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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 8:06:02 AM   
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The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 8:10:27 AM   
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The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

Again, you are not seeing my point. It's not his job to openly campaign to keep a quarterback through the media. I do not care how many others were doing the same thing.

Cousins was a polarizing figure, which is why I would have gotten rid of him after the 2021 season. The organization needs to make it clear to players that they are about winning football games, not giving their opinions in the media.

1) Show up to work
2) Do your job
3) Shut the hell up as it relates to player-personnel issues

A failure to do any of those three things could land you on another team.

Nobody did this better than the Patriots for about 15 years.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 3/15/2024 8:33:00 AM >


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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 8:39:02 AM   
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The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

Again, you are not seeing my point. It's not his job to openly campaign to keep a quarterback through the media. I do not care how many others were doing the same thing.

Cousins was a polarizing figure, which is why I would have gotten rid of him after the 2021 season. The organization needs to make it clear to players that they are about winning football games, not giving their opinions in the media.

1) Show up to work
2) Do your job
3) Shut the hell up as it relates to player-personnel issues

A failure to do any of those three things could land you on another team.

Nobody did this better than the Patriots for about 15 years.


That was so 7 years ago and it barely worked with Tom Brady's that last year. Oh did Bill get another job as a HC? Zimmer get another job as a HC?

Get off my lawn doesn't work and you obviously don't aren't including KOC/Kwesi opinon in your mentality......

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 3/15/2024 8:44:56 AM >


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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 8:49:46 AM   
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The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

Again, you are not seeing my point. It's not his job to openly campaign to keep a quarterback through the media. I do not care how many others were doing the same thing.

Cousins was a polarizing figure, which is why I would have gotten rid of him after the 2021 season. The organization needs to make it clear to players that they are about winning football games, not giving their opinions in the media.

1) Show up to work
2) Do your job
3) Shut the hell up as it relates to player-personnel issues

A failure to do any of those three things could land you on another team.

Nobody did this better than the Patriots for about 15 years.


That was so 7 years ago and it barely worked with Tom Brady's that last year. Oh did Bill get another job as a HC? Zimmer get another job as a HC?

Get off my lawn doesn't work and you obviously don't aren't including KOC/Kwesi opinon in your mentality......

SIX TROPHIES

That is the only thing that matters. Nobody did it better.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 3/15/2024 8:52:10 AM >


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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 8:50:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

Again, you are not seeing my point. It's not his job to openly campaign to keep a quarterback through the media. I do not care how many others were doing the same thing.

Cousins was a polarizing figure, which is why I would have gotten rid of him after the 2021 season. The organization needs to make it clear to players that they are about winning football games, not giving their opinions in the media.

1) Show up to work
2) Do your job
3) Shut the hell up as it relates to player-personnel issues

A failure to do any of those three things could land you on another team.

Nobody did this better than the Patriots for about 15 years.


That was so 7 years ago and it barely worked with Tom Brady's that last year. Oh did Bill get another job as a HC? Zimmer get another job as a HC?

Get off my lawn doesn't work and you obviously don't aren't including KOC/Kwesi opinon in your mentality......

SIX TROPHIES


Past performance does not equal future performance....by the way it was as much Brady as that philosophy.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 8:53:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

Again, you are not seeing my point. It's not his job to openly campaign to keep a quarterback through the media. I do not care how many others were doing the same thing.

Cousins was a polarizing figure, which is why I would have gotten rid of him after the 2021 season. The organization needs to make it clear to players that they are about winning football games, not giving their opinions in the media.

1) Show up to work
2) Do your job
3) Shut the hell up as it relates to player-personnel issues

A failure to do any of those three things could land you on another team.

Nobody did this better than the Patriots for about 15 years.


That was so 7 years ago and it barely worked with Tom Brady's that last year. Oh did Bill get another job as a HC? Zimmer get another job as a HC?

Get off my lawn doesn't work and you obviously don't aren't including KOC/Kwesi opinon in your mentality......

SIX TROPHIES


Past performance does not equal future performance....by the way it was as much Brady as that philosophy.

