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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/17/2023 12:36:51 PM   
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Minnesota Timberwolves star Karl-Anthony Towns offered an interesting perspective on the Denver Nuggets' 2023 championship run during an episode of The Pat Bev Podcast. Towns argued that the Timberwolves reaching the playoffs in 2022 was "more special" due to their lack of continuity, contrasting it with the Nuggets' successful season.

The Timberwolves were slandered online for their exuberant celebrations following their victory over the Los Angeles Clippers in the play-in tournament.

However, Towns' comments may not contribute positively to the situation. While he appreciates his team's accomplishments, his opinion sort of undermines the magnitude of exactly what and how the Denver Nuggets achieved their first NBA championship. KAT also included that he is "a better player than Jokic will ever be." Needless to say his comments left some of the NBA hierarchy pretty unhappy.


LMAO at the delusion!

That said, I think the Wolves have a lot of talent.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/17/2023 12:38:00 PM   
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Tim Hardaway Sr. says Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic, Bam Adebayo, Brook Lopez and Domantas Sabonis are all better centers than KAT

“You need to win playoff games, Karl-Anthony Towns has 0 series wins. He needs to have a reality check, and in Minnesota, they talk too much! They need to shut up, go out there, and play basketball.”


....

Towns may have his reasons to believe that Timberwolves had a better unit, yet they were mercilessly thrashed and outplayed 1-4 by the Denver Nuggets in the first round.

Perhaps this summarizes how Towns has always ignored the downside of his Minnesota Timberwolves. Having only reached the postseason three times in 8 seasons, he has never made it past the first round, averaging just over 18 PPG in those 16 games.


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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/19/2023 8:00:46 AM   
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Towns should talk less and let his play speak. Actually, he should just stop talking.

Whenever he talks, it is apparent that something in his life is keeping him from living in reality. His mouth has always been his biggest drawback to liking him as a player. I'd have to wonder if he has people telling him he's the savior?
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/22/2023 9:16:36 AM   
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Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/22/2023 1:14:23 PM   
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Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips


I like Sasser. I think he can be a Patty Mills type. A smaller 3&D PG that is more of a secondary ballhandler than a lead.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/22/2023 4:07:41 PM   
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Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips


I like Sasser. I think he can be a Patty Mills type. A smaller 3&D PG that is more of a secondary ballhandler than a lead.


Hope we land him.

Sounds like GS is trading Poole for CPIII.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/22/2023 4:57:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips


I like Sasser. I think he can be a Patty Mills type. A smaller 3&D PG that is more of a secondary ballhandler than a lead.


Hope we land him.

Sounds like GS is trading Poole for CPIII.


Washington is trying to bottom out. Poole helps them reach the salary floor and should guarantee they don't win many games.

They've traded Paul, Beal and Porzingis and the only actual 1st round pick they got back was a Top 20 protected from GS.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/22/2023 11:57:37 PM   
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Leonard Miller is very interesting. Vecenie had him 13th on his big board:

Leonard Miller | 6-9 forward | 19 years old | G League Ignite
The Scout: Miller is a 6-10 forward in shoes and is a terrific, fluid athlete with rare body mechanics that allow him to get defenders off balance as he handles the ball as a driver or in transition. He’s an elite finisher with incredible touch, having made 67 percent of his shots at the rim. In 14 games in February and March, Miller averaged 20 points, 13 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game with one steal and one block. He shot 55.6 percent from the field, 37 percent from 3 and 82 percent from the line. He figured out the G League quickly last season, his first season of high-level basketball. I think he has an upside.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/23/2023 12:11:01 AM   
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He sounds like Vanderbilt with a lot more upside:

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33. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Spurs): SF Leonard Miller, G League Ignite


The Spurs made this pick and flipped it to Minnesota, giving the Timberwolves — for my money — a lottery-level talent and one of the better value acquisitions of the night. Miller has a funky-but-effective game as a big wing who can put the ball on the floor, pass and defend with versatility. He's a high motor forward who will fit nicely as they build around Anthony Edwards. Grade: A
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/23/2023 8:28:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips


I like Sasser. I think he can be a Patty Mills type. A smaller 3&D PG that is more of a secondary ballhandler than a lead.


Hope we land him.

Sounds like GS is trading Poole for CPIII.


