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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 3:23:07 PM

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KOC did go in to brain fart mode in the 2nd half. The 50+ FG attempt was dumb with that kicker and he had about 4 series that went:

Maddison for no gain
Maddison for -2
incomplete pass on 3rd and long that had no chance of success

Agree on all counts. I think KOC was the only one in the stadium who thought Joseph could make that kick. They would have been better off going for the 1st. The smart play was to punt and put them on a long field.

And they play calling turned into straight up Zim ball. When the other team can't stop what you're doing, why would you stop what you're doing?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 3:36:08 PM

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But had the Vikings played more aggressively early in the 2nd half, the Saints may have come back sooner, and then gone on to win the game.

You don't ever play scared.

Period.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 3:46:33 PM

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And you don't play careless.

And the Vikings still won.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 3:50:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: marty

And you don't play careless.

And the Vikings still won.

There is a difference between careless and spineless.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 3:50:52 PM

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Ben Goessling@BenGoessling

Jordan Hicks will miss at least the next four games, after his operation to deal with risks of compartment syndrome in his right shin. Vikings’ defense will lean on Ivan Pace, Josh Metellus and Harrison Smith to organize the defense; Anthony Barr could help here, as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 3:56:24 PM

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Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer

Barr met with inside linebackers coach Mike Siravo on Tuesday, typically a player’s off day, as coaches work to get him up to speed on the defense before evaluating his physical ability in practices this week. Barr last played Jan. 22 for Cowboys

Flores: "He can do some of the things that D.J. Wonnum does, some of the things that Hicks does, some of the things that [Josh] Metellus does. But all those things, it took those guys a little bit of time to learn it. We’ll see how this goes.”

Brian Flores on Anthony Barr: "“His role, it’ll be what he makes it over the course of this week. ... He’s played inside backer... outside backer... up at the line of scrimmage. I think you can kind of envision him playing in some spots or some things that we do. ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 4:00:42 PM

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This is nuts.

Vikings edge rusher Danielle Hunter could be the NFL's cleanest player despite his position
In eight seasons, edge rusher Danielle Hunter has never been fined and has been penalized only eight times. That's why a penalty call against Hunter against the Saints stood out.
By Mark Craig Star Tribune NOVEMBER 14, 2023 — 6:42AM

Danielle Hunter has played in 118 NFL games, including playoffs, sacked the quarterback 86½ times and has never once been penalized for roughing the passer or unnecessary roughness.

Think about that.

When that sinks in, think about a stat that's even harder to believe about a game-wrecking edge rusher who's trying to walk a fine line in a flag-happy league that makes no apologies for favoring the offensive side of the ball in general and quarterbacks in particular:

The NFL has never fined Hunter.

For anything. Ever.

"I try to play the right way," Hunter said. "I try not to cost my team anything."

Mission accomplished — and then some for the guy who's tied for the league lead in sacks with 11.

Hunter has been in the NFL since 2015. A neck injury cost him the entire 2020 season. In the eight seasons he has played, he's been penalized eight times for 52 yards.

EIGHT! For FIFTY-TWO!

Former Vikings cornerback Xavier Rhodes had 52 penalties for 561 yards in the five seasons he played with Hunter. Edge rusher Everson Griffen had 40 for 251 yards in the six years he played with Hunter. Guard Oli Udoh had a league-high 16 for 114 yards in 2021 alone.

Other than Hunter's rookie season, when he was penalized twice for 25 yards, he's never been penalized more than once for 5 yards in an entire season. He was penalized once for 5 yards in 2016, 2018, 2019, 2022 and now 2023 after an officiating gaffe in Sunday's 27-19 win over the Saints.

Hunter was penalized once for 2 yards in 2017 and wasn't penalized at all in the seven games he played in 2021.

The Vikings are 6-1-1 in games Hunter has been penalized. And he's never been penalized in the postseason.

Hunter's only 15-yard penalty came in Week 15 of his rookie season when he grabbed Jay Cutler's face mask in a tackle for no gain in a 38-17 win over the Bears. His other penalty that year was a block above the waist while on the punt return team.

Hunter's other six career penalties: Two for being offsides, two for holding and two for illegal use of hands/hands to the face.

And, yes, if you've seen Sunday's game, you would have asked the same thing of Hunter that this observer did afterward:

"How does a guy get flagged for hands to the face while he's getting his helmet ripped off by the other guy?"

"That's crazy, man," said Hunter, shaking his head.

Indeed.

