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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 3:57:54 PM   
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Yet we continue to draft wide receivers..early and often..


It's frustrating. A good oline makes the rest of the offense better. An average run game is improved with an interior line push. So is the pass game That's the most frustrating thing about our team.

We have tried. We are batting about .500 on early round OLinemen.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 4:01:15 PM   
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Gabriel Murphy made it onto the practice squad.


We have no real future until we acquire a quality center, left guard, and a big dt. We are a very soft team in the trenches.

And some quality CBs. Is Moreau any worse than Gilmore? At least Moreau is in the picture on big plays.

Gilmore has the smarts but he can only do so much physically now.


Oh, for sure. I was just thinking about how we could improve with three draft picks and a decent amount of money to spend in free agency next year. We can improve the lines and it will make everything better on offense and defense.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 4:37:10 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 4:38:36 PM   
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Gabriel Murphy made it onto the practice squad.


We have no real future until we acquire a quality center, left guard, and a big dt. We are a very soft team in the trenches.

And some quality CBs. Is Moreau any worse than Gilmore? At least Moreau is in the picture on big plays.

Gilmore has the smarts but he can only do so much physically now.


That young kid was pretty effective today from Oklahoma. Redmond

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 4:45:45 PM   
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Gabriel Murphy made it onto the practice squad.


We have no real future until we acquire a quality center, left guard, and a big dt. We are a very soft team in the trenches.

And some quality CBs. Is Moreau any worse than Gilmore? At least Moreau is in the picture on big plays.

Gilmore has the smarts but he can only do so much physically now.


Oh, for sure. I was just thinking about how we could improve with three draft picks and a decent amount of money to spend in free agency next year. We can improve the lines and it will make everything better on offense and defense.


I think they have to be careful in that the 2025 cap is a bit of a mirage. The cap hits for JJ, Hock, and Darrisaw jump after next year and add an additional $40 million to the cap.

Multiple CBs, IOL, DL... there isn't that much cap unless Kwesi busts out a new deck of credit cards.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 4:55:28 PM   
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Gabriel Murphy made it onto the practice squad.


We have no real future until we acquire a quality center, left guard, and a big dt. We are a very soft team in the trenches.

And some quality CBs. Is Moreau any worse than Gilmore? At least Moreau is in the picture on big plays.

Gilmore has the smarts but he can only do so much physically now.


Oh, for sure. I was just thinking about how we could improve with three draft picks and a decent amount of money to spend in free agency next year. We can improve the lines and it will make everything better on offense and defense.


I think they have to be careful in that the 2025 cap is a bit of a mirage. The cap hits for JJ, Hock, and Darrisaw jump after next year and add an additional $40 million to the cap.

Multiple CBs, IOL, DL... there isn't that much cap unless Kwesi busts out a new deck of credit cards.


Kwesi added 3 legit playmakers (greenard, van ginkel, cashman) and a bunch more solid contributers (gilmore, griffin, jones)... not to mention Darnold with FAR FAR less cap flexibility.

Could that be a total fluke year... yep, absolutely.

But adding known quantities in players that will fit the team actually seems to be Kwesi strong suit.
I'm excited to see what he can do with an offseason an no albatross qb contract.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 5:26:55 PM   
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Gabriel Murphy made it onto the practice squad.


We have no real future until we acquire a quality center, left guard, and a big dt. We are a very soft team in the trenches.

And some quality CBs. Is Moreau any worse than Gilmore? At least Moreau is in the picture on big plays.

Gilmore has the smarts but he can only do so much physically now.


Oh, for sure. I was just thinking about how we could improve with three draft picks and a decent amount of money to spend in free agency next year. We can improve the lines and it will make everything better on offense and defense.


I think they have to be careful in that the 2025 cap is a bit of a mirage. The cap hits for JJ, Hock, and Darrisaw jump after next year and add an additional $40 million to the cap.

Multiple CBs, IOL, DL... there isn't that much cap unless Kwesi busts out a new deck of credit cards.


Kwesi added 3 legit playmakers (greenard, van ginkel, cashman) and a bunch more solid contributers (gilmore, griffin, jones)... not to mention Darnold with FAR FAR less cap flexibility.

Could that be a total fluke year... yep, absolutely.

But adding known quantities in players that will fit the team actually seems to be Kwesi strong suit.
I'm excited to see what he can do with an offseason an no albatross qb contract.



