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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/10/2021 10:15:22 AM

Bill Jandro

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After looking through draft profiles on nfl.com ...

Some prospect descriptions that should be post-it noted on our draft board:

Quick to sniff
Gets into crevice
Sees trouble lurking
Not a natural dog
Hips get sticky

Good ones. Wish I could remember what was said about a IOL last year about working in a phone booth. It wasn't the phone booth part because that's used a lot, but about how he battled in the phone booth. Oldies but goodies include fire hydrant body, computer feet. For Vera-Tucker, T-Rex limbs.

Bradbury might have the shortest arms ever for an olineman. less than 32"

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/10/2021 10:38:20 AM

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Payton Turner is a DE prospect in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 9.82 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 26 out of 1361 DE from 1987 to 2021.

Turner only just qualified, but was trending towards a fantastic score regardless.
(Kent Lee Platte on Twitter)

What does that mean?

I'm not clear either. Maybe it was somehow an unofficial time. I found this:

Looks like they updated Turner's shuttle times. Showing 4.33/6.98 on their website now.

(Alex Kozora on Twitter)

So perhaps his RAS is not quite as high as originally quoted. But still really good. That's what I'm gathering.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/10/2021 2:54:39 PM

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Payton Turner is a DE prospect in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 9.82 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 26 out of 1361 DE from 1987 to 2021.

Turner only just qualified, but was trending towards a fantastic score regardless.
(Kent Lee Platte on Twitter)

What does that mean?

I'm not clear either. Maybe it was somehow an unofficial time. I found this:

Looks like they updated Turner's shuttle times. Showing 4.33/6.98 on their website now.

(Alex Kozora on Twitter)

So perhaps his RAS is not quite as high as originally quoted. But still really good. That's what I'm gathering.

I asked Kent Lee Platte what he meant and he did respond with this:

I think they were just wrong.

Meaning the original numbers somehow were reported erroneously, but are now corrected. We'll have to leave it at that.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/10/2021 6:08:16 PM

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I just want to hand in our card and add the 2nd or 3rd best OL available in this draft. Not worried about value at 14 vs 20. I don't want to hear we had 5 grouped together so we let other teams dictate our direction and traded down. Just take care of business.

What's your opinion on this?

Slater makes it to #9. Speilman gives his old buddy Paton(Denver) a call. A 3rd and a 4th give us the value to get us to #9(Draft Tek chart).

San Diego(#13)wants OLine badly.

Do you make the trade?

For sure.

Looks like a case of another team (San Diego in this case) dictating our direction.

Just how many picks are you willing to use to get Slater? What if Denver (#9) wants OL badly? Give up #14 and all our 3rds and 4ths to get to #7?

All I can say is I'm looking to land one of the top 3 prospects. Which I think we can by standing in our spot.. I'd be ok with them spending some resources trying to snag one of the top 2. Can't give up the farm ant not pick again till the 5th though.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 9:26:04 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

After looking through draft profiles on nfl.com ...

Some prospect descriptions that should be post-it noted on our draft board:

Quick to sniff
Gets into crevice
Sees trouble lurking
Not a natural dog
Hips get sticky

Good ones. Wish I could remember what was said about a IOL last year about working in a phone booth. It wasn't the phone booth part because that's used a lot, but about how he battled in the phone booth. Oldies but goodies include fire hydrant body, computer feet. For Vera-Tucker, T-Rex limbs.

Bradbury might have the shortest arms ever for an olineman. less than 32"

Bradbury and Tucker will look so good side by side. They can compare companies that tailor shirts to, uh, unique specifications.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 9:27:33 AM

Bill Johanesen

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I just want to hand in our card and add the 2nd or 3rd best OL available in this draft. Not worried about value at 14 vs 20. I don't want to hear we had 5 grouped together so we let other teams dictate our direction and traded down. Just take care of business.

What's your opinion on this?

Slater makes it to #9. Speilman gives his old buddy Paton(Denver) a call. A 3rd and a 4th give us the value to get us to #9(Draft Tek chart).

San Diego(#13)wants OLine badly.

Do you make the trade?

For sure.

Looks like a case of another team (San Diego in this case) dictating our direction.

Just how many picks are you willing to use to get Slater? What if Denver (#9) wants OL badly? Give up #14 and all our 3rds and 4ths to get to #7?

