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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 8:39:50 AM   
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 8:43:32 AM  1 votes
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.

I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.

This is the issue.

I wouldn’t mind landing either McCarthy or Penix … but now that KG has gotten involved, he makes it impossible not to pull for the guy he is trying so hard to poop on.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 10:08:13 AM   
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 10:39:39 AM   
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 7:24:58 PM   
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.

I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.

The two guys I mentioned are pretty well respected, however I disagree with them. I have McCarthy above Penix. Bucky Brooks, Joel Klatt, CBS, The Athletic and SI know nothing about what actual NFL teams think. I have McCarthy projected to go somewhere between 5-42. Anybody who thinks they can narrow it down more than that are IMO making a wild ass guess. I personally wouldn't take him at 11 when some very good pass rushers are available. I already said I could be wrong. McCarthy could end up being real good. I think he has a chance to be good which is worth a late 1st or early 2nd. If we trade up to 1 and take him I will throw my full support to him.

If the Vikings are going to get him at pick 12 that would involve a trade back.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 7:27:17 PM   
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.

I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.

This is the issue.

I wouldn’t mind landing either McCarthy or Penix … but now that KG has gotten involved, he makes it impossible not to pull for the guy he is trying so hard to poop on.

First of all I don't agree with those Guru's you are talking about. I have McCarthy above Penix. Why do you want to turn a discussion into an argument or fight? Why do you insist on misrepresenting my stance?

I've said nothing bad about McCarthy. Not one tiny little thing. I've been very complimentary of him saying he's probably worth a late first round pick. That is far from pooping on him. About 3 weeks ago McCarthy was universally considered a 2nd round pick. I guess CBS, SI and the Athletic are more complimentary than me now. We haven't even made it to the combine and they've moved McCarthy up their draft boards 40 picks or more. That's why I call the people moving McCarthy up draft boards massive amounts sheep. They got nothing to go on. Klatt and Brooks are less complimentary. I think that makes me pretty middle of the road and uncommitted regarding him.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/24/2024 10:04:12 PM  1 votes
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.

I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.

This is the issue.

I wouldn’t mind landing either McCarthy or Penix … but now that KG has gotten involved, he makes it impossible not to pull for the guy he is trying so hard to poop on.

First of all I don't agree with those Guru's you are talking about. I have McCarthy above Penix. Why do you want to turn a discussion into an argument or fight? Why do you insist on misrepresenting my stance?

I've said nothing bad about McCarthy. Not one tiny little thing. I've been very complimentary of him saying he's probably worth a late first round pick. That is far from pooping on him. About 3 weeks ago McCarthy was universally considered a 2nd round pick. I guess CBS, SI and the Athletic are more complimentary than me now. We haven't even made it to the combine and they've moved McCarthy up their draft boards 40 picks or more. That's why I call the people moving McCarthy up draft boards massive amounts sheep. They got nothing to go on. Klatt and Brooks are less complimentary. I think that makes me pretty middle of the road and uncommitted regarding him.

I've told you before, point blank, I don't think you argue your points honestly.

In this case, start with you arguing that 'you haven't said one tiny' bad thing about McCarthy / you've been 'very complimentary' ... instead of admitting that you said 'he's nothing special' and unworthy of #11.

There's nothing wrong with thinking Penix is far better than McCarthy ... just don't be so obtuse about it.

Next go to your comments about Klatt and Brooks as 'very nice endorsements' for Penix ... when TJ refers to a bunch of mocks favoring McCarthy over Penix – which is true of my experience as well – the vein in your neck pops out and you go on about THOSE draftniks being bleating sheep! Even though no specific names were referred to. They're sheep because they didn't agree with you.

You mocked Penix and gawd durn it that makes it scripture.

It happens every draft cycle.

If you can't see it, it can't be explained to you.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 10:45:14 AM   
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I just wish he would say he doesn’t like any of the top ones. I would take any of the top 7-8. Even Rattler Milton later.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 1:00:19 PM   
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I just wish he would say he doesn’t like any of the top ones. I would take any of the top 7-8. Even Rattler Milton later.

You and I bicker all ... the ... time. We couldn't come at things more differently.

But that is plainly just a difference of opinion between two fans of the same team.

Arguing with KG is a vastly different animal.

He expresses a point of view over and over then puts his hands over his ears and yells,'lalalalalala' when you are trying to respond.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 1:29:54 PM   
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The vast majority of the most current mocks have JJ McCarthy going in the top 10 picks now. I just poured through a slew of them and the latest I saw McCarthy picked was by the Vikings at #11. I've also read that NFL scouts like JJ better than the evaluators on draft sites.

If he is there at #11, the Vikings should pounce. He won't be on the board if they trade back.

The mocks having McCarthy go earlier are sheep mentality. Somebody hears somebody bleating McCarthy they fall in line Baaaa... Baaa.... If we don't get him. No big loss. I'd rather get the great pass rushers available at 11. I could be wrong. He might be worth pick 11. I think he isn't.

