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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

In retrospect, I'll say Kwesi ultimately gave up too much to move from 42 to 17, even for the selection.

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Got back a 7th.

Darn near an entire draft.

You didn't need to wait for retrospect. They way overpaid for the draft slot if you treat it as one deal. But the trade up was a two step process, with very different motivations for each part.

The Vikes overpaid to get to #23 so they could have a chance to trade up to get Drake May. But the Pats had the same opinion of Drake May, and so no deal was possible. Was that a defensible decision? I'd say it was at least close. They had to do it, if they wanted any chance to get one of the top 3 QBs. But it didn't work out. So hold them responsible for that misjudgment.

But given the situation they faced on draft day, was it worth overpaying to trade up from 23 to get Turner specifically? That's not about the slot; that's about the player. That trade worth it? Hell yeah.

But he could be a bust. What do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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ORIGINAL: marty
It was going out on a limb with several posters chastising me, and insisting that it was much smarter to take a defender first, and a QB 2nd.
Thank you 😊

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty
It was going out on a limb with several posters chastising me, and insisting that it was much smarter to take a defender first, and a QB 2nd.
Thank you 😊

I think most nervously wanted a top 6 QB...most were worried more than chastising that a top 6 wouldn't be there that late.
In the end who cares Marty. We got two top 10 talents in the draft.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Everyone knew we were taking a QB early.

Everyone

Everyone minus the 2 people on here that said if we didn't trade up into the top 5, we should first take a defender with our 1st 1st round pick, and QB with the 2nd.

I stated a QB is more valuable, so the 1st pick should be QB, the 2nd pick a defender. The Vikings agreed, and they made the correct decision.

Thank you. 😊

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ORIGINAL: marty

QBs like Elway that were great in the 2 minute drills, but Elway didn't win a Super Bowl when he was great at that. He won Super Bowls in his later years, when his teams would get ahead and run the ball.

Favre won one Super Bowl when he had a powerhouse team, got ahead early in the games, with lifts from special teams and defense, didn't need 2 minute drills on his Super Bowl run.

Montana won with the great pass to Dwight Clark, but didn't need a 2 minute drill in the Super Bowl, and won several other Super Bowls in dominant fashion, with early leads.

Aikman never won with 2 minute drills, it was mostly domination, and one wide right.

Aaron Rodgers won with an early lead in the Super Bowl, defense sealing it.

Russell Wilson beat the Packers with a comeback, but won the Super Bowl with early lead and domination.

Brady needed some good 2 minute drills to lead to game winning FGs in the Super Bowl, and was in a 2 minute drill the entire 2nd half of his comeback win against Atlanta in the Super Bowl.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Execs unfiltered on NFL Draft: What were the Falcons thinking? Thoughts on all 16 NFC teams

Minnesota Vikings

The Vikings landed quarterback J.J. McCarthy after climbing only one spot, but the draft capital they burned elsewhere was so massive that some execs questioned Minnesota’s process.

“I can buy trading some future picks if you are going to be contending and you are going to get a potential starter,” one exec said. “But the Vikings are not even close to contending. What they did, or even what the Bears did in giving up a (2025) fourth (for a fifth this year), I would not be doing that if I were those teams.”

The Vikings traded 2025 third- and fourth-round picks to Jacksonville to jump from 23 to 17 for edge rusher Dallas Turner. That was on top of the 2025 second-rounder they sent to Houston before the draft for No. 23, as a chip for possibly climbing for a quarterback, which wound up being unnecessary. Now, the Vikings hold only three picks in 2025, plus a likely third-round compensatory choice for losing Cousins.

“(General manager) Kwesi (Adofo-Mensah) had the capital to move up for a quarterback if he needed it, and then he read the room right to know he could get J.J. without mortgaging a future first-round pick,” another exec said. “On the second trade, to get Dallas Turner, they paid a lot, but because Houston gave up so much for Will Anderson last year, I could see Kwesi saying, ‘Well, if we feel Dallas Turner is a Will Anderson type, let’s go up and get him.'”

Having no defensive players drafted among the top 14 allowed the Vikings to get the second edge rusher with the 17th selection. Turner plausibly could have been the top edge rusher on Minnesota’s board, given medical concerns surrounding Laiatu Latu, selected 15th by Indianapolis.

McCarthy and Turner will cost less than $9.5 million in combined APY. That and the $19 million APY for free-agent pass rusher Jonathan Greenard is far less than the combined $69.5 million in APY that Cousins and former Vikings pass rusher Danielle Hunter commanded in the market.

“They got younger, cheaper and healthier with more upside,” an exec said. “It is hard to argue against that.”

https://theathletic.com/5464817/2024/05/02/nfl-draft-nfc-best-worst-classes-insider-reaction/?source=targeted_email&campaign=9745171&userId=114953

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ORIGINAL: marty

QBs like Elway that were great in the 2 minute drills, but Elway didn't win a Super Bowl when he was great at that. He won Super Bowls in his later years, when his teams would get ahead and run the ball.

Favre won one Super Bowl when he had a powerhouse team, got ahead early in the games, with lifts from special teams and defense, didn't need 2 minute drills on his Super Bowl run.

Montana won with the great pass to Dwight Clark, but didn't need a 2 minute drill in the Super Bowl, and won several other Super Bowls in dominant fashion, with early leads.

Aikman never won with 2 minute drills, it was mostly domination, and one wide right.

Aaron Rodgers won with an early lead in the Super Bowl, defense sealing it.

Russell Wilson beat the Packers with a comeback, but won the Super Bowl with early lead and domination.

Brady needed some good 2 minute drills to lead to game winning FGs in the Super Bowl, and was in a 2 minute drill the entire 2nd half of his comeback win against Atlanta in the Super Bowl.

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ORIGINAL: marty

It's good that almost everyone realized the importance of getting a QB, most especially Kwesi.

Looking back at posts pre-draft, I am impressed with how most posters (and Kiper) here were right about many things. The disagreements were small things, and what is cool 😎, is most people (except the Communists and Socialists), liked the idea of getting McCarthy.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Bill, thankfully you were correct about McCarthy being worth #11 and chump change, and that the Vikings didn't overspend on him. That was a good call on your part.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Good for you Bill, it is so impressive that you never mention the Packers, you probably didn't live in Wisconsin for 30 years.

I wasn't gloating about anything here, only in your little mind. I was thinking off the top of my head about teams that won the Super Bowl, and whether or not they needed a 2 minute drill from their QB.

I started out with few teams needing it, but then discovered plenty, and more recently teams have needed it. The league probably favors teams winning it with QB play, it's boring for a RB to take over, so a flag for holding is more likely on teams running the ball late in the Super Bowl.

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ORIGINAL: marty

My comment had nothing to do with my predicting the Vikings getting a QB.

I was talking about the discussion about whether or not the Vikings should take a QB 1st if they didn't trade up.

It's no big deal, you're correct. And it's no big deal that you stated the obvious and guaranteed a whole back they would take a QB.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Did JJ face many blitzes ?

How did he handle blitzes ?

I have a feeling Darnold and JJ will REALLY struggle early on against Flores' defense in practice.