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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/4/2021 7:08:56 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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Don't like seeing $4+ M in dead cap with Rudolph just so that we can stay somewhat afloat this offseason. Another instance of Spielman kicking debt down the road.

I can easily see him giving up a 2022/23 first rounder for a second rounder this year.

The 4M+ is already accounted for.

His cap number this year(2021) was 9.5M. Subtract 4.4M dead money and you get 5.1M less against the cap.

Or are you saying this would have been different after June 1st?
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/4/2021 8:46:06 PM   
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It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/4/2021 10:33:44 PM   
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It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/4/2021 11:36:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 5:10:30 AM   
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There will be some nice options in round three for guards. We were happy getting Samia, though. I don't know if we have time to develop a guard from the third round. Maybe. I mean, it's supposed to be a good draft for offensive line. Obviously I'm confused.
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 6:17:54 AM   
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They are talking up Hinton on the Athletic. They say he just needed a year to develop since he came from a Div II school.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 7:52:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

They are talking up Hinton on the Athletic. They say he just needed a year to develop since he came from a Div II school.

Are these objective people or Viking Homer type guys?
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 7:53:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Yep.
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 7:58:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.



Trade Reiff for a guard, Barr for a 3 Tech and draft BPA.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 8:30:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.



Trade Reiff for a guard, Barr for a 3 Tech and draft BPA.


Some times it just seems so easy, get it done!!!
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 8:54:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.



Trade Reiff for a guard, Barr for a 3 Tech and draft BPA.

I don't think anyone is trading for Barr's contract, though.
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 9:18:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.



Trade Reiff for a guard, Barr for a 3 Tech and draft BPA.

I don't think anyone is trading for Barr's contract, though.


Try the jets.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 9:29:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.
It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.

Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Trade Reiff for a guard, Barr for a 3 Tech and draft BPA.

I don't think anyone is trading for Barr's contract, though.

Try the jets.

I got the sense of thoroughly burned bridge when Barr backed out on his deal with the Jets last time.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 10:23:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.
It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.

Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Trade Reiff for a guard, Barr for a 3 Tech and draft BPA.

I don't think anyone is trading for Barr's contract, though.

Try the jets.

I got the sense of thoroughly burned bridge when Barr backed out on his deal with the Jets last time.


Didn't stop Gesson Rosas when Russell chose the Warriors over us at the last second.

Bad GMs are going to bad GM.
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 10:36:13 AM   
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They are talking up Hinton on the Athletic. They say he just needed a year to develop since he came from a Div II school.

Oh God. The Samia Udoh beast just sprouted another head.
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 11:24:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

They are talking up Hinton on the Athletic. They say he just needed a year to develop since he came from a Div II school.

Oh God. The Samia Udoh beast just sprouted another head.

We're building a Hydra of players who can't play guard.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 12:04:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

They are talking up Hinton on the Athletic. They say he just needed a year to develop since he came from a Div II school.

Oh God. The Samia Udoh beast just sprouted another head.

We're building a Hydra of players who can't play guard.


Technically we don't know if Udoh is any good or not and also he is a tackle. Maybe it should be the Samia Dozier beast?

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 12:18:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Yep.

and when that fails blame RS.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 12:23:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Yep.

and when that fails blame RS.


What? Explain please.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 1:09:23 PM   
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Now the Chargers are looking to move G Trai Turner.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 1:10:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Yep.

and when that fails blame RS.


What? Explain please.


and when that fails SOP?
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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 2:28:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Yep.

and when that fails blame RS.


What? Explain please.

No matter what this regime has done in the past decade this Oline has been a joke. No matter what move they make, my cynical ass sees that it will fail. and then this board will uniformly blame Rick Spielman. So if they do what you want them to do and it predictably fails, because all Oline moves by this team always do, people will look for someone to blame. and it wont be the poster that suggested it that they blame.

It will be RS fault. Because he did the moves.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 2:51:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's turning into a buyer's market for guards. Norwell and Zeitler are both being actively shopped right now.

Both have 12M base salaries for 2021.

I'm sure a 4th rounder would do the trick. And then some restructuring.


Try to trade Reiff for one of them straight up, move Ezra to LT, draft another G in round 3 or 4. Line fixed.

Yep.

and when that fails blame RS.


What? Explain please.

No matter what this regime has done in the past decade this Oline has been a joke. No matter what move they make, my cynical ass sees that it will fail. and then this board will uniformly blame Rick Spielman. So if they do what you want them to do and it predictably fails, because all Oline moves by this team always do, people will look for someone to blame. and it wont be the poster that suggested it that they blame.

It will be RS fault. Because he did the moves.


The last time I offered any ideas on o line it was osemile and okung. Would have been good moves. We stuck with #4 overall kalil

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 2:52:53 PM   
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Also wanted to draft will Hernandez.

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RE: Free Agency 2021 - 3/5/2021 4:08:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

They are talking up Hinton on the Athletic. They say he just needed a year to develop since he came from a Div II school.

Oh God. The Samia Udoh beast just sprouted another head.

We're building a Hydra of players who can't play guard.


Technically we don't know if Udoh is any good or not and also he is a tackle. Maybe it should be the Samia Dozier beast?

Technically, I was just talking about OL in general but even more so, about projecting non-proven invisible back-ups to fix vast gaping chasms of ineptitude based on an offhanded positive tweet here or an online comment there.

Just like I turned Phil's offhanded post into a mountainous molehill.
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