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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
WE have two picks today..
Then nothing? Until the 4th round…
People saying he can fix this team, or defending KAM and his management “ style” are not all that bright.
We are trying to fix a 7-10 team with one valid Starting QB and multiple holes on the DL , garbage at center, and other positions with 9 picks..
7 of which are 4-7 th round players who will be picked fron the dumpster behind Pizza King…in Detroit.
Total dysfunctional management, yet thousands of fans are “ hyped” about the possibility of a breakout season in 2024.
What koolaid are those people drinking?
KAM is so far in over his head, he needs a 20 foot extention ladder to get his head out of the dumpster that is on fire…
This is gonna be worse than his first draft.

No Free Agents?

you think that our current free agents and practice squad and IR player can magically transform a dumpster fire into a tailgating at the Super Bowl parking lot grill?

JFC..

Define stupid. Open your mouth again… on anything.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

OK

1. If a player originally was predicted to be a lower pick but since the Combine is 'moving up the draft'...be wary.

2. If it took the combine to make you like a player... be wary

3. Don't be over excited about pure athletic ability, great athlete does not necessarily mean great football player....see Cordarelle Patterson or Joe Webb.

Drafting for need or BPA...

Two hall of fame players (one that is and one that will be soon) for the Vikings were drafted when we had little or no need for their position, Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson. Trading up should only happen if you have a guy you absolutely Love a guy. Drafting for need tends to make teams reach and draft a guy too high. Stick where you are, pick the best player on your board at that point regardless of need.

Don't mortgage your future for one guy. if he fails, you, and the next GM, since you will be fired will be ****ed for years.

So

I would like the Vikings to stick at 11 and 23, perhaps trade down with 23 to add a pick or two, And pick the best player available.

we NEED a QB. No doubt, but he last time we NEEDED one and drafted we ended up with Christian, we can't bring anyone in to compete with him because he can't handle it, Ponder.

If you must draft a QB, look for these traits before running speed and arm strength. How does he move in the pocket? How does he handle pressure? How does he read a defense? How does he lead his team? Can he throw an accurate pass? Does he check down too quickly? Does he understand game situations and not check down short of the sticks on 4th and 8 for example? How quick can he learn a new playbook? Does his game elevate the greater the pressure of the situation? If a play breaks down, does he use his athleticism to run or just to keep a play alive until someone gets open downfield? After those things and a few more I'm sure I missed, then you think about arm strengh and running ability.

I don't pay enough attention to college football to know the answers for any of the QBs in this draft so I can't form a cogent opinion on any of them... So I can't tell you who fits these standards of mine. I just hope we get someone who just knows how to win.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
WE have two picks today..
Then nothing? Until the 4th round…
People saying he can fix this team, or defending KAM and his management “ style” are not all that bright.
We are trying to fix a 7-10 team with one valid Starting QB and multiple holes on the DL , garbage at center, and other positions with 9 picks..
7 of which are 4-7 th round players who will be picked fron the dumpster behind Pizza King…in Detroit.
Total dysfunctional management, yet thousands of fans are “ hyped” about the possibility of a breakout season in 2024.
What koolaid are those people drinking?
KAM is so far in over his head, he needs a 20 foot extention ladder to get his head out of the dumpster that is on fire…
This is gonna be worse than his first draft.

No Free Agents?

you think that our current free agents and practice squad and IR player can magically transform a dumpster fire into a tailgating at the Super Bowl parking lot grill?

JFC..

Define stupid. Open your mouth again… on anything.

Definition of stupid is when you ignore the work done in FA period and pretend a team is only built thru the draft......

You need to check you attitude into a local mental suite dude.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
WE have two picks today..
Then nothing? Until the 4th round…
People saying he can fix this team, or defending KAM and his management “ style” are not all that bright.
We are trying to fix a 7-10 team with one valid Starting QB and multiple holes on the DL , garbage at center, and other positions with 9 picks..
7 of which are 4-7 th round players who will be picked fron the dumpster behind Pizza King…in Detroit.
Total dysfunctional management, yet thousands of fans are “ hyped” about the possibility of a breakout season in 2024.
What koolaid are those people drinking?
KAM is so far in over his head, he needs a 20 foot extention ladder to get his head out of the dumpster that is on fire…
This is gonna be worse than his first draft.

