you want. He envisions Wiseman and Kuminga as supplementary, cheaper rotation pieces around an expensive core during their first NBA contract and the franchise’s superstar successors by the time they hit their second NBA contracts, ushering in the Warriors’ next era.

You may be more dubious of Wiseman’s or Kuminga’s future ceiling. You may crave more aggressive all-out asset usage and unfettered spending with the singular goal of capturing another title before Curry’s prime expires. You may care less about the back half of this decade and the idea of elusive sustained success than Lacob does.

But you’d be naive not to calculate his mindset into any hypothetical trade talks. Lacob is the one signing the checks and is an influential voice in the room, listening to an array of voices but ultimately remaining the one who needs to be convinced to greenlight any monumental decision.

https://theathletic.com/2803745/2021/09/02/ben-simmons-and-the-warriors-three-reasons-a-trade-is-unlikely-to-materialize/?source=emp_shared_article
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/2/2021 2:02:40 PM   
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Status: online 		Ben Simmons trade talk: The leverage factor, Wolves, Warriors, Kings, Raptors fits and best case scenario for Sixers

Sam Amick, David Aldridge and more

The Wolves, as The Athletic has reported, appear to be the most active team so far in trying to make a deal. How good a fit do you think these teams are to get something done?

Krawczynski: The Wolves see their situation as perfect for Simmons. Unlike Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns is a stretch 5, so the two of them wouldn’t get in each other’s way. They also have Anthony Edwards and, if they don’t move him in the deal, D’Angelo Russell as shot creators so they don’t need Simmons to be something he is not late in games. And Simmons’ incredible defense would be a boon to the Wolves, who also want to play in transition, another Simmons strength.

By my estimation, the Wolves are the team that has the greatest desire to add Simmons right now. Just one problem: They are not parting with Towns or Edwards and very much do not want to move Russell, which means they don’t have a great package of win-now players to offer a team that doesn’t want to rebuild, but wants to contend for a title.

There has been a search for a third team to help facilitate, but that is complicated and difficult to pull off. Some combination of players including Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverley or Taurean Prince (for salary matching) with draft picks isn’t as bad as some may think. If Russell ends up being made available, that would be a nice pairing with Embiid from a stylistic standpoint. But it certainly isn’t Damian Lillard or Bradley Beal.

But is there another package out there that will land Morey the All-Star he wants? No indications Dame or Beal are anywhere close to available. So time may be on the Wolves’ side here. And if Tyrese Maxey is included, maybe that could draw a third team into the mix.

All of this is to say that a deal between Minnesota and Philadelphia is going to be very hard to pull off. There isn’t a perfect match of players, salary and picks that immediately jumps out at you. But if Simmons goes full Jimmy Butler on the Sixers this fall, the price could drop and the Wolves won’t give up until he is on another team.

Aldridge: Minnesota’s definitely looking for a way to make this happen without hamstringing its future by giving away draft picks through the end of the decade. I don’t know many new owners who can resist wanting to make a big splash when they take over, and I doubt Marc Lore or Alex Rodriguez are any different. But I don’t know how interested Philly would be in a deal with Russell as the centerpiece. Jon’s right that an offer involving some or all of Beasley/McDaniels/picks for Simmons wouldn’t be ridiculous. I just don’t think Russell alone moves the needle.

Amick: It’s always good business to defer to Jon K on all things Minnesota, so I’ll keep my Timberwolves views brief here. But when it comes to this possibility, the part that intrigues me the most is the history between the two top front-office executives here.

Timberwolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas was Morey’s right-hand man in Houston, where they worked together for nearly 15 years before Rosas headed for Minnesota in May of 2019. Both men know each other extremely well, but it begs the question of whether that truly matters when the advantage, so to speak, is possessed by both negotiators.

Bodner: I think you all have mostly covered it. I think Minnesota is the most logical team to desire Simmons, but I don’t think what they have to offer is necessarily all that tempting for the Sixers. Getting a third team involved would be a key in something with the Sixers and the Wolves coming to fruition.

https://theathletic.com/2804462/2021/09/02/ben-simmons-trade-talk-the-leverage-factor-wolves-warriors-kings-raptors-fits-and-best-case-scenario-for-sixers/?source=emp_shared_article
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/3/2021 10:48:43 PM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/4/2021 7:36:35 AM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/7/2021 8:45:14 AM   
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No one is trading for Simmons until Morey climbs off his high horse. He's simply asking way too much for not only a flawed player but one that apparently has no intention of suiting up for the Sixers this fall.


agreed, makes no sense for other teams to trade one star for another star. Why tread water, especially for an enigma like Simmons.

That being said, for a team like the Wolves it is worthy of big risk because they have nothing to lose.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/7/2021 8:56:04 AM   
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/7/2021 1:15:11 PM   
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No one is trading for Simmons until Morey climbs off his high horse. He's simply asking way too much for not only a flawed player but one that apparently has no intention of suiting up for the Sixers this fall.


agreed, makes no sense for other teams to trade one star for another star. Why tread water, especially for an enigma like Simmons.

That being said, for a team like the Wolves it is worthy of big risk because they have nothing to lose.


Sometimes it's a matter of fit.

Embiid is probably the worst fit in the NBA among stars for Simmons because both need to occupy the same space on the floor.

Same with Dame and McCollum. They overlap too much in both strengths and weaknesses,
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/7/2021 1:29:28 PM   
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No one is trading for Simmons until Morey climbs off his high horse. He's simply asking way too much for not only a flawed player but one that apparently has no intention of suiting up for the Sixers this fall.


agreed, makes no sense for other teams to trade one star for another star. Why tread water, especially for an enigma like Simmons.

That being said, for a team like the Wolves it is worthy of big risk because they have nothing to lose.


Sometimes it's a matter of fit.

Embiid is probably the worst fit in the NBA among stars for Simmons because both need to occupy the same space on the floor.

Same with Dame and McCollum. They overlap too much in both strengths and weaknesses,


Simmons is perfect for Golden State because they already have shooters. Portland would be crazy to trade Lillard for a guy that can't shoot, it would be suicide.
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RE: Wolves 2020 - 9/7/2021 1:58:19 PM   
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No one is trading for Simmons until Morey climbs off his high horse. He's simply asking way too much for not only a flawed player but one that apparently has no intention of suiting up for the Sixers this fall.


agreed, makes no sense for other teams to trade one star for another star. Why tread water, especially for an enigma like Simmons.

That being said, for a team like the Wolves it is worthy of big risk because they have nothing to lose.


Sometimes it's a matter of fit.

Embiid is probably the worst fit in the NBA among stars for Simmons because both need to occupy the same space on the floor.

Same with Dame and McCollum. They overlap too much in both strengths and weaknesses,


Simmons is perfect for Golden State because they already have shooters. Portland would be crazy to trade Lillard for a guy that can't shoot, it would be suicide.


I don't think you can play Simmons and Green at the same time.

Portland is trying to trade CJ + more for Simmons, not Lillard.
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