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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Came across this little nugget that makes you want to vomit knowing they want him back. Thank God we can't afford him.


With the Minnesota Vikings from 2018-22, Kirk Cousins was 10-24 (.294) against winning teams as the starting quarterback.

That's pretty incredible when you think about it. It's not like he was a rookie picked up by a bottom feeder. That would make sense.

He took over a very talented team that was in the NFCCG.

What's worse, he was paid the big bucks to lead the team in those games. He just didn't get the memo.

He's around .250 for his career.

But... going into his 13th year, just think what could be!

I was living in the DC area when the "you like that" first happened. It was covered to death by the local media. I assumed he was a really competitive guy so I was excited when we signed him.

What I've come to learn (IMO, at least) is that he's really not. He's a very smart guy who realizes he's very gifted at throwing a football and it will make him, and his family, generational wealth. The winning part is ancillary. He probably likes to win but won't at all costs like a Mahomes/Allen/Jackson kinda QB.

It was time to move on the last time they resigned him. It's well past that now.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.
We'd be fools not to.
Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.
'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...
If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.
Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?
2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills
Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.
If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...
If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.
Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

Because the Wilfs only care about getting fanboys to dump money into seats and merch and concessions..

It certainly feels like a business venture, on their part.
I wonder if they would own the team differently if we were the Giants ...
be more hands on, frantic to win ... as true fans of the team ...

I agree 100% on 100% of both Dan and Tom's comments.

If that was true why fire Zimmer and Spielman?

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Came across this little nugget that makes you want to vomit knowing they want him back. Thank God we can't afford him.


With the Minnesota Vikings from 2018-22, Kirk Cousins was 10-24 (.294) against winning teams as the starting quarterback.

That's pretty incredible when you think about it. It's not like he was a rookie picked up by a bottom feeder. That would make sense.

He took over a very talented team that was in the NFCCG.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.
We'd be fools not to.
Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.
'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...
If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.
Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?
2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills
Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.
If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...
If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.
Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

Because the Wilfs only care about getting fanboys to dump money into seats and merch and concessions..

It certainly feels like a business venture, on their part.
I wonder if they would own the team differently if we were the Giants ...
be more hands on, frantic to win ... as true fans of the team ...

I agree 100% on 100% of both Dan and Tom's comments.

If that was true why fire Zimmer and Spielman?

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

Would you be satisfied with Lance, #11 Dallas Turner and #42 Rattler?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

Would you be satisfied with Lance, #11 Dallas Turner and #42 Rattler?

I would prefer Fields over Lance but it gives you a young QB either way....Lance is younger then Nix and Penix. Fields is less than a year older.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

Would you be satisfied with Lance, #11 Dallas Turner and #42 Rattler?

I would prefer Fields over Lance but it gives you a young QB either way....Lance is younger then Nix and Penix. Fields is less than a year older.

Agree but I think it would be more prudent to start from scratch and have a 4-5 year rookie window. We have good pieces on O but need so much help on D. It would be different if, per se, we had a SF type roster. We need to be cheap on QB for a few years while get our D more filled out. Especially depth.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Came across this little nugget that makes you want to vomit knowing they want him back. Thank God we can't afford him.


With the Minnesota Vikings from 2018-22, Kirk Cousins was 10-24 (.294) against winning teams as the starting quarterback.

That's pretty incredible when you think about it. It's not like he was a rookie picked up by a bottom feeder. That would make sense.

He took over a very talented team that was in the NFCCG.

What's worse, he was paid the big bucks to lead the team in those games. He just didn't get the memo.

He's around .250 for his career.

But... going into his 13th year, just think what could be!

I was living in the DC area when the "you like that" first happened. It was covered to death by the local media. I assumed he was a really competitive guy so I was excited when we signed him.

What I've come to learn (IMO, at least) is that he's really not. He's a very smart guy who realizes he's very gifted at throwing a football and it will make him, and his family, generational wealth. The winning part is ancillary. He probably likes to win but won't at all costs like a Mahomes/Allen/Jackson kinda QB.

It was time to move on the last time they resigned him. It's well past that now.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

Would you be satisfied with Lance, #11 Dallas Turner and #42 Rattler?

I would prefer Fields over Lance but it gives you a young QB either way....Lance is younger then Nix and Penix. Fields is less than a year older.

Agree but I think it would be more prudent to start from scratch and have a 4-5 year rookie window. We have good pieces on O but need so much help on D. It would be different if, per se, we had a SF type roster. We need to be cheap on QB for a few years while get our D more filled out. Especially depth.

Trey Lance is a non-starter.

- He is a year away from a guaranteed $22.4 million 5th year option.
- If that is not exercised, he's a one-year rental that even Kwesi isn't going to use draft picks on.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

No thanks on Lance or Rattler.

Let's go get our real QBOTF. My vote is McCarthy.

I think Kwesi is gonna feel the need to overcompensate this draft and might try to swing for the fences. Here's hoping he succeeds, because he has been DOGSHIT so far...

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

Would you be satisfied with Lance, #11 Dallas Turner and #42 Rattler?

I would prefer Fields over Lance but it gives you a young QB either way....Lance is younger then Nix and Penix. Fields is less than a year older.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

1 of
@richeisen
's 5 Rumors from the NFL Combine:

Trey Lance might be the Minnesota Vikings next QB

Would you be satisfied with Lance, #11 Dallas Turner and #42 Rattler?

I would prefer Fields over Lance but it gives you a young QB either way....Lance is younger then Nix and Penix. Fields is less than a year older.

Agree but I think it would be more prudent to start from scratch and have a 4-5 year rookie window. We have good pieces on O but need so much help on D. It would be different if, per se, we had a SF type roster. We need to be cheap on QB for a few years while get our D more filled out. Especially depth.

Trey Lance is a non-starter.

- He is a year away from a guaranteed $22.4 million 5th year option.
- If that is not exercised, he's a one-year rental that even Kwesi isn't going to use draft picks on.

Yeap. I wouldn't touch Lance. My post wasn't very clear. What I meant was:

1. Go young draft pick
2. Give Fields a year or 2 to work with KOC
3. Lance

In that order IF they were the only choices. In reality Lance would be about #48 for me.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If there was an Elway or Manning in the draft, consider trading 3+ first rounders. This draft? Nope. Besides, Chi, Wash, and NE are going QB. Chi certainly isn't trading with us.

We're in the running for McCarthy, Penix, or Nix.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If there was an Elway or Manning in the draft, consider trading 3+ first rounders. This draft? Nope. Besides, Chi, Wash, and NE are going QB. Chi certainly isn't trading with us.

We're in the running for McCarthy, Penix, or Nix.

If we stay at 11, there is a solid chance that Penix and Nix are our only options.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

You know a top 10 pick will make more than Fields in 2024. Lance is 7 then 22; Fields is 4 then 25.
If you go top 3 they make 41 million over 4 years with a around a 24 million dollar signing bonus. 11th pick would be about half that $$$.
So if you really are worried about money why trade up to top 3?