Hunter said he was, "trying to stab" left tackle Andrus Peat. His stab hand didn't rise high enough for a penalty. Meanwhile, Peat literally ripped Hunter's helmet off with no penalty assessed.

"My helmet came off and I looked back and thought, 'Oh, I got the penalty,' " Hunter said. "I was like, 'Wait. That's on me?' "

Hunter looked up at the video board inside U.S. Bank Stadium in disbelief.

"I went to the ref and I was like, 'Bro, do you not see what he's doing? He took my helmet off,' " Hunter said. "He didn't know what to say. But it is what it is."

Hunter returned to the huddle. He switched sides to left end and used his anger to execute flawlessly against right tackle Ryan Ramczyk. Hunter exploded off the line, threw his right arm underneath Ramczyk's hands, hit one of the fastest spin moves humanly possible, dropped Derek Carr and, oh yeah, collected a $1 million incentive for reaching 11 sacks.

"I just keep doing my job, man," Hunter said.

And doing it as cleanly as possible, to boot.

https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-vikings-danielle-hunter-sacks-penalties-mark-craig/600319547/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 4:19:35 PM

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If that was a coaches decision, I like the idea of having a player switch sides after he was called for a penalty.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 4:41:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

This is nuts.

Vikings edge rusher Danielle Hunter could be the NFL's cleanest player despite his position
In eight seasons, edge rusher Danielle Hunter has never been fined and has been penalized only eight times. That's why a penalty call against Hunter against the Saints stood out.
By Mark Craig Star Tribune NOVEMBER 14, 2023 — 6:42AM

Danielle Hunter has played in 118 NFL games, including playoffs, sacked the quarterback 86½ times and has never once been penalized for roughing the passer or unnecessary roughness.

Think about that.

When that sinks in, think about a stat that's even harder to believe about a game-wrecking edge rusher who's trying to walk a fine line in a flag-happy league that makes no apologies for favoring the offensive side of the ball in general and quarterbacks in particular:

The NFL has never fined Hunter.

For anything. Ever.

"I try to play the right way," Hunter said. "I try not to cost my team anything."

Mission accomplished — and then some for the guy who's tied for the league lead in sacks with 11.

Hunter has been in the NFL since 2015. A neck injury cost him the entire 2020 season. In the eight seasons he has played, he's been penalized eight times for 52 yards.

EIGHT! For FIFTY-TWO!

Former Vikings cornerback Xavier Rhodes had 52 penalties for 561 yards in the five seasons he played with Hunter. Edge rusher Everson Griffen had 40 for 251 yards in the six years he played with Hunter. Guard Oli Udoh had a league-high 16 for 114 yards in 2021 alone.

Other than Hunter's rookie season, when he was penalized twice for 25 yards, he's never been penalized more than once for 5 yards in an entire season. He was penalized once for 5 yards in 2016, 2018, 2019, 2022 and now 2023 after an officiating gaffe in Sunday's 27-19 win over the Saints.

Hunter was penalized once for 2 yards in 2017 and wasn't penalized at all in the seven games he played in 2021.

The Vikings are 6-1-1 in games Hunter has been penalized. And he's never been penalized in the postseason.

Hunter's only 15-yard penalty came in Week 15 of his rookie season when he grabbed Jay Cutler's face mask in a tackle for no gain in a 38-17 win over the Bears. His other penalty that year was a block above the waist while on the punt return team.

Hunter's other six career penalties: Two for being offsides, two for holding and two for illegal use of hands/hands to the face.

And, yes, if you've seen Sunday's game, you would have asked the same thing of Hunter that this observer did afterward:

"How does a guy get flagged for hands to the face while he's getting his helmet ripped off by the other guy?"

"That's crazy, man," said Hunter, shaking his head.

Indeed.

Hunter said he was, "trying to stab" left tackle Andrus Peat. His stab hand didn't rise high enough for a penalty. Meanwhile, Peat literally ripped Hunter's helmet off with no penalty assessed.

"My helmet came off and I looked back and thought, 'Oh, I got the penalty,' " Hunter said. "I was like, 'Wait. That's on me?' "

Hunter looked up at the video board inside U.S. Bank Stadium in disbelief.

"I went to the ref and I was like, 'Bro, do you not see what he's doing? He took my helmet off,' " Hunter said. "He didn't know what to say. But it is what it is."

Hunter returned to the huddle. He switched sides to left end and used his anger to execute flawlessly against right tackle Ryan Ramczyk. Hunter exploded off the line, threw his right arm underneath Ramczyk's hands, hit one of the fastest spin moves humanly possible, dropped Derek Carr and, oh yeah, collected a $1 million incentive for reaching 11 sacks.

