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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/13/2022 9:23:49 PM   
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No "team no hitter" or "team shut out".

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/14/2022 6:17:37 AM   
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No "team no hitter" or "team shut out".


Inexcusable

Save the bullpen

or some such nonsense

and you wind up coughing up 3 runs on top of losing the no hitter

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/14/2022 10:48:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Anatomy of another disappointment.


Off Season: Falvine started off looking like they were making the right moves. Before the lockout, they nailed Buxton down to multi-year deal that protected them from Buck's extensive injury history. They traded a shiny coin for Sonny Gray. Heading into spring training they shocked everybody and signed Correa. They made a series of moves in trading Fred Garvin for Kiner Filefa and 24 hour later packaging KF and Donaldson for Urshala and Sanchez.

The problem is that they needed another front line starter to go with Gray. Instead, they decided to sign Homer Bai...I mean JA Happ and Matt Shoe...I mean Al Bundy and Chris Archer. This assured that they would have to rely on unproven Joe Ryan and injury prone Bailey Ober to fill the 2-3 slots. Then they made a deal to add hard throwing high era Chris Paddack, despite knowing his elbow was hanging on by a thread. The also brought in Pagan to further weaken an already bad bullpen. But, what the hell, they still had Smeltzer and Uber waiting in the wings.

We were all heartened when the Twins started the season with Jake Cave off the 40 man roster. Youth was being served. Kirilloff and Larnach were playing and contributing. Correa was flashing great play and even greater leadership. Buck was healthy. Jeffers and Sanchez looked like a viable catching rotation. Ryan and Ober started out well. Paddack wasn't half bad and even Ted Bundy was contributing. The Twins were winning and then...

Injuries, injuries and more injuries. First was Sano and we all thought...great, this opens up more time for young players. Then the last strand of Paddack's UCL snapped. Winder came up, looked good, shut down for second straight year with a shoulder impingement. Ober missed months with a groin pull. Larnach, abdominal surgery. Kirilloff, season ending wrist surgery. Jeffers injury exposed the complete lack of depth at catcher. The Twins acquired Sonny Leon to catch. A man so bad he lost his job to Matt Hedges. Oh yeah, that bs about resting Buxton regularly to keep him healthy. Turns out he was hurt right away and they were resting him regularly to save on a gimpy knee. Worked so much better than just shutting him down when it happened. A season of favoring the knee aggravated the ligaments in his hip. So, Buck is on the IL while the games matter most.

As inevitable as death and taxes, Smeltzer and Cave returned to the roster and the lineup.

The bullpen imploded. Pagan made everyone pine for Colome. Duffey completely lost his stuff. The Twins tried to remedy this by cycling 97 pitchers between the majors and AAA. This was bound to confuse the other teams hitters right? Rocco made a horrible situation worse by refusing to let starters pitch more than 2 times through the rotation. A terrible bullpen became a terrible & overworked bullpen.

Speaking of Rocco, his game management has been pathetic. It's not just pitching mismanagement. Other coaches have been bad as well. Mayor Watkins has surpassed every previous Twins 3B coach in sending runners to an untimely demise at home plate.

I'm sure I have overlooked plenty. The Twins will no doubt chalk it up to bad luck. The Wonder Twins will probably stand pat with the pitching staff. No doubt they will bank on Maeda coming back like he was in 2020. They will assume Paddack will be just fine after a second TJ. They will stick with Rocco and his bad managing. They will stand behind Sean Johnson and his terrible drafts. The Pohlads will stand behind Falvine and their culture of mediocrity.

Stick a fork in 2022 and rinse and repeat for 2023.


Though true this post was posted about a month early.

Too soon sir

Too soon

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 7:39:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Anatomy of another disappointment.


Off Season: Falvine started off looking like they were making the right moves. Before the lockout, they nailed Buxton down to multi-year deal that protected them from Buck's extensive injury history. They traded a shiny coin for Sonny Gray. Heading into spring training they shocked everybody and signed Correa. They made a series of moves in trading Fred Garvin for Kiner Filefa and 24 hour later packaging KF and Donaldson for Urshala and Sanchez.

