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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/6/2024 3:36:40 PM   
David Levine


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- Physical freak with prototypical size
- Cannon of an arm
- Great release
- Leads receivers downfield with great velocity
- Good feeling for pressure
- Ability to throw on the run or keep the ball himself

THE BAD
- Turns 24 before the season, still relatively inexperienced
- Played in a quick, one-read offense
- Waits for receivers to get open, occasionally stares them down
- Lack of reading defenses after the snap
- Often decides on his target pre-snap
- Tendency to overthrow his receivers downfield
- Accuracy underneath is an issue

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/02/2024-nfl-draft-scouting-report-tennessee-qb-joe-milton-iii/
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/6/2024 3:40:40 PM   
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Milton grades out as a late-round or potential PFA prospect in the 2024 NFL Draft. He has one of the biggest arms in the class, and that alone will generate interest for him. But in Milton’s profile, there’s also plenty of uncertainty regarding how he’ll translate in the NFL.

Physical tools serve as the main selling point for Milton. At around 6’5″, 235 pounds, he’s an exceptional linear athlete with great burst and speed in open space, and he’s also a rocket-armed signal-caller who can drive elite velocity to all ranges with effortless ease.

Milton’s physical gifts also trickle into other parts of the passing game. His arm strength lends him impressive deep passing ability, and his velocity allows him to drive the ball where only his WR can reach. He’s also tough and poised in the pocket.

All this being said, Milton’s near-complete lack of autonomous processing and anticipation as a field general causes concern for his NFL transition. At Tennessee, Milton was almost entirely reliant on one-read throws, with very few pure drop-backs and progressions baked in.

Even on one-read throws, Milton experienced startling delays between recognition and trigger at times, and his inability to adapt off of schemed targets also created turnover opportunities for opposing defenses.

As a late-round developmental QB option, Milton’s physical talent does produce intrigue — but as a 24-year-old rookie, he’s shown very little as a processor and independent decision-maker. In the NFL, QBs need to be adaptable, and Milton’s tape at Tennessee was the antithesis of that.

Ultimately, with his size and athleticism, a move to tight end could be feasible in the future. But it’s hard to imagine Milton won’t at least get a look as a developmental QB3 first, with the arm strength he possesses.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/joe-milton-draft-scouting-2024/
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/7/2024 3:51:08 PM   
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Hypothetical:

Should the Bears or Cardinals have an interest in Justin Jefferson, do you deal him for one of their top picks?


For the first pick? Yes. It's a risk obviously but a great QB is worth more than a great wide receiver. Big downside is trading him to the Bears. That could really bite us in the ass for years to come!
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/7/2024 3:52:56 PM   
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Hypothetical:

Should the Bears or Cardinals have an interest in Justin Jefferson, do you deal him for one of their top picks?



You don't trade JJ. but if you do, you don't give him to a division rival.

Why? That's an old philosophy, but nobody has ever been able to tell me why it has any merit.

If you believe in the philosophy that diva wide receivers don't win titles, what would it matter who you dealt him to?


Plus, if the traded their No. 1 pick it most likely means that they keep Fields. If JJ doesn't like how that turns out, it's unlikely he signs a new contract with the Bears.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/7/2024 4:28:54 PM   
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/7/2024 4:46:51 PM   
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Keep JJ. Draft JJ@11. JQuads.


I almost would rather have Rattler too at 11 than Nix. JJ, Penix, or Rattler at 11.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/7/2024 5:05:56 PM   
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Keep JJ. Draft JJ@11. JQuads.


I almost would rather have Rattler too at 11 than Nix. JJ, Penix, or Rattler at 11.


That would be a pretty massive jump from Day 3.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/7/2024 7:23:23 PM   
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Keep JJ. Draft JJ@11. JQuads.


I almost would rather have Rattler too at 11 than Nix. JJ, Penix, or Rattler at 11.


That would be a pretty massive jump from Day 3.

Rattler looks like a young Russ Wilson to me.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/16/2024 12:05:53 PM   
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27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/21/2024 12:12:03 PM   
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I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/21/2024 12:18:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.