No Free Agents?

you think that our current free agents and practice squad and IR player can magically transform a dumpster fire into a tailgating at the Super Bowl parking lot grill?

JFC..

Define stupid. Open your mouth again… on anything.

Definition of stupid is when you ignore the work done in FA period and pretend a team is only built thru the draft......

You need to check you attitude into a local mental suite dude.

You need to be committed for the things you believe outside of this thread, and the things you say in this thread..

You need ECT.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

OK

1. If a player originally was predicted to be a lower pick but since the Combine is 'moving up the draft'...be wary.

2. If it took the combine to make you like a player... be wary

3. Don't be over excited about pure athletic ability, great athlete does not necessarily mean great football player....see Cordarelle Patterson or Joe Webb.

Drafting for need or BPA...

Two hall of fame players (one that is and one that will be soon) for the Vikings were drafted when we had little or no need for their position, Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson. Trading up should only happen if you have a guy you absolutely Love a guy. Drafting for need tends to make teams reach and draft a guy too high. Stick where you are, pick the best player on your board at that point regardless of need.

Don't mortgage your future for one guy. if he fails, you, and the next GM, since you will be fired will be ****ed for years.

So

I would like the Vikings to stick at 11 and 23, perhaps trade down with 23 to add a pick or two, And pick the best player available.

we NEED a QB. No doubt, but he last time we NEEDED one and drafted we ended up with Christian, we can't bring anyone in to compete with him because he can't handle it, Ponder.

If you must draft a QB, look for these traits before running speed and arm strength. How does he move in the pocket? How does he handle pressure? How does he read a defense? How does he lead his team? Can he throw an accurate pass? Does he check down too quickly? Does he understand game situations and not check down short of the sticks on 4th and 8 for example? How quick can he learn a new playbook? Does his game elevate the greater the pressure of the situation? If a play breaks down, does he use his athleticism to run or just to keep a play alive until someone gets open downfield? After those things and a few more I'm sure I missed, then you think about arm strengh and running ability.

I don't pay enough attention to college football to know the answers for any of the QBs in this draft so I can't form a cogent opinion on any of them... So I can't tell you who fits these standards of mine. I just hope we get someone who just knows how to win.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

OK

1. If a player originally was predicted to be a lower pick but since the Combine is 'moving up the draft'...be wary.

2. If it took the combine to make you like a player... be wary

3. Don't be over excited about pure athletic ability, great athlete does not necessarily mean great football player....see Cordarelle Patterson or Joe Webb.

Drafting for need or BPA...

Two hall of fame players (one that is and one that will be soon) for the Vikings were drafted when we had little or no need for their position, Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson. Trading up should only happen if you have a guy you absolutely Love a guy. Drafting for need tends to make teams reach and draft a guy too high. Stick where you are, pick the best player on your board at that point regardless of need.

Don't mortgage your future for one guy. if he fails, you, and the next GM, since you will be fired will be ****ed for years.

So

I would like the Vikings to stick at 11 and 23, perhaps trade down with 23 to add a pick or two, And pick the best player available.

we NEED a QB. No doubt, but he last time we NEEDED one and drafted we ended up with Christian, we can't bring anyone in to compete with him because he can't handle it, Ponder.

If you must draft a QB, look for these traits before running speed and arm strength. How does he move in the pocket? How does he handle pressure? How does he read a defense? How does he lead his team? Can he throw an accurate pass? Does he check down too quickly? Does he understand game situations and not check down short of the sticks on 4th and 8 for example? How quick can he learn a new playbook? Does his game elevate the greater the pressure of the situation? If a play breaks down, does he use his athleticism to run or just to keep a play alive until someone gets open downfield? After those things and a few more I'm sure I missed, then you think about arm strengh and running ability.

I don't pay enough attention to college football to know the answers for any of the QBs in this draft so I can't form a cogent opinion on any of them... So I can't tell you who fits these standards of mine. I just hope we get someone who just knows how to win.

Great post except for the cheap shot at Cousins. Football player is more important than athlete.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
WE have two picks today..
Then nothing? Until the 4th round…
People saying he can fix this team, or defending KAM and his management “ style” are not all that bright.
We are trying to fix a 7-10 team with one valid Starting QB and multiple holes on the DL , garbage at center, and other positions with 9 picks..
7 of which are 4-7 th round players who will be picked fron the dumpster behind Pizza King…in Detroit.
Total dysfunctional management, yet thousands of fans are “ hyped” about the possibility of a breakout season in 2024.
What koolaid are those people drinking?
KAM is so far in over his head, he needs a 20 foot extention ladder to get his head out of the dumpster that is on fire…
This is gonna be worse than his first draft.