The problem is that they needed another front line starter to go with Gray. Instead, they decided to sign Homer Bai...I mean JA Happ and Matt Shoe...I mean Al Bundy and Chris Archer. This assured that they would have to rely on unproven Joe Ryan and injury prone Bailey Ober to fill the 2-3 slots. Then they made a deal to add hard throwing high era Chris Paddack, despite knowing his elbow was hanging on by a thread. The also brought in Pagan to further weaken an already bad bullpen. But, what the hell, they still had Smeltzer and Uber waiting in the wings.

We were all heartened when the Twins started the season with Jake Cave off the 40 man roster. Youth was being served. Kirilloff and Larnach were playing and contributing. Correa was flashing great play and even greater leadership. Buck was healthy. Jeffers and Sanchez looked like a viable catching rotation. Ryan and Ober started out well. Paddack wasn't half bad and even Ted Bundy was contributing. The Twins were winning and then...

Injuries, injuries and more injuries. First was Sano and we all thought...great, this opens up more time for young players. Then the last strand of Paddack's UCL snapped. Winder came up, looked good, shut down for second straight year with a shoulder impingement. Ober missed months with a groin pull. Larnach, abdominal surgery. Kirilloff, season ending wrist surgery. Jeffers injury exposed the complete lack of depth at catcher. The Twins acquired Sonny Leon to catch. A man so bad he lost his job to Matt Hedges. Oh yeah, that bs about resting Buxton regularly to keep him healthy. Turns out he was hurt right away and they were resting him regularly to save on a gimpy knee. Worked so much better than just shutting him down when it happened. A season of favoring the knee aggravated the ligaments in his hip. So, Buck is on the IL while the games matter most.

As inevitable as death and taxes, Smeltzer and Cave returned to the roster and the lineup.

The bullpen imploded. Pagan made everyone pine for Colome. Duffey completely lost his stuff. The Twins tried to remedy this by cycling 97 pitchers between the majors and AAA. This was bound to confuse the other teams hitters right? Rocco made a horrible situation worse by refusing to let starters pitch more than 2 times through the rotation. A terrible bullpen became a terrible & overworked bullpen.

Speaking of Rocco, his game management has been pathetic. It's not just pitching mismanagement. Other coaches have been bad as well. Mayor Watkins has surpassed every previous Twins 3B coach in sending runners to an untimely demise at home plate.

I'm sure I have overlooked plenty. The Twins will no doubt chalk it up to bad luck. The Wonder Twins will probably stand pat with the pitching staff. No doubt they will bank on Maeda coming back like he was in 2020. They will assume Paddack will be just fine after a second TJ. They will stick with Rocco and his bad managing. They will stand behind Sean Johnson and his terrible drafts. The Pohlads will stand behind Falvine and their culture of mediocrity.

Stick a fork in 2022 and rinse and repeat for 2023.


Though true this post was posted about a month early.

Too soon sir

Too soon


Big Brother was on last night so I watched that instead. Guardians of the Galaxy were on also; Twins aren't fun to watch and haven't been for a while.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 8:58:44 AM   
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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 10:33:45 AM   
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An amazing stat was pointed out on the TV broadcast. Maybe people here were aware of it but I wasn’t. In order to qualify for the ERA title a pitcher must have 162 innings. This season, for the first time in Twins history they will not have a single qualifying pitcher. Ryan leads the team with 129 and will get, like 3 more starts.

This is unthinkable. A combination of injuries and Rocco’s insistence to turn the ball over to an overworked bullpen after 5 innings.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 10:52:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Anatomy of another disappointment.


Off Season: Falvine started off looking like they were making the right moves. Before the lockout, they nailed Buxton down to multi-year deal that protected them from Buck's extensive injury history. They traded a shiny coin for Sonny Gray. Heading into spring training they shocked everybody and signed Correa. They made a series of moves in trading Fred Garvin for Kiner Filefa and 24 hour later packaging KF and Donaldson for Urshala and Sanchez.

The problem is that they needed another front line starter to go with Gray. Instead, they decided to sign Homer Bai...I mean JA Happ and Matt Shoe...I mean Al Bundy and Chris Archer. This assured that they would have to rely on unproven Joe Ryan and injury prone Bailey Ober to fill the 2-3 slots. Then they made a deal to add hard throwing high era Chris Paddack, despite knowing his elbow was hanging on by a thread. The also brought in Pagan to further weaken an already bad bullpen. But, what the hell, they still had Smeltzer and Uber waiting in the wings.