Washington is trying to bottom out. Poole helps them reach the salary floor and should guarantee they don't win many games.

They've traded Paul, Beal and Porzingis and the only actual 1st round pick they got back was a Top 20 protected from GS.


Beal's NTC tubed any hope of a good return. I like Tyus Jones but don't know about his contract. Perhaps some of the four pick swaps in every even year through 2030 will end up being the most valuable part if Phoenix blows up in a few years.

Glad Kuzma is gone.

But yeah, they've blown things up yet have nothing tangible draft wise to jump start things.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/23/2023 9:47:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips


I like Sasser. I think he can be a Patty Mills type. A smaller 3&D PG that is more of a secondary ballhandler than a lead.


Hope we land him.

Sounds like GS is trading Poole for CPIII.


Washington is trying to bottom out. Poole helps them reach the salary floor and should guarantee they don't win many games.

They've traded Paul, Beal and Porzingis and the only actual 1st round pick they got back was a Top 20 protected from GS.


Beal's NTC tubed any hope of a good return. I like Tyus Jones but don't know about his contract. Perhaps some of the four pick swaps in every even year through 2030 will end up being the most valuable part if Phoenix blows up in a few years.

Glad Kuzma is gone.

But yeah, they've blown things up yet have nothing tangible draft wise to jump start things.


It is very weird that they didn't get any picks....apparently the cap changes after 23-24 and teams with cap space (hope) to be rewarded.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/23/2023 10:54:21 AM   
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He sounds like Vanderbilt with a lot more upside:

CBS
33. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Spurs): SF Leonard Miller, G League Ignite


The Spurs made this pick and flipped it to Minnesota, giving the Timberwolves — for my money — a lottery-level talent and one of the better value acquisitions of the night. Miller has a funky-but-effective game as a big wing who can put the ball on the floor, pass and defend with versatility. He's a high motor forward who will fit nicely as they build around Anthony Edwards. Grade: A


And it only cost a couple of future second rounders. For an almost first rounder. Good deal.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/23/2023 2:19:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Thoughts on any of these three from a post?

https://www.canishoopus.com/2023/6/21/23769096/2023-nba-draft-3-potential-trade-up-targets-for-minnesota-timberwolves-sasser-strawther-phillips


I like Sasser. I think he can be a Patty Mills type. A smaller 3&D PG that is more of a secondary ballhandler than a lead.


Hope we land him.

Sounds like GS is trading Poole for CPIII.


Washington is trying to bottom out. Poole helps them reach the salary floor and should guarantee they don't win many games.

They've traded Paul, Beal and Porzingis and the only actual 1st round pick they got back was a Top 20 protected from GS.


Beal's NTC tubed any hope of a good return. I like Tyus Jones but don't know about his contract. Perhaps some of the four pick swaps in every even year through 2030 will end up being the most valuable part if Phoenix blows up in a few years.

Glad Kuzma is gone.

But yeah, they've blown things up yet have nothing tangible draft wise to jump start things.


It is very weird that they didn't get any picks....apparently the cap changes after 23-24 and teams with cap space (hope) to be rewarded.


It's not weird when Beal decided it's Phoenix or nothing. The Suns immediately had all the leverage.

They got a bunch of second rounders. With all the trades, seven second rounders, a real heavy protected first, and four first round pick swaps.

They cleared the decks (outside of Poole) so they ahem technically met their objective. Given the circumstances like the NTC and Beal's crazy contract figures, it was going to be difficult. Still, it seems like they got basically nothing. It's akin to a couple of Dalvin Cooks departing for nothing.

And when the Clippers dropped out of the Porzingis/Smart trade at the 11th hour, Wash was under the gun based on whether Porzingis was going to opt-in or out. Apparently, the final trade was done fives minutes before that deadline!

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/24/2023 8:45:49 AM   
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Doubt Wash will be good anytime soon so the pick swaps are window dressing at best.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/24/2023 11:06:13 AM   
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Doubt Wash will be good anytime soon so the pick swaps are window dressing at best.


There is a very good chance Phoenix bottoms out before the last two. Durant will be retired, Beal will be 45 and 37. And they don't have the resources to reload - outside of dumping Booker for draft picks.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/24/2023 1:56:11 PM   
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Doubt Wash will be good anytime soon so the pick swaps are window dressing at best.