No Free Agents?

you think that our current free agents and practice squad and IR player can magically transform a dumpster fire into a tailgating at the Super Bowl parking lot grill?

JFC..

Define stupid. Open your mouth again… on anything.

Definition of stupid is when you ignore the work done in FA period and pretend a team is only built thru the draft......

You need to check you attitude into a local mental suite dude.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

All I know is this: If the Vikings give up both draft picks and a future to move up to #4 to select McCarthy, it could end up going down as the dumbest move since trading for Herschel Walker.

Especially considering he might be there at 11 if we stick and pick.

The only way he is there is if the Giants pass on him and neither of the QB desperate teams immediately behind us jump up to 9 or 10 to take him. I find that scenario to be highly unlikely.

I'm pretty sure the giants will pass on him at 6 assuming we don't trade up for him. I wouldn't mind a slight trade up from 11 to 8 to lock him up. I do like him a tiny bit more than Nix.

I've advocated a trade up to the Falcons in the past if McCarthy slides past the Giants.

The drop off from McCarthy to Nix is Wile E Coyote falling off a cliff.

Take a look at my edited post that you quoted pre edit. Nix will be better than McCarthy for at least the next two years, but I can see McCarthy catching and passing Nix in year 3. That is why big picture I prefer McCarthy. Payton is more desperate to win now and that is why I believe he prefers Nix.

It's 2024. Quarterbacks rarely get three years to prove themselves. The days of sitting on a bench for a year are long gone.

I expect McCarthy to start midseason this year. He will be OK, but Nix will be better this year and next.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

OK

1. If a player originally was predicted to be a lower pick but since the Combine is 'moving up the draft'...be wary.

2. If it took the combine to make you like a player... be wary

3. Don't be over excited about pure athletic ability, great athlete does not necessarily mean great football player....see Cordarelle Patterson or Joe Webb.

Drafting for need or BPA...

Two hall of fame players (one that is and one that will be soon) for the Vikings were drafted when we had little or no need for their position, Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson. Trading up should only happen if you have a guy you absolutely Love a guy. Drafting for need tends to make teams reach and draft a guy too high. Stick where you are, pick the best player on your board at that point regardless of need.

Don't mortgage your future for one guy. if he fails, you, and the next GM, since you will be fired will be ****ed for years.

So

I would like the Vikings to stick at 11 and 23, perhaps trade down with 23 to add a pick or two, And pick the best player available.

we NEED a QB. No doubt, but he last time we NEEDED one and drafted we ended up with Christian, we can't bring anyone in to compete with him because he can't handle it, Ponder.

If you must draft a QB, look for these traits before running speed and arm strength. How does he move in the pocket? How does he handle pressure? How does he read a defense? How does he lead his team? Can he throw an accurate pass? Does he check down too quickly? Does he understand game situations and not check down short of the sticks on 4th and 8 for example? How quick can he learn a new playbook? Does his game elevate the greater the pressure of the situation? If a play breaks down, does he use his athleticism to run or just to keep a play alive until someone gets open downfield? After those things and a few more I'm sure I missed, then you think about arm strengh and running ability.

I don't pay enough attention to college football to know the answers for any of the QBs in this draft so I can't form a cogent opinion on any of them... So I can't tell you who fits these standards of mine. I just hope we get someone who just knows how to win.

Great post except for the cheap shot at Cousins. Football player is more important than athlete.

Cousins was a decent QB. Good accurate passer, but where he lacked were things that prevented a team from winning more including playoffs.

Check downs, not knowing when to spike the ball.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

All I know is this: If the Vikings give up both draft picks and a future to move up to #4 to select McCarthy, it could end up going down as the dumbest move since trading for Herschel Walker.

Especially considering he might be there at 11 if we stick and pick.

The only way he is there is if the Giants pass on him and neither of the QB desperate teams immediately behind us jump up to 9 or 10 to take him. I find that scenario to be highly unlikely.