I will agree, Brady was a part of the equation. He understood his job. Hw showed up to work. He shut up as it relates to player-personnel matters in the media. A perfect employee.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 3/15/2024 8:55:18 AM >


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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 9:23:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

The perfect draft day scenario for me:

Trade Justin Jefferson to the Bears for Justin Fields and their #6 pick. Draft Joe Alt from Notre Dame at #6. Your quarterback room suddenly looks more talented and your offensive line gets a franchise player for a decade. 2nd round you get a Keon Coleman/Troy Franklin type WR.

I know people don't want to give up Jefferson, but Super Bowl champions are not built on the backs of diva wide receivers. Jefferson got his first hamstring injury in 2023. That's the beginning of the end for wide receivers. Once the soft tissue issues arise, they never seem to go away.

In addition, the Vikings need to take a page from the Patriots (in their hay day) in that you don't negotiate through the media. Jefferson needs to shut up and play football. Do what it takes to help the team. Randy Moss tried to negotiate his contract through the media and he was sent packing on the next train out of town by the Patriots. He never got his ring.


JJ has been the opposite of Diggs....I would be open to trading him for picks but he hasn't done anything on social media but support his QB. Pretty good trait in a player actually but he is just like the rest of the players--they work out together for years on the routes and little intricacies and now he has to start over and if we don't draft one it will be QB carousel.

It's not his job to support his QB in the media. That's arrogant and overplaying your hand. Shut the hell up and catch footballs. Football is a business. He created a rift in the organization by saying he wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. I'd trade him like a hot potato.


He wasn't the only one to want to keep him.....again he has been the opposite of Diggs.

Again, you are not seeing my point. It's not his job to openly campaign to keep a quarterback through the media. I do not care how many others were doing the same thing.

Cousins was a polarizing figure, which is why I would have gotten rid of him after the 2021 season. The organization needs to make it clear to players that they are about winning football games, not giving their opinions in the media.

1) Show up to work
2) Do your job
3) Shut the hell up as it relates to player-personnel issues

A failure to do any of those three things could land you on another team.

Nobody did this better than the Patriots for about 15 years.


That was so 7 years ago and it barely worked with Tom Brady's that last year. Oh did Bill get another job as a HC? Zimmer get another job as a HC?

Get off my lawn doesn't work and you obviously don't aren't including KOC/Kwesi opinon in your mentality......

SIX TROPHIES


Past performance does not equal future performance....by the way it was as much Brady as that philosophy.

I will agree, Brady was a part of the equation. He understood his job. Hw showed up to work. He shut up as it relates to player-personnel matters in the media. A perfect employee.

There’s a big difference between campaigning for your QB and publicly supporting them. If you’ve gone to battle with them for a couple years … you’d have to be a self-centered jerk to ‘shut the hell up’ and not voice an opinion when grilled by the media.

That being said, pivoting the franchise face and cap cornerstone position from your QB to a WR, I agree, is not a great way to team build. I’m dead tired of JJ’s commercial blitz … which absolutely meets the standard of a ‘campaign’. The focus on records seems to be a growing fixation, so ….

I’m all for trading JJ depending on what the return is. It sure as hell wouldn’t include drafting the top OT this offseason.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 9:24:02 AM   
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We have 2 first rounders now.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-texans-trade-first-round-pick-2024-nfl-draft

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 9:30:12 AM   
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We have 2 first rounders now.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-texans-trade-first-round-pick-2024-nfl-draft

Interesting.

A change from birdshot to buckshot.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 9:31:28 AM   
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We have 2 first rounders now.

https://www.nfl.com/news/vikings-texans-trade-first-round-pick-2024-nfl-draft

Huh! Wasn't expecting to read that this morning
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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 10:43:57 AM   
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Does anyone believe McShay?


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The Vikings don’t make this move unless they’ve already had serious discussions with a specific team re: what it will take to move up for the QB they desire (presumably not named Caleb or Jayden). So is it NE at 3 (for Maye)? Or a team picking a couple/few spots down (for JJ)?
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TRADE!
The Minnesota Vikings are moving up in the draft. They will trade with the Houstons Texans. Minnesota will get the 23rd and 232nd pick….Houston will get the 42nd, 188th and 2nd in 2025

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 11:13:32 AM   
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Not my choice, but this wouldn't surprise me at all. Certainly fits with the McCown hire.

Pete Prisco@PriscoCBS
Vikings making moves to go up and get a QB. Drake Maye or J.J. McCarthy? Word around the league is they like Maye.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 11:31:29 AM   
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No problem with trading JJ.