They are however on the right side of the new CBA, which could destroy Phoenix:

The NBA's new collective bargaining agreement goes into effect on July 1. Because of the harsh penalties it contains for the league's highest-spending teams, insiders are predicting an offseason loaded with major moves.

"There is a sentiment among league personnel in Chicago this upcoming offseason will be busy with player movement and franchise-altering transactions," Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports reported after the 2023 NBA draft lottery in mid-May.

The new CBA introduces a second salary-cap apron set $17.5 million above the luxury-tax line, and it heavily punishes teams that cross that threshold. Beginning this summer, teams above the second apron will lose access to the taxpayer mid-level exception, and they'll be limited to taking back no more than 110 percent of the salary that they send out in trades (as opposed to 125 percent in the current CBA), according to Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype.

The penalties get even worse after the 2023-24 season. Starting next offseason, teams above the second apron can't take back more money than they send out in trades, can't trade a first-round pick seven years in the future, can't aggregate salaries in trades or receive players on existing contracts if they sign-and-trade away their own free agents.

In other words: Beginning in 2024-25, teams above the second apron will largely be limited to re-signing their own players and handing out veteran-minimum contracts in free agency. They'll also have far more restrictions than they currently do on the trade market.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/24/2023 2:07:07 PM   
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Beal will be averaging over $50 million per year for the next four years, all guaranteed and with his no trade clause still intact.

Durant, over $50 million per for the next three years.

And Booker is a FA after the season. Spotrac estimates his new contract will average.... $58 million per!

Oh, Ayton has $102 million due over the next three years.



It's plausible Phoenix will try to dump salary and start a rebuild in 3-4 years. Not sure what they'll have though:

For Durant: Brooklyn receives forwards Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, multiple first-round picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) and a first-round pick swap in 2028 from Phoenix, as well as second-round picks from Milwaukee, in the exchange.

For Beal: Washington and Phoenix have finalized the Bradley Beal trade, landing the Wizards six second-round draft picks and four first-round pick swaps, sources tell ESPN. Suns are sending seconds in 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030. Pick swaps in 2024, 2026, 2028 (Nets involved), and 2030.


Phoenix does not have control of a single draft pick until 2031.



So 'window dressing' regarding the pick swaps is a speculative conclusion at best. The more I discover, the more I like two or maybe even three of those pick swaps.

Meanwhile Washington has its own challenges but will at least be drafting high for a few years with cap for FAs.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/24/2023 2:09:24 PM   
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I admire the Suns were up against the cap even before getting Beal and threw all their remaining acceptable chips in to go for a title. After all, they've never won a championship. But... wow.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/24/2023 8:04:49 PM   
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The NBA is bizarro world.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/25/2023 7:17:23 AM   
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Beal will be averaging over $50 million per year for the next four years, all guaranteed and with his no trade clause still intact.

Durant, over $50 million per for the next three years.

And Booker is a FA after the season. Spotrac estimates his new contract will average.... $58 million per!

Oh, Ayton has $102 million due over the next three years.



It's plausible Phoenix will try to dump salary and start a rebuild in 3-4 years. Not sure what they'll have though:

For Durant: Brooklyn receives forwards Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, multiple first-round picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) and a first-round pick swap in 2028 from Phoenix, as well as second-round picks from Milwaukee, in the exchange.

For Beal: Washington and Phoenix have finalized the Bradley Beal trade, landing the Wizards six second-round draft picks and four first-round pick swaps, sources tell ESPN. Suns are sending seconds in 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030. Pick swaps in 2024, 2026, 2028 (Nets involved), and 2030.


Phoenix does not have control of a single draft pick until 2031.



So 'window dressing' regarding the pick swaps is a speculative conclusion at best. The more I discover, the more I like two or maybe even three of those pick swaps.

Meanwhile Washington has its own challenges but will at least be drafting high for a few years with cap for FAs.


Are the 4 pick swaps in the next consecutive 4 years or are they staggered?
If staggered I agree some of them on the tail end could be good picks. I was assumimg they were the next consecutive 4 years.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/25/2023 11:41:48 AM   
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Beal will be averaging over $50 million per year for the next four years, all guaranteed and with his no trade clause still intact.