We were all heartened when the Twins started the season with Jake Cave off the 40 man roster. Youth was being served. Kirilloff and Larnach were playing and contributing. Correa was flashing great play and even greater leadership. Buck was healthy. Jeffers and Sanchez looked like a viable catching rotation. Ryan and Ober started out well. Paddack wasn't half bad and even Ted Bundy was contributing. The Twins were winning and then...

Injuries, injuries and more injuries. First was Sano and we all thought...great, this opens up more time for young players. Then the last strand of Paddack's UCL snapped. Winder came up, looked good, shut down for second straight year with a shoulder impingement. Ober missed months with a groin pull. Larnach, abdominal surgery. Kirilloff, season ending wrist surgery. Jeffers injury exposed the complete lack of depth at catcher. The Twins acquired Sonny Leon to catch. A man so bad he lost his job to Matt Hedges. Oh yeah, that bs about resting Buxton regularly to keep him healthy. Turns out he was hurt right away and they were resting him regularly to save on a gimpy knee. Worked so much better than just shutting him down when it happened. A season of favoring the knee aggravated the ligaments in his hip. So, Buck is on the IL while the games matter most.

As inevitable as death and taxes, Smeltzer and Cave returned to the roster and the lineup.

The bullpen imploded. Pagan made everyone pine for Colome. Duffey completely lost his stuff. The Twins tried to remedy this by cycling 97 pitchers between the majors and AAA. This was bound to confuse the other teams hitters right? Rocco made a horrible situation worse by refusing to let starters pitch more than 2 times through the rotation. A terrible bullpen became a terrible & overworked bullpen.

Speaking of Rocco, his game management has been pathetic. It's not just pitching mismanagement. Other coaches have been bad as well. Mayor Watkins has surpassed every previous Twins 3B coach in sending runners to an untimely demise at home plate.

I'm sure I have overlooked plenty. The Twins will no doubt chalk it up to bad luck. The Wonder Twins will probably stand pat with the pitching staff. No doubt they will bank on Maeda coming back like he was in 2020. They will assume Paddack will be just fine after a second TJ. They will stick with Rocco and his bad managing. They will stand behind Sean Johnson and his terrible drafts. The Pohlads will stand behind Falvine and their culture of mediocrity.

Stick a fork in 2022 and rinse and repeat for 2023.


Though true this post was posted about a month early.

Too soon sir

Too soon


Big Brother was on last night so I watched that instead. Guardians of the Galaxy were on also; Twins aren't fun to watch and haven't been for a while.

You missed out. I was at the game last night. I was informed I was missing Dick and Justin reminiscing about Scott Baker's near perfect-game from August 31, 2007. I think about that game often. Sorry I missed the discussion, but happy I was attending an exciting Twins win.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 11:07:02 AM   
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You often think about a "near" perfect game from 15 years ago by a marginal pitcher?
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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 11:08:43 AM   
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You often think about a "near" perfect game from 15 years ago by a marginal pitcher?

It was 4 days before my dad passed away. We had fun talking about it on the phone.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 11:12:52 AM   
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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 11:24:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Anatomy of another disappointment.


Off Season: Falvine started off looking like they were making the right moves. Before the lockout, they nailed Buxton down to multi-year deal that protected them from Buck's extensive injury history. They traded a shiny coin for Sonny Gray. Heading into spring training they shocked everybody and signed Correa. They made a series of moves in trading Fred Garvin for Kiner Filefa and 24 hour later packaging KF and Donaldson for Urshala and Sanchez.

The problem is that they needed another front line starter to go with Gray. Instead, they decided to sign Homer Bai...I mean JA Happ and Matt Shoe...I mean Al Bundy and Chris Archer. This assured that they would have to rely on unproven Joe Ryan and injury prone Bailey Ober to fill the 2-3 slots. Then they made a deal to add hard throwing high era Chris Paddack, despite knowing his elbow was hanging on by a thread. The also brought in Pagan to further weaken an already bad bullpen. But, what the hell, they still had Smeltzer and Uber waiting in the wings.

We were all heartened when the Twins started the season with Jake Cave off the 40 man roster. Youth was being served. Kirilloff and Larnach were playing and contributing. Correa was flashing great play and even greater leadership. Buck was healthy. Jeffers and Sanchez looked like a viable catching rotation. Ryan and Ober started out well. Paddack wasn't half bad and even Ted Bundy was contributing. The Twins were winning and then...

