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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 7:04:40 AM

Bill Jandro

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It’s not like we’re running tight on coaches and assistants. We should be lighting it up on offense. Dictating games. It’s clear Kevin has stars under performing. What’s the point of having Jets if he can’t take over games. We just force things.

When other teams design their defense to take him out of games, you have to take advantage by using the other talent on the offense, like Jones, Addison, Hockenson, Nailor, Oliver, etc etc etc.

Forcing things is what happens when you try too hard to get the ball into one guy's hands all the time.

They need to get it in Darnold's head that someone is going to be open because they are rolling too much coverage towards JJ...

He just needs to identify them quickly and deliver an accurate ball.

They do this and we will roll most teams.

o'connell has to design/call plays that work for darnold...throws he can make...throws darnold can make quickly...throws darnold can make while rolling out of the pocket...throws to places that are only occupied by one of our wr's....

as per judd zulgad, jacksonville had the 28th best defense against the pass....

If Darnold really hurt his hand trying to tackle after 3rd INT, you wouldn't know it. He was more accurate after that.

Maybe slam his hand in a door before game.

Jax has given up a ton to TE and RBs. KOC still wouldn't pound those two; had to force it to JJ and Addison at times. The CB that returned after being out 4 games was pretty tough plus they were trying to stop the medium to deep routes.

Looks a lot like DC's have figured out O'Connell's offense and his/Darnold's tendencies. JAX defense (ranked 28th) blitzed only ONCE in 42 drop backs. They came in to this game with 2 INT's all season and picked off Darnold 3 times. Even O'Connell's scripted plays bombed in this game. But clearly he isn't adjusting to what the defense is giving us he continues to force feed JJ and the med to deep routes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 7:32:04 AM

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They figured out they could blanket Jefferson wo having to pay for looser coverage elsewhere. Often times Sam doesn’t take his off of Jets the whole time and Sam’s going to him within a small window needing perfect throws.

We’re doing it to ourselves.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 9:37:11 AM

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KOC's new shitty offense:

402 yards versus 143
4.9 yards per play versus 3.3
82 plays run versus 43
over 42 minutes time of possession

Yeah, the offense has been "found out". If Darnold doesn't throw stupid picks this game is an absolute blowout on the scoreboard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 9:37:22 AM

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Happy birthday David F!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 9:40:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

KOC's new shitty offense:

402 yards versus 143
4.9 yards per play versus 3.3
82 plays run versus 43
over 42 minutes time of possession

Yeah, the offense has been "found out". If Darnold doesn't throw stupid picks this game is an absolute blowout on the scoreboard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 10:44:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

KOC's new shitty offense:

402 yards versus 143
4.9 yards per play versus 3.3
82 plays run versus 43
over 42 minutes time of possession

Yeah, the offense has been "found out". If Darnold doesn't throw stupid picks this game is an absolute blowout on the scoreboard.

Exactly. Darnold needs to realize he doesn't have to force the ball to JJ.

He has other receiver options.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 11:21:52 AM

Bill Johanesen

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This century the Vikings have alternated easygoing and taskmaster head coaches:

Tice
Childress
Frazier
Zimmer
O'Connell

The next coach will be a disciplinarian.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 11:29:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

KOC's new shitty offense:

402 yards versus 143
4.9 yards per play versus 3.3
82 plays run versus 43
over 42 minutes time of possession

Yeah, the offense has been "found out". If Darnold doesn't throw stupid picks this game is an absolute blowout on the scoreboard.

Why compare the offense with Jacksonville's? Guess it looks better on paper.
I wouldn't champion 4.9 yards per play... 4.9 ypp equates to 25th/26th in the league this year.
82 plays... 0 TDs. Same with TOP. Another pair of futility-based records?

Actually, it looks like you are making a point about the Vikings defense.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 11/12/2024 11:48:31 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 12:28:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

KOC's new shitty offense:

402 yards versus 143
4.9 yards per play versus 3.3
82 plays run versus 43
over 42 minutes time of possession

Yeah, the offense has been "found out". If Darnold doesn't throw stupid picks this game is an absolute blowout on the scoreboard.

Why compare the offense with Jacksonville's? Guess it looks better on paper.
I wouldn't champion 4.9 yards per play... 4.9 ypp equates to 25th/26th in the league this year.
82 plays... 0 TDs. Same with TOP. Another pair of futility-based records?

Actually, it looks like you are making a point about the Vikings defense.

I'm not sure how you manage 82 plays / 400 yards with a "figured out" offense.
That strikes me far more as "piss poor red zone execution/careless with the ball".

If you wanted to argue defenses know how to defend Vikes in redzone... I'd agree with you... Vikes can't/don't pound the run inside the 10.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 2:25:54 PM

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I think the first pick and maybe the 2nd were kind of on Jefferson. (The last one was pure Slingin' Sammy!). Half-assed efforts at positioning.

We all know Jets is relatively mellow as alpha WRs go, but he seems frustrated

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 3:17:22 PM

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Didn't we win?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 6:33:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

KOC's new shitty offense:

402 yards versus 143
4.9 yards per play versus 3.3
82 plays run versus 43
over 42 minutes time of possession

Yeah, the offense has been "found out". If Darnold doesn't throw stupid picks this game is an absolute blowout on the scoreboard.

12 points. The gavel has dropped.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/12/2024 8:50:20 PM

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Happy birthday David F!

Thank you!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/13/2024 9:39:55 AM

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KOC is finally starting to learn the importance of running the ball and time of possession.

But he might want to learn the importance of running well in short yardage, calling run plays when at the opponents 10 yards line, what plays to not call in certain situations, and maybe how to design better RUN plays.

KOC does seem good at designing pass plays.

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