Durant, over $50 million per for the next three years.

And Booker is a FA after the season. Spotrac estimates his new contract will average.... $58 million per!

Oh, Ayton has $102 million due over the next three years.



It's plausible Phoenix will try to dump salary and start a rebuild in 3-4 years. Not sure what they'll have though:

For Durant: Brooklyn receives forwards Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, multiple first-round picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) and a first-round pick swap in 2028 from Phoenix, as well as second-round picks from Milwaukee, in the exchange.

For Beal: Washington and Phoenix have finalized the Bradley Beal trade, landing the Wizards six second-round draft picks and four first-round pick swaps, sources tell ESPN. Suns are sending seconds in 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030. Pick swaps in 2024, 2026, 2028 (Nets involved), and 2030.


Phoenix does not have control of a single draft pick until 2031.



So 'window dressing' regarding the pick swaps is a speculative conclusion at best. The more I discover, the more I like two or maybe even three of those pick swaps.

Meanwhile Washington has its own challenges but will at least be drafting high for a few years with cap for FAs.


Are the 4 pick swaps in the next consecutive 4 years or are they staggered?
If staggered I agree some of them on the tail end could be good picks. I was assumimg they were the next consecutive 4 years.


They're every even year through 2030.

They couldn't be consecutive because they traded away all their odd year picks for Durant.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/25/2023 1:01:51 PM   
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Beal will be averaging over $50 million per year for the next four years, all guaranteed and with his no trade clause still intact.

Durant, over $50 million per for the next three years.

And Booker is a FA after the season. Spotrac estimates his new contract will average.... $58 million per!

Oh, Ayton has $102 million due over the next three years.



It's plausible Phoenix will try to dump salary and start a rebuild in 3-4 years. Not sure what they'll have though:

For Durant: Brooklyn receives forwards Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, multiple first-round picks (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029) and a first-round pick swap in 2028 from Phoenix, as well as second-round picks from Milwaukee, in the exchange.

For Beal: Washington and Phoenix have finalized the Bradley Beal trade, landing the Wizards six second-round draft picks and four first-round pick swaps, sources tell ESPN. Suns are sending seconds in 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2030. Pick swaps in 2024, 2026, 2028 (Nets involved), and 2030.


Phoenix does not have control of a single draft pick until 2031.



So 'window dressing' regarding the pick swaps is a speculative conclusion at best. The more I discover, the more I like two or maybe even three of those pick swaps.

Meanwhile Washington has its own challenges but will at least be drafting high for a few years with cap for FAs.


Are the 4 pick swaps in the next consecutive 4 years or are they staggered?
If staggered I agree some of them on the tail end could be good picks. I was assumimg they were the next consecutive 4 years.


They're every even year through 2030.

They couldn't be consecutive because they traded away all their odd year picks for Durant.

Thanks. Makes sense what you guys are saying now. Long time to wait for those swaps though. I assume none have any protection?

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/25/2023 4:59:33 PM   
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Congrats to Naz Reid. He's sticking around. 3 year $42M deal.

Fans are going to go crazy on this one because he's become a favorite. I'm not going to go that far. He's a great success story from undrafted to where he is now. I'm glad he's staying but his status wasn't going to make or break anything. He's still going to be the same nice player with the same limitations.
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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/25/2023 5:06:41 PM   
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Congrats to Naz Reid. He's sticking around. 3 year $42M deal.

Fans are going to go crazy on this one because he's become a favorite. I'm not going to go that far. He's a great success story from undrafted to where he is now. I'm glad he's staying but his status wasn't going to make or break anything. He's still going to be the same nice player with the same limitations.

Great bench option. Probably signals KAT or Prince move.

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RE: Timberwolves 2022 - 2023 Season - 6/25/2023 5:09:15 PM   
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It's a good signing if you don't think of him as a center.

Where he excelled last year was more of a 6th man role. While its traditional a guard, Naz came in and was super aggressive on offense - both driving and shooting.

Small sample and all, but promising:

He was playing some of the best basketball of his career in the fourteen games before the injury, and this was when Towns and Gobert were both playing. He averaged 18.1 points in 21.7 minutes per game on 55.8/39.2/71.8 splits. Honestly, we missed his attacking offense against Denver more than we missed McDaniels.
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