Injuries, injuries and more injuries. First was Sano and we all thought...great, this opens up more time for young players. Then the last strand of Paddack's UCL snapped. Winder came up, looked good, shut down for second straight year with a shoulder impingement. Ober missed months with a groin pull. Larnach, abdominal surgery. Kirilloff, season ending wrist surgery. Jeffers injury exposed the complete lack of depth at catcher. The Twins acquired Sonny Leon to catch. A man so bad he lost his job to Matt Hedges. Oh yeah, that bs about resting Buxton regularly to keep him healthy. Turns out he was hurt right away and they were resting him regularly to save on a gimpy knee. Worked so much better than just shutting him down when it happened. A season of favoring the knee aggravated the ligaments in his hip. So, Buck is on the IL while the games matter most.

As inevitable as death and taxes, Smeltzer and Cave returned to the roster and the lineup.

The bullpen imploded. Pagan made everyone pine for Colome. Duffey completely lost his stuff. The Twins tried to remedy this by cycling 97 pitchers between the majors and AAA. This was bound to confuse the other teams hitters right? Rocco made a horrible situation worse by refusing to let starters pitch more than 2 times through the rotation. A terrible bullpen became a terrible & overworked bullpen.

Speaking of Rocco, his game management has been pathetic. It's not just pitching mismanagement. Other coaches have been bad as well. Mayor Watkins has surpassed every previous Twins 3B coach in sending runners to an untimely demise at home plate.

I'm sure I have overlooked plenty. The Twins will no doubt chalk it up to bad luck. The Wonder Twins will probably stand pat with the pitching staff. No doubt they will bank on Maeda coming back like he was in 2020. They will assume Paddack will be just fine after a second TJ. They will stick with Rocco and his bad managing. They will stand behind Sean Johnson and his terrible drafts. The Pohlads will stand behind Falvine and their culture of mediocrity.

Stick a fork in 2022 and rinse and repeat for 2023.


Though true this post was posted about a month early.

Too soon sir

Too soon


Big Brother was on last night so I watched that instead. Guardians of the Galaxy were on also; Twins aren't fun to watch and haven't been for a while.

You missed out. I was at the game last night. I was informed I was missing Dick and Justin reminiscing about Scott Baker's near perfect-game from August 31, 2007. I think about that game often. Sorry I missed the discussion, but happy I was attending an exciting Twins win.


I will watch the quick replay of the game on YouTube if needed; Big Brother was more entertaining as was Galaxy of the Guardians. The product isn't that great right now; sorry to say.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 11:42:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

An amazing stat was pointed out on the TV broadcast. Maybe people here were aware of it but I wasn’t. In order to qualify for the ERA title a pitcher must have 162 innings. This season, for the first time in Twins history they will not have a single qualifying pitcher. Ryan leads the team with 129 and will get, like 3 more starts.

This is unthinkable. A combination of injuries and Rocco’s insistence to turn the ball over to an overworked bullpen after 5 innings.

Pa-the-tic

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 2:31:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

An amazing stat was pointed out on the TV broadcast. Maybe people here were aware of it but I wasn’t. In order to qualify for the ERA title a pitcher must have 162 innings. This season, for the first time in Twins history they will not have a single qualifying pitcher. Ryan leads the team with 129 and will get, like 3 more starts.

This is unthinkable. A combination of injuries and Rocco’s insistence to turn the ball over to an overworked bullpen after 5 innings.

Pa-the-tic


A really big part of why they fell out of first

The system they’re using is not working

36 pitchers used
Including 2 infielders
Dodgers
Yankees
Braves
29

Cleveland
25

White Sox 23

Seattle 28

Houston
21

All 5 Houston starters have more innings than Joe Ryan

The approach and execution of that approach should be resulting in firing people not names Tommy Watkins
Who also needs to be reassigned or let go.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 2:34:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

An amazing stat was pointed out on the TV broadcast. Maybe people here were aware of it but I wasn’t. In order to qualify for the ERA title a pitcher must have 162 innings. This season, for the first time in Twins history they will not have a single qualifying pitcher. Ryan leads the team with 129 and will get, like 3 more starts.

This is unthinkable. A combination of injuries and Rocco’s insistence to turn the ball over to an overworked bullpen after 5 innings.