"I just keep doing my job, man," Hunter said.

And doing it as cleanly as possible, to boot.

https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-vikings-danielle-hunter-sacks-penalties-mark-craig/600319547/

how can you not love that guy....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 5:08:19 PM

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Fradulent 2022 Vikings 8-1 PT diff: +35
SB Contender 2023 Lions 7-2 PT diff: +38

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 5:30:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

Also, the Vikings DID win this game.

Being more aggressive, could also have led to the Saints coming back, and the Vikings losing the game.

I think you should play it more conservative against teams that are about equal (like NO), or lesser. Against what is probably a better team (Philly or KC), I would agree with staying aggressive in the 2nd half, if you have a 3 TD lead by halftime.

But they did come back. And were one play away from tying the game.

You never play "not to lose".

Technically two plays away from tying the game - would have needed a successful two-point conversion.

A few fumbles away from being right there for the #1 seed

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 6:14:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

Also, the Vikings DID win this game.

Being more aggressive, could also have led to the Saints coming back, and the Vikings losing the game.

I think you should play it more conservative against teams that are about equal (like NO), or lesser. Against what is probably a better team (Philly or KC), I would agree with staying aggressive in the 2nd half, if you have a 3 TD lead by halftime.

But they did come back. And were one play away from tying the game.

You never play "not to lose".

Technically two plays away from tying the game - would have needed a successful two-point conversion.

A few fumbles away from being right there for the #1 seed

23 plays from winning 4 Super Bowls.

(To continue the reverse chronological theme)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 6:17:49 PM

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To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 6:51:13 PM

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To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 6:53:41 PM

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@FriesFootball
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Here are Ty Chandler's five successful runs against the Saints, with the TD that was taken away by penalty as a bonus!
https://x.com/FriesFootball/status/1724570926849630535?s=20

- on the td run its hard to see what 75 is doing but if he's dragging the guy down, prob a good call

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 8:21:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

Imagine if we'd just spiked the ball.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 8:43:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

Imagine if we'd just spiked the ball.

Right! Makes you wonder what O'Connell was saying to our guy during the extended conv, doesn't it?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/14/2023 9:31:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

Imagine if we'd just spiked the ball.

Right! Makes you wonder what O'Connell was saying to our guy during the extended conv, doesn't it?

The coach that calls in the play to the current qb then also explains the play and they still get the plays off on time regularly couldn’t fit a play call into the former qb? That doesn’t seem to add up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 2:57:38 AM

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A fun fact:

The Timberwolves haven't lost a game since J Dobbs became a Viking!

Ricky, it's STILL true !!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 5:36:53 AM 2 votes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

Imagine if we'd just spiked the ball.

Right! Makes you wonder what O'Connell was saying to our guy during the extended conv, doesn't it?

we needed a leader on the field and didn't have one....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 6:28:58 AM

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It is so nice to be able to outcoach a team on both sides of the ball.....been such a long time.

#1 reason to get into the playoffs.

I know some mention Bill Belichek isn't the same coach w/o his qb; in truth Brady was his OC. He hasn't brought in a great OC. He still has chops on the other side.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 7:29:11 AM

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What a difference a coordinator and a scheme can make. Last year, at this time, if Hicks went on the IR, I would have said good riddance. Turns out it was Hicks being a bad fit for the ultra passive Ed Donatell defense. Enter Flores and Hicks is a completely different player. Now Hicks on the IR is a real loss to the defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 8:13:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

Imagine if we'd just spiked the ball.

Since we're talking hypotheticals...

Cousins was playing great before he was injured but just imagine what our season(record) would be like if Dobbs had been on the team from training camp and our starting QB?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 8:29:23 AM

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dp - you'll have that when the day starts with an argument

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 11/15/2023 8:31:01 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/15/2023 8:29:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

To quote countless wise sages, your record is who you are.

Of course, I dont disagree with you, but hey, just responding to, "Technically two plays away from tying the game ..."

Technically, if we dont have two crucial fumbles, who knows ...

Semantics can spin things positively, too.

Imagine if we'd just spiked the ball.

Right! Makes you wonder what O'Connell was saying to our guy during the extended conv, doesn't it?

The coach that calls in the play to the current qb then also explains the play and they still get the plays off on time regularly couldn’t fit a play call into the former qb? That doesn’t seem to add up.