All I can say is I'm looking to land one of the top 3 prospects. Which I think we can by standing in our spot.. I'd be ok with them spending some resources trying to snag one of the top 2. Can't give up the farm ant not pick again till the 5th though.

Fair enough. I presume Sewell, Slater, and x.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 4:16:56 PM

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On Twitter people are spreading this rumor that the Niners traded three number one picks and a late third rounder to get the #3 pick, but want to trade that with the Vikings for Kirk. Even if the Vikings have to return their first round selection of this year, isn't that kind of steep of a price? I'm also assuming they would have us take on Jimmy G. Or does that make sense for both teams?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 5:25:47 PM

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The rumor started with a reply to a post on reddit. A clearly made up BS post. Not worth speculating over.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 7:04:22 PM

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The Seahawks only have three picks. I believe their first pick is #56. They should be very open to trading back from there.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 7:10:50 PM

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The rumor started with a reply to a post on reddit. A clearly made up BS post. Not worth speculating over.

As opposed to the primary scientific papers that we usually dissect in here.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 11:25:36 PM

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I would like to see the Vikings trade their #14 pick and their #78 pick to Jacksonville for Jacksonville's #25 pick and #33 pick.
One trade value chart I saw had the #14 pick worth 1100 and the #78 pick worth 200 for a total of 1300.
The value chart also had the $25 pick worth 720 and the #33 worth 580 for a total of 1300.
I think the Vikings could get DE Kwity Paye of Michigan with the #25 pick and then S Trevon Moehrig of TCU or QB Davis Mills of Stanford with the #33 pick.

Any thoughts?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 11:38:20 PM

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I would like to see the Vikings trade their #14 pick and their #78 pick to Jacksonville for Jacksonville's #25 pick and #33 pick.
One trade value chart I saw had the #14 pick worth 1100 and the #78 pick worth 200 for a total of 1300.
The value chart also had the $25 pick worth 720 and the #33 worth 580 for a total of 1300.
I think the Vikings could get DE Kwity Paye of Michigan with the #25 pick and then S Trevon Moehrig of TCU or QB Davis Mills of Stanford with the #33 pick.

Any thoughts?

No OL? And Paye is probably a BIG if at 25. Maybe Paye if he is available, but then we have to go OL at 33

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/11/2021 11:52:10 PM

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Math checks out but the big red flag for me as well is no OL. All defense through FA and then through round 1 and 2. Let's see Zimmer grill some good steaks wo having to serve wagyu if he wants to brag about being a grill master.

I mean...I'll eat it and all..

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 12:27:54 AM

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Math checks out but the big red flag for me as well is no OL. All defense through FA and then through round 1 and 2. Let's see Zimmer grill some good steaks wo having to serve wagyu if he wants to brag about being a grill master.

I mean...I'll eat it and all..

Hell I think it’s damn near a given that the Vikings select best defender available.

Zimmer just has that effect on these kind of decisions. Spiels evidently gets walked over.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 7:19:06 AM

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Nice write up here

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/12/22368849/vikings-looking-to-draft-a-guard-not-a-tackle

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 10:06:35 AM

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Nice write up here

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/12/22368849/vikings-looking-to-draft-a-guard-not-a-tackle

If Mac Jones is there at 14, it wouldn’t be the least bit surprising if the Vikings traded down with Washington for their 2nd round pick and still had either a top edge rusher or top safety Trevon Moehrig there at 19. If that were the case, it may make more sense for the Vikings to look to fill another need with their first pick and look to Day 2 to address offensive line.

A plethora of t-rex types, and agree a lot of them are in the 20-40 pick range. Sweet spot to address both guard positions.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 10:11:20 AM

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Nice write up here

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/12/22368849/vikings-looking-to-draft-a-guard-not-a-tackle

If Mac Jones is there at 14, it wouldn’t be the least bit surprising if the Vikings traded down with Washington for their 2nd round pick and still had either a top edge rusher or top safety Trevon Moehrig there at 19. If that were the case, it may make more sense for the Vikings to look to fill another need with their first pick and look to Day 2 to address offensive line.

A plethora of t-rex types, and agree a lot of them are in the 20-40 pick range. Sweet spot to address both guard positions.

"Penei Sewell and Rashawn Slater, along with Christian Darrisaw, are considered the top tackle prospects in this year’s draft. But if they were in last year’s draft class, they may have been only the fifth or sixth ranked tackles."