Pa-the-tic


A really big part of why they fell out of first

The system they’re using is not working

36 pitchers used
Including 2 infielders
Dodgers
Yankees
Braves
29

Cleveland
25

White Sox 23

Seattle 28

Houston
21

All 5 Houston starters have more innings than Joe Ryan

The approach and execution of that approach should be resulting in firing people not names Tommy Watkins
Who also needs to be reassigned or let go.

I'd fire Hank Conger to show that nobody is safe and it would maybe light a fire under this team.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 2:45:10 PM   
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Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 3:05:02 PM   
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Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

That's some dumbass shit right there.

Pitched well, against the Yankees, in Yankee stadium and we can't give him the ball for more than a week afterwards?

What stupid as hell analytic are you shit for brains using to justify this bullshit?

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 3:35:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

That's some dumbass shit right there.

Pitched well, against the Yankees, in Yankee stadium and we can't give him the ball for more than a week afterwards?

What stupid as hell analytic are you shit for brains using to justify this bullshit?

The Twins couldn't keep him up because he was the extra guy on a double-header day. Then when they sent him back down, he wasn't eligible to be called back up for 10 days. So they aren't risking injury in the minors. He'll be back with the Twins to help us the rest of the way.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 3:44:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

That's some dumbass shit right there.

Pitched well, against the Yankees, in Yankee stadium and we can't give him the ball for more than a week afterwards?

What stupid as hell analytic are you shit for brains using to justify this bullshit?

The Twins couldn't keep him up because he was the extra guy on a double-header day. Then when they sent him back down, he wasn't eligible to be called back up for 10 days. So they aren't risking injury in the minors. He'll be back with the Twins to help us the rest of the way.


So you advocate sending down your 3rd best pitcher when he obviously was needed? The day he was sent down is the day I quit watching live games.

It was made worse when Archer and Bundy pitched the next two days...

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 3:57:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

That's some dumbass shit right there.

Pitched well, against the Yankees, in Yankee stadium and we can't give him the ball for more than a week afterwards?

What stupid as hell analytic are you shit for brains using to justify this bullshit?

The Twins couldn't keep him up because he was the extra guy on a double-header day. Then when they sent him back down, he wasn't eligible to be called back up for 10 days. So they aren't risking injury in the minors. He'll be back with the Twins to help us the rest of the way.


So you advocate sending down your 3rd best pitcher when he obviously was needed? The day he was sent down is the day I quit watching live games.

It was made worse when Archer and Bundy pitched the next two days...

He HAD to be sent down. Damn, you don't even know the rules.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 4:34:18 PM   
Phil Riewer


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quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

That's some dumbass shit right there.

Pitched well, against the Yankees, in Yankee stadium and we can't give him the ball for more than a week afterwards?

What stupid as hell analytic are you shit for brains using to justify this bullshit?

The Twins couldn't keep him up because he was the extra guy on a double-header day. Then when they sent him back down, he wasn't eligible to be called back up for 10 days. So they aren't risking injury in the minors. He'll be back with the Twins to help us the rest of the way.


So you advocate sending down your 3rd best pitcher when he obviously was needed? The day he was sent down is the day I quit watching live games.

It was made worse when Archer and Bundy pitched the next two days...

He HAD to be sent down. Damn, you don't even know the rules.


Why did he have to be sent down, you call him up and send someone down. They thought he was going to fail so the used him as the double header call up. The Twins Way.....time to change.

I see them yo yoing with one of their better relievers, Moran too.
How much is Twins marketing paying you?

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 9/15/2022 4:40:06 PM >


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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 4:46:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Varland pitched 8 days ago in Yankee stadium

And has not pitched in any game anywhere since

SMH

That's some dumbass shit right there.

Pitched well, against the Yankees, in Yankee stadium and we can't give him the ball for more than a week afterwards?

What stupid as hell analytic are you shit for brains using to justify this bullshit?

The Twins couldn't keep him up because he was the extra guy on a double-header day. Then when they sent him back down, he wasn't eligible to be called back up for 10 days. So they aren't risking injury in the minors. He'll be back with the Twins to help us the rest of the way.


So you advocate sending down your 3rd best pitcher when he obviously was needed? The day he was sent down is the day I quit watching live games.

It was made worse when Archer and Bundy pitched the next two days...

He HAD to be sent down. Damn, you don't even know the rules.


