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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Chances are we’ll get a QB that Dan will hate.

Favre, Cousins…

PENIx and his injuries are at the top of my “ nope” list.

Well there it is then. We are virtually guaranteed to take Penix now.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Chances are we’ll get a QB that Dan will hate.

Favre, Cousins…

PENIx and his injuries are at the top of my “ nope” list.

Well there it is then. We are virtually guaranteed to take Penix now.

QBOTF probably not but he may be fine for 4-5 years.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Chances are we’ll get a QB that Dan will hate.

Favre, Cousins…

PENIx and his injuries are at the top of my “ nope” list.

Well there it is then. We are virtually guaranteed to take Penix now.

QBOTF probably not but he may be fine for 4-5 years.

He could definitely play 10 years or more. What if he does only play 4-5 years and we win 2 NFL Championships. I'd be good with that.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Chances are we’ll get a QB that Dan will hate.

Favre, Cousins…

PENIx and his injuries are at the top of my “ nope” list.

Well there it is then. We are virtually guaranteed to take Penix now.

QBOTF probably not but he may be fine for 4-5 years.

He could definitely play 10 years or more. What if he does only play 4-5 years and we win 2 NFL Championships. I'd be good with that.

Definitely? 1st round Qbs only hit 20-25%...so definitely wouldn't be what I would use.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

Would you think less of him if he was 30 instead of 28?

Sure its great if your draft pick is younger, but its really not that key. McCarthy and Maye are the youngest, but they're also the 2 that would benefit the most from sitting a year and they both have mechanical issues that the other 4 do not. The age might give them a higher ceiling, but their issues just as easily could give them a lower floor.

We're not talking RBs that age out quickly. Most QBs peak around 27-31. That's still 4 years away for Penix and Nix.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

Would you think less of him if he was 30 instead of 28?

Sure its great if your draft pick is younger, but its really not that key. McCarthy and Maye are the youngest, but they're also the 2 that would benefit the most from sitting a year and they both have mechanical issues that the other 4 do not. The age might give them a higher ceiling, but their issues just as easily could give them a lower floor.

We're not talking RBs that age out quickly. Most QBs peak around 27-31. That's still 4 years away for Penix and Nix.

Great post DL.

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Any body here like this idea (?):

If the top 4 QBs (Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy) went with the 1st 4 picks, what if the Vikings tried to get both Nix and Penix with their picks (#11 and #23) ?

They would pick the one they thought wouldn't last until #23, and then either take the other one at #23, or take best defensive player there.

Sort out who is the starter in camp and pre-season, and if the other one also looks great in pre-season, you might be able to later trade him for a 1st rounder next year.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

Would you think less of him if he was 30 instead of 28?

Sure its great if your draft pick is younger, but its really not that key. McCarthy and Maye are the youngest, but they're also the 2 that would benefit the most from sitting a year and they both have mechanical issues that the other 4 do not. The age might give them a higher ceiling, but their issues just as easily could give them a lower floor.

We're not talking RBs that age out quickly. Most QBs peak around 27-31. That's still 4 years away for Penix and Nix.

Great post DL.

You would think that but that is why I have a check next to Maye or McCarthy first.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

Would you think less of him if he was 30 instead of 28?

Sure its great if your draft pick is younger, but its really not that key. McCarthy and Maye are the youngest, but they're also the 2 that would benefit the most from sitting a year and they both have mechanical issues that the other 4 do not. The age might give them a higher ceiling, but their issues just as easily could give them a lower floor.

We're not talking RBs that age out quickly. Most QBs peak around 27-31. That's still 4 years away for Penix and Nix.

Great post DL.

You would think that but that is why I have a check next to Maye or McCarthy first.

I don't even know what that means...

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ORIGINAL: marty

Any body here like this idea (?):

If the top 4 QBs (Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy) went with the 1st 4 picks, what if the Vikings tried to get both Nix and Penix with their picks (#11 and #23) ?

They would pick the one they thought wouldn't last until #23, and then either take the other one at #23, or take best defensive player there.

Sort out who is the starter in camp and pre-season, and if the other one also looks great in pre-season, you might be able to later trade him for a 1st rounder next year.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Here is the deal KG....they have cap this year and next for FA and you have to take that into account.

So many possibilities for trades and FA that don't involve the draft but Penix and Nix aren't as young as McCarthy/Maye who are the youngest of the top 6 and true QBOTF (21 years old). Boobie prize for QBOTF is Daniels who is a little older. Then Nix/Penix....I don't see a chance at Caleb of course.

Big key to Mahomes was that he was 21 when drafted.

Would you think less of him if he was 30 instead of 28?

Sure its great if your draft pick is younger, but its really not that key. McCarthy and Maye are the youngest, but they're also the 2 that would benefit the most from sitting a year and they both have mechanical issues that the other 4 do not. The age might give them a higher ceiling, but their issues just as easily could give them a lower floor.

We're not talking RBs that age out quickly. Most QBs peak around 27-31. That's still 4 years away for Penix and Nix.

Great post DL.

You would think that but that is why I have a check next to Maye or McCarthy first.

I don't even know what that means...

KG has a preference of no Maye or McCarthy----that is what he wants. Not my opinion which I stated earlier....Freshman and Senior with the same ability; play the Freshman or this instance draft the Freshman (if trade up is reasonable of course).

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So instead of focusing on 1 young QB, you want to split everything between two?

That seems like a great way to make sure neither succeeds.

So you think it hurt Brock Purdy to have Trey Lance around?

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So instead of focusing on 1 young QB, you want to split everything between two?

That seems like a great way to make sure neither succeeds.

So you think it hurt Brock Purdy to have Trey Lance around?

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I think it would deplete our picks too much to try and get back into the 2nd.

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Here's why I don't belive the idea that Maye or McCarthy will be there for the Vikings. Even if one of them starts to slide, the Vikings have to hope that the Giants pass on a QB at 6 and that neither the Broncos or Raiders trade ahead of the Vikings and poach him.

Agreed. If either makes it to 9, the Bears will trade down to 12 or 13.

Bears can move back 3 or 4 spots, still get a great prospect, add extra picks and screw a division rival.

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I’m losing my appetite for trading up. If all 6 are gone by 11 so be it. Half probably won’t be franchise guys anyway. Also, I’ve warmed up to Nix.

Yeah I am hovering around ‘whatever’ at this point. Outside of Williams / Daniels who are unattainable, I’m a little less impressed with the other prospects as we go along and I’m worn out by the silly draft industry.

I get the feeling at this point if any of these guys turn into franchise QBs it will be a stroke of luck more than skilled drafting … there’s not that much separating them.

I love Daniels game but also would have sever anxiety if we somehow get him. Dude makes incredible plays but gets absolutely blown up regularly. His highlights are Mike Tyson blows to the chin. His lowlights are that chin.

His frame and playing style scream RGIII. One MVP-ish season followed by a regular gig on NFL Live at the age of 26

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: marty

Any body here like this idea (?):

If the top 4 QBs (Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy) went with the 1st 4 picks, what if the Vikings tried to get both Nix and Penix with their picks (#11 and #23) ?

They would pick the one they thought wouldn't last until #23, and then either take the other one at #23, or take best defensive player there.

Sort out who is the starter in camp and pre-season, and if the other one also looks great in pre-season, you might be able to later trade him for a 1st rounder next year.

So instead of focusing on 1 young QB, you want to split everything between two?

That seems like a great way to make sure neither succeeds.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think it would deplete our picks too much to try and get back into the 2nd.