I'm pretty sure the giants will pass on him at 6 assuming we don't trade up for him. I wouldn't mind a slight trade up from 11 to 8 to lock him up. I do like him a tiny bit more than Nix.

I've advocated a trade up to the Falcons in the past if McCarthy slides past the Giants.

The drop off from McCarthy to Nix is Wile E Coyote falling off a cliff.

Take a look at my edited post that you quoted pre edit. Nix will be better than McCarthy for at least the next two years, but I can see McCarthy catching and passing Nix in year 3. That is why big picture I prefer McCarthy. Payton is more desperate to win now and that is why I believe he prefers Nix.

It's 2024. Quarterbacks rarely get three years to prove themselves. The days of sitting on a bench for a year are long gone.

I expect McCarthy to start midseason this year. He will be OK, but Nix will be better this year and next.

I think Nix is the epitome of already as good as he will ever be. He will be immediately exposed when he doesn't have the luxury of throwing 65% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage in the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

All I know is this: If the Vikings give up both draft picks and a future to move up to #4 to select McCarthy, it could end up going down as the dumbest move since trading for Herschel Walker.

Especially considering he might be there at 11 if we stick and pick.

The only way he is there is if the Giants pass on him and neither of the QB desperate teams immediately behind us jump up to 9 or 10 to take him. I find that scenario to be highly unlikely.

I'm pretty sure the giants will pass on him at 6 assuming we don't trade up for him. I wouldn't mind a slight trade up from 11 to 8 to lock him up. I do like him a tiny bit more than Nix.

I've advocated a trade up to the Falcons in the past if McCarthy slides past the Giants.

The drop off from McCarthy to Nix is Wile E Coyote falling off a cliff.

Take a look at my edited post that you quoted pre edit. Nix will be better than McCarthy for at least the next two years, but I can see McCarthy catching and passing Nix in year 3. That is why big picture I prefer McCarthy. Payton is more desperate to win now and that is why I believe he prefers Nix.

It's 2024. Quarterbacks rarely get three years to prove themselves. The days of sitting on a bench for a year are long gone.

I expect McCarthy to start midseason this year. He will be OK, but Nix will be better this year and next.

I think Nix is the epitome of already as good as he will ever be. He will be immediately exposed when he doesn't have the luxury of throwing 65% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage in the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

All I know is this: If the Vikings give up both draft picks and a future to move up to #4 to select McCarthy, it could end up going down as the dumbest move since trading for Herschel Walker.

Especially considering he might be there at 11 if we stick and pick.

The only way he is there is if the Giants pass on him and neither of the QB desperate teams immediately behind us jump up to 9 or 10 to take him. I find that scenario to be highly unlikely.

I'm pretty sure the giants will pass on him at 6 assuming we don't trade up for him. I wouldn't mind a slight trade up from 11 to 8 to lock him up. I do like him a tiny bit more than Nix.

I've advocated a trade up to the Falcons in the past if McCarthy slides past the Giants.

The drop off from McCarthy to Nix is Wile E Coyote falling off a cliff.

Take a look at my edited post that you quoted pre edit. Nix will be better than McCarthy for at least the next two years, but I can see McCarthy catching and passing Nix in year 3. That is why big picture I prefer McCarthy. Payton is more desperate to win now and that is why I believe he prefers Nix.

It's 2024. Quarterbacks rarely get three years to prove themselves. The days of sitting on a bench for a year are long gone.

I expect McCarthy to start midseason this year. He will be OK, but Nix will be better this year and next.

I think Nix is the epitome of already as good as he will ever be. He will be immediately exposed when he doesn't have the luxury of throwing 65% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage in the NFL.

That's what I'm seeing more than anything. He is what he is. Limited arm, limited processing, Accuracy falls off significantly down the field. Ceiling may be mid-tier starter. But his Floor may be high end #2. Probably low bust potential.

He's probably the guy that will tumble in the draft.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Yeah, let’s trade down from 23 for a pick or 2 right after we traded two 2’s to get it. Brilliant.

