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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

Where was he all these years when they talked about tackling? He's just a crappy tackler and was a big reason we were so bad against the run.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

If we can sign a couple more DTs to help protect Wilson from having to tackle ... sure, why not.

Besides, would not be surprised AT ALL if we go LB round one ... because preparing for Barr’s departure next year vastly outweighs those silly OL issues this year (every year).

You know ... Barr was Zimmer’s first ... can he ever truly be replaced?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

Where was he all these years when they talked about tackling? He's just a crappy tackler and was a big reason we were so bad against the run.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Samia shouldn't even make the PS let alone the 53 man roster. Never seen such a poor unprepared player and that's saying something considering the crap we've been starting at guard the last decade.

There are some pretty good G's in this draft that we really need to go get. Guessing Cole would be better than a 6/7 rd player but he also came with a bit of a price tag at 2.2ml. I think unless Spielman completely shocks the world by getting two quality players to man the left side Cole will be our starting LG.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

If we can sign a couple more DTs to help protect Wilson from having to tackle ... sure, why not.

Besides, would not be surprised AT ALL if we go LB round one ... because preparing for Barr’s departure next year vastly outweighs those silly OL issues this year (every year).

You know ... Barr was Zimmer’s first ... can he ever truly be replaced?

The idea of signing Wilson and surrounding him with players that can tackle has merit. Protect him with a tackling bubble. Sort of a 3-5-3 D.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I have already stated that I think we are one solid OL (before the draft) away from having a great offseason. Spielman has somehow come through and done a great job revamping the defense (and I said that before we signed Woods).

We are just so close ...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

If we can sign a couple more DTs to help protect Wilson from having to tackle ... sure, why not.

Besides, would not be surprised AT ALL if we go LB round one ... because preparing for Barr’s departure next year vastly outweighs those silly OL issues this year (every year).

You know ... Barr was Zimmer’s first ... can he ever truly be replaced?

The idea of signing Wilson and surrounding him with players that can tackle has merit. Protect him with a tackling bubble. Sort of a 3-5-3 D.

Our new hybrid non-tackling ‘free range chicken’ position. All he does is roam around scooping up TOs, which Wilson does.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I have already stated that I think we are one solid OL (before the draft) away from having a great offseason. Spielman has somehow come through and done a great job revamping the defense (and I said that before we signed Woods).

We are just so close ...

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

And to think I was called out for not being the sunny optimist, maybe by you, for saying Spielman would end up signing a couple of bottom tier guards.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

Yep.

Blythe and one of these 5 (Slater, Vera Tucker, Darrisaw, Cosmi, Leatherwood)

Then people can continue the bitchfest because we don't have a proven Kicker.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Actually he only had 2 toys. A square block, and a block with a round hole in it.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

Yep.

Blythe and one of these 5 (Slater, Vera Tucker, Darrisaw, Cosmi, Leatherwood)

Then people can continue the bitchfest because we don't have a proven Kicker.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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eric wilson is still a free agent....

he seemed to play very well filling in for barr a couple of years back, but last season as a full-time starter for most of the year his weakness in the running game was exposed...we will very likely lose barr next year - could/should we sign wilson cheap and try to coach up his tackling and run game defense?....


'His PFF score was dragged down by his run-defense acumen. He graded at 38.3 last season in stopping the run, and that is rather awful for any defender. And it’s particularly strange because Wilson does everything else with esteem.

Tackling is not his forte – when compared to other linebackers with his skill set. Wilson notched a 12.2% missed tackle percentage in 2020. In 2019, Anthony Barr – the man that Wilson effectively replaced in 2020 – carried a 2.5% missed tackle rate.'...vikingsterritory

Where was he all these years when they talked about tackling? He's just a crappy tackler and was a big reason we were so bad against the run.

Yeah. Just roll with Dye and Vigil.

and Parsons

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

Yep.

Blythe and one of these 5 (Slater, Vera Tucker, Darrisaw, Cosmi, Leatherwood)

Then people can continue the bitchfest because we don't have a proven Kicker.

This is a sign of the level of malpractice here----if we sign a starter, then we'll be in a position to only have to DRAFT one starter instead of two. Remember, we currently have one above average starter (O'Neill, who is good to very good) and two below-average to average "starters", and then a bunch of reserves. Almost May, and we lack at least two starters......

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ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats

My mock draft (without Trader Rick's mass trade downs)...All good athletes and good all round football players. Be kind!
Also, assuming we sign either Lamp or Austin Blythe

1) Christian Darrisaw OT Virginia Tech
3) Elijah Moore WR Ole Miss
3) Deonte Brown OG Alabama
4) Trey Sermon RB Ohio St
4) Daelin Hayes Edge Notre Dame
4) Trey Hill OC Georgia
4) Charles Snowden OLB Virginia
5) Jacoby Stevens S LSU
5) TJ Vasher WR Texas Tech
6) Tre McKitty TE Georgia

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

Yep.

Blythe and one of these 5 (Slater, Vera Tucker, Darrisaw, Cosmi, Leatherwood)

Then people can continue the bitchfest because we don't have a proven Kicker.

This is a sign of the level of malpractice here----if we sign a starter, then we'll be in a position to only have to DRAFT one starter instead of two. Remember, we currently have one above average starter (O'Neill, who is good to very good) and two below-average to average "starters", and then a bunch of reserves. Almost May, and we lack at least two starters......

Spot on. I was expecting more on the OL in free agency. Instead, Cole is the splash signing. Since his acquisition was via a TRADE for a vaunted late-round trash draft pick, Spielman probably thinks he went all out.

O'Neill - good starter
Cleveland - unknown (assumes move to LT)
Bradbury - below average
Hill - good OT depth

The rest are scrap heap types, although Udoh is more of an unknown.

Looks like they are forced to go all-OL on days 1 and 2 of the draft.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Good article about our new C/G.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/is-mason-cole-an-answer-at-guard-or-just-another-backup/

Bottomline: We have signed a below average C ‘square’ to fit into a G ‘circle’. It’s what we do.

Does anybody doubt that Spielman smashed all his toys as a toddler? (or that Zimmer ate too much defensive play-doh)

Please! Trade for or draft a G to play G.

Would you rather have Cole as a backup or Samia? Would you rather have Cole competing at the guard spot where he possibly could be better than at center, or would you prefer a late 6th round draft pick competing?

I expect that we sign a guard yet in free agency who will start and draft another offensive line very early to be another starter.

Yep.

Blythe and one of these 5 (Slater, Vera Tucker, Darrisaw, Cosmi, Leatherwood)

Then people can continue the bitchfest because we don't have a proven Kicker.

This is a sign of the level of malpractice here----if we sign a starter, then we'll be in a position to only have to DRAFT one starter instead of two. Remember, we currently have one above average starter (O'Neill, who is good to very good) and two below-average to average "starters", and then a bunch of reserves. Almost May, and we lack at least two starters......

Spot on. I was expecting more on the OL in free agency. Instead, Cole is the splash signing. Since his acquisition was via a TRADE for a vaunted late-round trash draft pick, Spielman probably thinks he went all out.

O'Neill - good starter
Cleveland - unknown (assumes move to LT)
Bradbury - below average
Hill - good OT depth

The rest are scrap heap types, although Udoh is more of an unknown.

Looks like they are forced to go all-OL on days 1 and 2 of the draft.

I think they really like Hinton. Plus there is Brandel OT they acquired somehow from Oregon St.

Even at that....lots of work to do even with Cole trade for depth.