Yes, we get it. The two guys who agree with are NFL gurus. Anyone who likes McCarthy is a sheep. Sites like CBS, the Athletic and SI are moving McCarthy up because they have found the actual NFL teams are higher on McCarthy than the draft gurus with websites.

I see a guy who would go higher if he wasn't constrained by one of the few offenses more run heavy than the Gophers. I'll be very happy if the Vikings can get him at 12.

This is the issue.

I wouldn’t mind landing either McCarthy or Penix … but now that KG has gotten involved, he makes it impossible not to pull for the guy he is trying so hard to poop on.

First of all I don't agree with those Guru's you are talking about. I have McCarthy above Penix. Why do you want to turn a discussion into an argument or fight? Why do you insist on misrepresenting my stance?

I've said nothing bad about McCarthy. Not one tiny little thing. I've been very complimentary of him saying he's probably worth a late first round pick. That is far from pooping on him. About 3 weeks ago McCarthy was universally considered a 2nd round pick. I guess CBS, SI and the Athletic are more complimentary than me now. We haven't even made it to the combine and they've moved McCarthy up their draft boards 40 picks or more. That's why I call the people moving McCarthy up draft boards massive amounts sheep. They got nothing to go on. Klatt and Brooks are less complimentary. I think that makes me pretty middle of the road and uncommitted regarding him.

I've told you before, point blank, I don't think you argue your points honestly.

In this case, start with you arguing that 'you haven't said one tiny' bad thing about McCarthy / you've been 'very complimentary' ... instead of admitting that you said 'he's nothing special' and unworthy of #11.

There's nothing wrong with thinking Penix is far better than McCarthy ... just don't be so obtuse about it.

Next go to your comments about Klatt and Brooks as 'very nice endorsements' for Penix ... when TJ refers to a bunch of mocks favoring McCarthy over Penix – which is true of my experience as well – the vein in your neck pops out and you go on about THOSE draftniks being bleating sheep! Even though no specific names were referred to. They're sheep because they didn't agree with you.

You mocked Penix and gawd durn it that makes it scripture.

It happens every draft cycle.

If you can't see it, it can't be explained to you.

Saying he sucks would be a bad thing. Saying he's not worthy of 11 in the draft and he's nothing special is not. Calling somebody worthy of a first round pick is quite complimentary. I DON'T think Penix is far better than McCarthy. I don't even think he's as good as McCarthy. I am mind boggled by people's lack of reading comprehension. All I did was share the thinking of 2 pretty highly respected draft analysts who like Penix better. I mocked Penix because McCarthy was not available at the time. I also have Nix above Penix. So how on Earth did you get the idea that I preferred Penix to McCarthy???? I'm among the sheep who prefer McCarthy to Penix I guess. The reason I called those sources bleating sheep is because McCarthy hasn't done one single thing to cause his stock to rise, but it has risen around 40 places in all these mocks for no reason at all.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 1:32:55 PM   
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I just wish he would say he doesn’t like any of the top ones. I would take any of the top 7-8. Even Rattler Milton later.

You and I bicker all ... the ... time. We couldn't come at things more differently.

But that is plainly just a difference of opinion between two fans of the same team.

Arguing with KG is a vastly different animal.

He expresses a point of view over and over then puts his hands over his ears and yells,'lalalalalala' when you are trying to respond.


I have responded point by point to your responses. I have read them and comprehended them. You read me specifically saying I prefer McCarthy to Penix and come away thinking I think Penix is far better. I can't make this up.
Here is just one of my comments saying I prefer McCarthy to Penix. The two guys I mentioned are pretty well respected, however I disagree with them. I have McCarthy above Penix. There are others.

Why do you try to make an argument or fight over something that there should be no argument or fight. Why do you misrepresent my stances? Is it intentional lying?

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 3:05:43 PM   
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Here's one I like
18.
J.J. McCarthy
QB Michigan
42.
T'Vondre Sweat
DT Texas
54.
Tyler Nubin
S Minnesota
109.
Jonah Elliss
EDGE Utah
130.
MarShawn Lloyd
RB USC
166.
Tyrice Knight
LB UTEP
179.
M.J. Devonshire
CB Pittsburgh
2025 CLE 3rd

I traded back and got an extra 2nd round pick this year, a 3rd round pick next year, and still got my #4 QB. I wasn't able to get one of the Edge Rushers I liked, but that's the price for getting the QB.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 3:10:04 PM   
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I just wish he would say he doesn’t like any of the top ones. I would take any of the top 7-8. Even Rattler Milton later.

You and I bicker all ... the ... time. We couldn't come at things more differently.

But that is plainly just a difference of opinion between two fans of the same team.

Arguing with KG is a vastly different animal.

He expresses a point of view over and over then puts his hands over his ears and yells,'lalalalalala' when you are trying to respond.


I have responded point by point to your responses. I have read them and comprehended them. You read me specifically saying I prefer McCarthy to Penix and come away thinking I think Penix is far better. I can't make this up.
Here is just one of my comments saying I prefer McCarthy to Penix. The two guys I mentioned are pretty well respected, however I disagree with them. I have McCarthy above Penix. There are others.