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I keep hearing rumblings of a blockbuster trade scenario tonight involving JJ. I'm not opposed to it either. It could net a top 5 pick and possibly a 2nd at best and 3rd at worst. I am not a huge fan of paying franchise QB money for a WR, no matter who it is. Three 1st rounders would be incredible. Talk about room to maneuver between picking up a QBOTF/stud defensive players/trade down for next year's draft picks. Hitting on QBOTF is the most important thing. The Chiefs showed that you can lose a stud WR (Tyreek Hill) and be okay if you have an elite QB.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

Re: trading Jefferson

The dream for me would be getting our QB in top 3 plus another pick (next years 2nd would work for me) for Jefferson, while keeping 11 and 23...

Love the idea of coming away from round 1 with Daniels or Maye, Byron Murphy, and Brian Thomas

Love the idea of not paying $30 million to a diva WR, no matter how dangerous

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

OK

1. If a player originally was predicted to be a lower pick but since the Combine is 'moving up the draft'...be wary.

2. If it took the combine to make you like a player... be wary

3. Don't be over excited about pure athletic ability, great athlete does not necessarily mean great football player....see Cordarelle Patterson or Joe Webb.

Drafting for need or BPA...

Two hall of fame players (one that is and one that will be soon) for the Vikings were drafted when we had little or no need for their position, Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson. Trading up should only happen if you have a guy you absolutely Love a guy. Drafting for need tends to make teams reach and draft a guy too high. Stick where you are, pick the best player on your board at that point regardless of need.

Don't mortgage your future for one guy. if he fails, you, and the next GM, since you will be fired will be ****ed for years.

So

I would like the Vikings to stick at 11 and 23, perhaps trade down with 23 to add a pick or two, And pick the best player available.

we NEED a QB. No doubt, but he last time we NEEDED one and drafted we ended up with Christian, we can't bring anyone in to compete with him because he can't handle it, Ponder.

If you must draft a QB, look for these traits before running speed and arm strength. How does he move in the pocket? How does he handle pressure? How does he read a defense? How does he lead his team? Can he throw an accurate pass? Does he check down too quickly? Does he understand game situations and not check down short of the sticks on 4th and 8 for example? How quick can he learn a new playbook? Does his game elevate the greater the pressure of the situation? If a play breaks down, does he use his athleticism to run or just to keep a play alive until someone gets open downfield? After those things and a few more I'm sure I missed, then you think about arm strengh and running ability.

I don't pay enough attention to college football to know the answers for any of the QBs in this draft so I can't form a cogent opinion on any of them... So I can't tell you who fits these standards of mine. I just hope we get someone who just knows how to win.

Great post except for the cheap shot at Cousins. Football player is more important than athlete.

Cousins was a decent QB. Good accurate passer, but where he lacked were things that prevented a team from winning more including playoffs.

Check downs, not knowing when to spike the ball.

Everybody makes a mistake once in a while. Everybody. We had him here for 6 years. If you want to hang your hat on 2 plays be my guest. Also many times passes thrown short of the sticks get converted into first downs. Players can do a thing called yards after catch.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

The draft will be a success this year if...

I'm feeling success looks like not trading away this and future drafts, and taking what comes to us tonight

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

ESPN. Yates final Mock:

Projected trade: Minnesota can't wait any longer
Vikings get: No. 8
Falcons get: No. 11, No. 129 and a 2025 third-rounder

This is a smaller move up the board than we've discussed frequently during the pre-draft process -- Minnesota jumping into the Nos. 3-5 range -- but the Vikings can slide up just three spots at a much less prohibitive cost to snag a quarterback here based on the way the board is coming together.

8. Minnesota Vikings (via mock trade with ATL)
J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan

McCarthy would be in an excellent situation with Minnesota's supporting cast, and the Vikings would also preserve their No. 23 pick by moving to only No. 8 to get him. McCarthy has the high-end accuracy to get the ball to Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, as well as the mobility to pick up yards on the ground. And I know Minnesota has Sam Darnold, but I believe McCarthy would start right away.

23. Minnesota Vikings (via CLE/HOU)
Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA

Latu would join Jonathan Greenard for Minnesota's new-look pass rush on defense. He had the best tape of any defensive player in the class and can become a double-digit sack artist in the NFL. After all, he had 23.5 of them over the past two seasons at UCLA. Medical concerns over a prior neck injury (while at Washington in 2020) would be the only reason he slides to this slot.

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He has Byron Murphy going 11, Penix 13 and Nix 19 to the Rams.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/40006988/2024-nfl-mock-draft-field-yates-first-round-32-picks-final-predictions