SOMEONE had to be sent down. Didn’t have to be him.

And risk injury?? Young pitchers need to pitch, no matter the level. If that’s truly the reason he’s been on the shelf for 10 days, that’s awful.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 4:56:23 PM   
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Anatomy of another disappointment.


Off Season: Falvine started off looking like they were making the right moves. Before the lockout, they nailed Buxton down to multi-year deal that protected them from Buck's extensive injury history. They traded a shiny coin for Sonny Gray. Heading into spring training they shocked everybody and signed Correa. They made a series of moves in trading Fred Garvin for Kiner Filefa and 24 hour later packaging KF and Donaldson for Urshala and Sanchez.

The problem is that they needed another front line starter to go with Gray. Instead, they decided to sign Homer Bai...I mean JA Happ and Matt Shoe...I mean Al Bundy and Chris Archer. This assured that they would have to rely on unproven Joe Ryan and injury prone Bailey Ober to fill the 2-3 slots. Then they made a deal to add hard throwing high era Chris Paddack, despite knowing his elbow was hanging on by a thread. The also brought in Pagan to further weaken an already bad bullpen. But, what the hell, they still had Smeltzer and Uber waiting in the wings.

We were all heartened when the Twins started the season with Jake Cave off the 40 man roster. Youth was being served. Kirilloff and Larnach were playing and contributing. Correa was flashing great play and even greater leadership. Buck was healthy. Jeffers and Sanchez looked like a viable catching rotation. Ryan and Ober started out well. Paddack wasn't half bad and even Ted Bundy was contributing. The Twins were winning and then...

Injuries, injuries and more injuries. First was Sano and we all thought...great, this opens up more time for young players. Then the last strand of Paddack's UCL snapped. Winder came up, looked good, shut down for second straight year with a shoulder impingement. Ober missed months with a groin pull. Larnach, abdominal surgery. Kirilloff, season ending wrist surgery. Jeffers injury exposed the complete lack of depth at catcher. The Twins acquired Sonny Leon to catch. A man so bad he lost his job to Matt Hedges. Oh yeah, that bs about resting Buxton regularly to keep him healthy. Turns out he was hurt right away and they were resting him regularly to save on a gimpy knee. Worked so much better than just shutting him down when it happened. A season of favoring the knee aggravated the ligaments in his hip. So, Buck is on the IL while the games matter most.

As inevitable as death and taxes, Smeltzer and Cave returned to the roster and the lineup.

The bullpen imploded. Pagan made everyone pine for Colome. Duffey completely lost his stuff. The Twins tried to remedy this by cycling 97 pitchers between the majors and AAA. This was bound to confuse the other teams hitters right? Rocco made a horrible situation worse by refusing to let starters pitch more than 2 times through the rotation. A terrible bullpen became a terrible & overworked bullpen.

Speaking of Rocco, his game management has been pathetic. It's not just pitching mismanagement. Other coaches have been bad as well. Mayor Watkins has surpassed every previous Twins 3B coach in sending runners to an untimely demise at home plate.

I'm sure I have overlooked plenty. The Twins will no doubt chalk it up to bad luck. The Wonder Twins will probably stand pat with the pitching staff. No doubt they will bank on Maeda coming back like he was in 2020. They will assume Paddack will be just fine after a second TJ. They will stick with Rocco and his bad managing. They will stand behind Sean Johnson and his terrible drafts. The Pohlads will stand behind Falvine and their culture of mediocrity.

Stick a fork in 2022 and rinse and repeat for 2023.


Though true this post was posted about a month early.

Too soon sir

Too soon


Big Brother was on last night so I watched that instead. Guardians of the Galaxy were on also; Twins aren't fun to watch and haven't been for a while.


Guardians of the Galaxy is a great movie.
But Big Brother?????
On a level with Housewives of whoknowswhere.
Or the Kardashians

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 5:39:21 PM   
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So Varland goes down on that rule

ok

The Twins bring him back and expect him to pitch well on how many days between starts?

Frickin' brilliant.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 5:40:39 PM   
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TBD is the Twins rotation for the key 5 games in Cleveland

Job well done

Can we find 37/38/39 anywhere to pitch

Embarrassing

What they get for the scrapheap approach.

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RE: Twins 2022 Season and Game Day Thread - 9/15/2022 5:43:38 PM   
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Polanco returns tonight.

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