Sigh..

I’m sure KGD and queasy would be the ideal draft board/draft day combo to bring this franchise out of mediocrity….


Trade back…
.. “ yea there is this really talented player.. but if we trade back we can let him go to someone else, but we get an additional third round pick of some other POS player”…

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/21/2024 2:36:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.


We have about 3-4 weeks and all this will change with FA and new league starting. So many different scenarios it seems compared to other years.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/21/2024 3:15:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.



We probably used DTs less because ours sucked so bad that Flores had to mad genius a defense around that black hole.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/22/2024 12:33:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.

We're not going to pick a DT at 11, but we need one or maybe 2 and Newton would be a ridiculously good value at 27.
I'm not going to pass on much better players to draft a C. Putnam at 178 was about as good as any C available at 108. If Bell and Bailey are contributors and we get them at picks 108 and 129 they were steals. Hockenson might not be available for a long time. Chandler and Mattison do not impress.

< Message edited by kgdabom -- 2/22/2024 12:42:53 PM >

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/22/2024 12:34:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.



We probably used DTs less because ours sucked so bad that Flores had to mad genius a defense around that black hole.



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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/22/2024 12:40:31 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLY3Jx-l15k

Joel Klatt Also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLDhj53sIE0

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/22/2024 12:44:36 PM   
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/22/2024 12:47:01 PM   
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I've seen other sites that rank him #6.

Yep. My point is that McCarthy is nothing special and no way I would draft him at 11.

Add Joel Klatt to those who prefer Penix to McCarthy.

Those are nice endorsements for Penix.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/23/2024 1:27:19 PM   
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/23/2024 3:03:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just completed a draft utilizing the PFN draft simulator. I made several trade backs. My first pick was at 27. This is what I ended up with.

27: Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois (many see him as a top 10 pick)
41: Michael Penix QB Washington
42: Chop Robinson Edge Missouri
104 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan
108 Jaheim Bell TE Florida State
129 Emani Bailey RB TCU
155 Luke McCaffrey WR Rice
165 Kenny Logan Jr S Kansas
178 Will Putnam C Clemson

I also got 2025 2nd round pick from Indy and 2025 3rd round pick from GB

I just read that we used DTs less than anyone else in the league. As part of Flores' wacky adjustments.

It was just an opinion piece but I would be severely disappointed if the best player on the board was a DT and/or we decided to go that way.

I would be thrilled with Chop and Sainristil.

TE, RB before C ... much less.



We probably used DTs less because ours sucked so bad that Flores had to mad genius a defense around that black hole.

Phillips was okay but not worse than the DEs Lowry and Bullard?

None are world beaters for sure. Please ... upgrade all three.

Not sure how but start with the vacuum if you can, and then strengthen the weak links.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/23/2024 3:14:21 PM >
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/23/2024 3:13:37 PM  1 votes
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I've seen other sites that rank him #6.

Yep. My point is that McCarthy is nothing special and no way I would draft him at 11.

Add Joel Klatt to those who prefer Penix to McCarthy.

Those are nice endorsements for Penix.

Here we go.

You are starting your annual draft 'research' (picking and choosing draftniks which support your favorites) ...

and blacklisting any other player not your favorite.

God help us.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/23/2024 5:36:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

I've seen other sites that rank him #6.

Yep. My point is that McCarthy is nothing special and no way I would draft him at 11.

Add Joel Klatt to those who prefer Penix to McCarthy.

Those are nice endorsements for Penix.

Here we go.

You are starting your annual draft 'research' (picking and choosing draftniks which support your favorites) ...

and blacklisting any other player not your favorite.

God help us.

You're wrong. I have no favorites and nobody blacklisted. I just shared how 2 very respected analysts liked Penix more than McCarthy. I wouldn't be excited for Penix in the 2nd. I didn't scour the internet looking for people who didn't like McCarthy. I just stumbled upon those 2 without trying. If we can get McCarthy late first early second I would have no complaints.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/23/2024 7:33:04 PM   
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Status: online 		The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/23/2024 7:36:52 PM   
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 8:21:52 AM   
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.

I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.

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