Why do you try to make an argument or fight over something that there should be no argument or fight. Why do you misrepresent my stances? Is it intentional lying?

I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my posts.

But you haven’t even scratched the surface of my meaning so stop trying.

We’ll have to agree to misunderstand eachother and move on.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 5:14:29 PM   
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I just wish he would say he doesn’t like any of the top ones. I would take any of the top 7-8. Even Rattler Milton later.

You and I bicker all ... the ... time. We couldn't come at things more differently.

But that is plainly just a difference of opinion between two fans of the same team.

Arguing with KG is a vastly different animal.

He expresses a point of view over and over then puts his hands over his ears and yells,'lalalalalala' when you are trying to respond.


I have responded point by point to your responses. I have read them and comprehended them. You read me specifically saying I prefer McCarthy to Penix and come away thinking I think Penix is far better. I can't make this up.
Here is just one of my comments saying I prefer McCarthy to Penix. The two guys I mentioned are pretty well respected, however I disagree with them. I have McCarthy above Penix. There are others.

Why do you try to make an argument or fight over something that there should be no argument or fight. Why do you misrepresent my stances? Is it intentional lying?

I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my posts.

But you haven’t even scratched the surface of my meaning so stop trying.

We’ll have to agree to misunderstand each other and move on.


LOL! He cherry picked his two evaluators. He's apparently never seen players rise and fall in the projections. He is literally all over the map. Other than that, his posts are fine.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 5:18:22 PM   
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I just wish he would say he doesn’t like any of the top ones. I would take any of the top 7-8. Even Rattler Milton later.

You and I bicker all ... the ... time. We couldn't come at things more differently.

But that is plainly just a difference of opinion between two fans of the same team.

Arguing with KG is a vastly different animal.

He expresses a point of view over and over then puts his hands over his ears and yells,'lalalalalala' when you are trying to respond.


What false praise! Phil has his own set of ploys. Although when Phil and KGBum go at it, Bum is on the losing end. THAT is saying something.

Bum isn't going to let it go. He'll go to the flat ends of the earth to make you see his ways.
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 9:14:43 PM   
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CBS, The Athletic and SI know nothing about what actual NFL teams think.

Actually, they do. The Athletic in particular is comprised of a lot of former team beat writers, who have many contacts inside the organizations they covered. Other national publications build relationships with current beat writers, broadcasters, etc.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/25/2024 10:38:01 PM   
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CBS, The Athletic and SI know nothing about what actual NFL teams think.

Actually, they do. The Athletic in particular is comprised of a lot of former team beat writers, who have many contacts inside the organizations they covered. Other national publications build relationships with current beat writers, broadcasters, etc.

I don't buy that the teams would tell them anything other than Smokescreens. Leaks should be only intentional misinformation. If I was a GM of a team and found out any employee leaked anything true I would immediately fire that employee and bring civil charges against them.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/26/2024 8:05:14 AM   
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All good beat reporters have moles inside the organizations they cover. They know a lot of things that they keep off the record.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/26/2024 10:16:09 AM   
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All good beat reporters have moles inside the organizations they cover. They know a lot of things that they keep off the record.


Exactly.

How do you think Woj and Shams accurately announce every NBA draft pick literally minutes before they happen?
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/26/2024 10:48:23 AM   
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All good beat reporters have moles inside the organizations they cover. They know a lot of things that they keep off the record.

How do they get these moles willing to share important team secrets? Do they bribe them and the moles just hope to never get caught?

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/26/2024 10:49:19 AM   
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All good beat reporters have moles inside the organizations they cover. They know a lot of things that they keep off the record.


Exactly.

How do you think Woj and Shams accurately announce every NBA draft pick literally minutes before they happen?

Because at that point the teams want the publicity and volunteer the information.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/26/2024 11:35:20 AM   
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All good beat reporters have moles inside the organizations they cover. They know a lot of things that they keep off the record.


Exactly.

How do you think Woj and Shams accurately announce every NBA draft pick literally minutes before they happen?

Yes. Michael Russo is another great example in the NHL. They promise to keep it off the record until a certain time or frame the information in a vague context.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/28/2024 12:42:22 PM   
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For those who like Penix this no trade stick and pick draft is a good one.

11.
Dallas Turner
EDGE Alabama
42.
Michael Penix Jr.
QB Washington
109.
Mekhi Wingo
DT LSU
130.
Brandon Coleman
OG TCU
156.
Dillon Johnson
RB Washington
166.
Drake Nugent
OC Michigan
179.
Sam Hartman
QB Notre Dame
228.
Omar Speights
LB LSU

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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/28/2024 12:54:22 PM   
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I've been wanting an Edge rusher unless Daniels falls, but Murphy is looking like a freaking stud and I'm on board with him being the pick.
Tony Pauline
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RE: 2024 Draft - 2/28/2024 1:02:33 PM   
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More fuel to the Murphy to the Vikings fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koWiRUbMlzU

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