But ZERO interest in Fields. I'd rather have more draft picks and they can keep him.

Love Fields. Give me an athlete. That's what wins in 2024.


Dobbs is an athlete. Joe Webb is an athlete. I could go on....

When the rubber meets the road, the QB has the have the QB DNA to make the right read and make the tough throw on a key 3rd down. I need a QB to do that, not an athlete.

Hard pass.

Stroud >>>>>>>>>>> Fields

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 2:44:27 PM   
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I just a saw a Mock draft that had the Bears shocking everyone and taking Marvin Harrison Jr. with pick #1.

Wouldn't that make things interesting 🤔

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 3:10:35 PM   
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I just a saw a Mock draft that had the Bears shocking everyone and taking Marvin Harrison Jr. with pick #1.

Wouldn't that make things interesting 🤔


That was before they traded for Keenan Allen.

With him and Moore, Harrison had better be Moss level talent to pass on a QB

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/15/2024 3:34:59 PM   
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The Minnesota Vikings will "put forth a strong effort" to draft North Carolina quarterback Drake Maye according to Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network.

The Vikings are widely believed to be moving toward a top-five pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. On Friday, Minnesota swapped picks with the Texans and now have the 11th and 23rd overall picks in the 2024 draft. They could conceivably package those selections and move further up the draft board in pursuit of a quarterback who would replace Kirk Cousins, who signed with the Falcons in free agency.

Jeremiah is convinced Maye is their top target. Sam Darnold, for now, could serve as a bridge QB option if Maye is not ready to start early in his rookie season.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 7:39:56 AM   
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No problem with trading JJ.

But ZERO interest in Fields. I'd rather have more draft picks and they can keep him.

Love Fields. Give me an athlete. That's what wins in 2024.


Dobbs is an athlete. Joe Webb is an athlete. I could go on....

When the rubber meets the road, the QB has the have the QB DNA to make the right read and make the tough throw on a key 3rd down. I need a QB to do that, not an athlete.

Hard pass.

Stroud >>>>>>>>>>> Fields

Fields is a much better football player than either of those guys. Not even close.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 8:07:21 AM   
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No problem with trading JJ.

But ZERO interest in Fields. I'd rather have more draft picks and they can keep him.

Love Fields. Give me an athlete. That's what wins in 2024.


Dobbs is an athlete. Joe Webb is an athlete. I could go on....

When the rubber meets the road, the QB has the have the QB DNA to make the right read and make the tough throw on a key 3rd down. I need a QB to do that, not an athlete.

Hard pass.

Stroud >>>>>>>>>>> Fields

Fields is a much better football player than either of those guys. Not even close.

Fields is still in the category of great athlete who happens to play QB as opposed to a QB who happens to be a great athlete. Better than Dobbs and Webb? Sure...not much of a bar to clear.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 9:34:35 AM   
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I heard that Fields thought there was too much to learn, he was feeling overwhelmed.

I don't know if Chicago has a complicated system, or if he just can't handle all the pro stuff.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 9:34:45 AM   
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Let's just guess that 3 of the top 6 QBs will be busts, which 3 would you choose to not be busts ?

I would guess: Williams, Daniels and Nix.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 9:42:05 AM   
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Let's just guess that 3 of the top 6 QBs will be busts, which 3 would you choose to not be busts ?

I would guess: Williams, Daniels and Nix.

Out of those 6 how many will be "franchise" QBs?

edit: or is "not a bust" and franchise QB synonymous?

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 3/16/2024 9:47:01 AM >
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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 10:44:13 AM   
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I think the most likely busts of the top 6 are: Maye, McCarthy, and and Penix.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 11:21:33 AM   
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Why is Fields even being talked about? He's not going to Minnesota this year or next... and likely never.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 11:36:46 AM   
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Most likely to bust. Maye, Maye and Maye.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/16/2024 11:52:01 AM   
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It's one thing to have an athletic QB, it's another to make use of that. I'm not yet convinced KOC could make use of that, he squeezed Dobbs into his system once he had more time with him, in my opinion.

Then again, that could be that the offense was predicated around Cousins and didn't have a lot of plays that take advantage of QB mobility. Seems like a coach should have a playbook that is larger than the capabilities of the current personnel and adjust when those capabilities change.
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