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 10:15:44 AM

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Nice write up here

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/12/22368849/vikings-looking-to-draft-a-guard-not-a-tackle

If Mac Jones is there at 14, it wouldn’t be the least bit surprising if the Vikings traded down with Washington for their 2nd round pick and still had either a top edge rusher or top safety Trevon Moehrig there at 19. If that were the case, it may make more sense for the Vikings to look to fill another need with their first pick and look to Day 2 to address offensive line.

A plethora of t-rex types, and agree a lot of them are in the 20-40 pick range. Sweet spot to address both guard positions.

"Penei Sewell and Rashawn Slater, along with Christian Darrisaw, are considered the top tackle prospects in this year’s draft. But if they were in last year’s draft class, they may have been only the fifth or sixth ranked tackles."

Sewell would have been in Top 3. He's a athletic monster.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 10:17:30 AM

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Any interest in having a 2021 Draft Challenge?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 10:28:21 AM

Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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Nice write up here

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/12/22368849/vikings-looking-to-draft-a-guard-not-a-tackle

If Mac Jones is there at 14, it wouldn’t be the least bit surprising if the Vikings traded down with Washington for their 2nd round pick and still had either a top edge rusher or top safety Trevon Moehrig there at 19. If that were the case, it may make more sense for the Vikings to look to fill another need with their first pick and look to Day 2 to address offensive line.

A plethora of t-rex types, and agree a lot of them are in the 20-40 pick range. Sweet spot to address both guard positions.

"Penei Sewell and Rashawn Slater, along with Christian Darrisaw, are considered the top tackle prospects in this year’s draft. But if they were in last year’s draft class, they may have been only the fifth or sixth ranked tackles."

Sewell would have been in Top 3. He's a athletic monster.

Brady Christiansen does seem to fit the mold of olineman we've been targeting. Sounds like he is projected to go mid 2nd rd so trader Rick would have to some dealing.

I wouldn't hate a DE and this guy as the first couple picks

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 10:30:28 AM

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Nice write up here

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2021/4/12/22368849/vikings-looking-to-draft-a-guard-not-a-tackle

It's disconcerting to read that the top prospects on the o-line this year would not be the top prospects last year. That makes me think that the drop off between the first round and the second and third rounds is not not too much. The solution for that would be to trade back, or to choose a player in the first round at another position. (or to reach based on need)

Since evaluation is subjective, it really matters how the Vikings specifically evaluate the players. When I read the draft profiles, I see some variance. For example, the top prospect by most (Slater) may not be a good fit at tackle- or he might still. It's not clear. I don't the Vikings would care which position he would play. Vera-Tucker seems like a perfect fit for guard (but #14 is pretty high for a guard) and Darrisaw seems to be the prototypical LT, which is why I like him the best, but he is reportedly more raw. I do believe some of these players are going to go higher than expected, or much lower than expected. The latter would serve the Vikings well with their multiple third round picks. And it does seem that some of the players selected after these top three could prove to be really good guards in the NFL, even if they didn't play that position in college.

I've always liked to think of myself as a best player available guy, especially in the first round. So we'll have to see how the players fall before the Vikings and if they do trade their pick either up or down. So I'm not really locked into any particular player. There will be some really good choices at #14. That I believe strongly.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 11:25:59 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Basic alternatives:

- Go with Slater at #14 and then wait for the third round.
- Trade down/up to own a pick in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds. Go OL with two of the three picks.

The only given is after the draft Spielman will pat himself on the back with his picks while conveniently ignoring the incredible disregard and bad drafting of the IOL.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 11:44:22 AM

Bill Jandro

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If he continues to trade down amassing multiple 6 and 7th rd picks I'm going to lose it.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 11:46:08 AM

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Is there still a lot of OT/OG on the FA market (one that can start/help)? I still am pretty happy with acquiring Woods, Dalvin, Vigil, Peterson, and Alexander with literally no cap space......Looks like they still have a couple million and they haven't restructured Smith or Hunter yet.

As bad as he has done with IOL I think the rest has been a good offseason.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/12/2021 12:13:50 PM

Bill Jandro

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Wouldn't mind signing Lane Taylor.

He got hurt I think week one so has had time to heal vs couple of these guys that had a season ending injury late in the season or even playoffs

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