Greenard at $22 million for 2025, 2026, 2027 is not exactly a bargain but he's playing at a Pro Bowl level. His issue has been consistency so we'll see but he thrives in this D. Gilmore is eh, you get what you pay for. Van Gink is probably the best value of the defenders so far at 3 yrs/20M. And Darnold has been a bargain, and will be unless he falls off the cliff. So overall pretty darn good.

No doubt free agency will be interesting. My point is there will be a lot of needs. So we'll see.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/1/2024 5:50:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		KOC and Jones and their moment after Jones’ TD might do more than anything to keep this rolling.

We need Jones at his best to get this offense revved up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 5:42:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jones was a large part of the Packers late season run last year, and he only fumbled 2 times during the season, 0 in the playoffs.

But the season before, Jones had 5 fumbles, 2nd behind Henry who had 6 fumbles.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 5:44:35 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 7:28:07 AM   
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KOC is great at the human element, I look forward to what he will do with McCarthy, I think together they will being the 1st Super Bowl win for the Vikings.


Ill give you a couple of facts Marty.

The Vikes have been 10-2 only 8 times in their 61 year history and KOC has done it twice now.
Sam has tied Brett Favre and Dante in having the most games (10) with a a 100+ passer rating with 6 games left.

You may want to marvel at what Sam is doing more and focus on McCarthy less right now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 7:41:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fair enough Phil, I just don't have a lot of faith in Darnold in a playoff run.

I enjoy regular season wins, but I don't marvel at them. I will enjoy ANY playoff wins we get out of Darnold. I will marvel a little bit if he gets the team the Super Bowl, and will REALLY marvel if Sam wins a Super Bowl, that would be marvelous !

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 7:56:26 AM   
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Fair enough Phil, I just don't have a lot of faith in Darnold in a playoff run.

I enjoy regular season wins, but I don't marvel at them. I will enjoy ANY playoff wins we get out of Darnold. I will marvel a little bit if he gets the team the Super Bowl, and will REALLY marvel if Sam wins a Super Bowl, that would be marvelous !


Sam has been clutch when needed....you can go all the way back to his college days....just ask Brad H. He also is playing with a bad foot and his right hand was bandaged up too.....

He so far has been more clutch than Kirk, Dante, and Favre while being better at minimizing risk (while taking more risk than Kirk or Dante).....it is a big bowl of crow for me. I didn't think he could be this good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 7:58:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Our defense has to get back to being dominate again for us to have a chance in the playoffs.....no teams win it all w/o a higher end defense. They were asleep for 2 to 3 quarters yesterday.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 10:05:30 AM   
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Our defense has to get back to being dominate again for us to have a chance in the playoffs....


I’m not sure that’s true. I think this team will go as far as they believe they can. Whether it’s the Defense, offense, or special teams.

They can beat or lose to anyone really.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 10:25:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's very true Todd but Phil has a point. For us to make hay in playoffs I would say this:

1. The offense can't fall asleep for quarters on end. That falls on KOC, IMO
2. The D has to assert themselves early in the games like they did in the first 5 weeks. I don't know if it's age/injuries/got found out ect. One thing I know is that they aren't getting home like they did early and our backend is not constructed to hold up for 5+ seconds. We need to figure out why our pressure is not getting home.
3. The ST's have been fine. I'd like to see more but they are probably league average-ish. Not a reason we are winning or losing.
4. TO's in the RZ is a staple of the KOC offense. I don't know why but if that's not corrected, we will not win a playoff game. Let alone a couple...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 10:47:07 AM   
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Jones was a large part of the Packers late season run last year, and he only fumbled 2 times during the season, 0 in the playoffs.

But the season before, Jones had 4 fumbles, 2nd behind Henry who had 6 fumbles.


The season before (last), he had 5 fumbles not 4.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 11:54:39 AM   
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i don't think we blitzed that much yesterday...also, I noticed that our new lb, jamin davis, was active but didn't play...needs a little more time to learn the system...i think flores sees him as a blitzer...good size and great speed....

for the most part, kyler murray looked remarkable yesterday...he made some exceptional passes to some well-covered receivers...they kicked our asses for 2.75 quarters...if murray was our quarterback, we'd be in the mix for a deep playoff run....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 12:04:28 PM   
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That's very true Todd but Phil has a point. For us to make hay in playoffs I would say this:

1. The offense can't fall asleep for quarters on end. That falls on KOC, IMO
2. The D has to assert themselves early in the games like they did in the first 5 weeks. I don't know if it's age/injuries/got found out ect. One thing I know is that they aren't getting home like they did early and our backend is not constructed to hold up for 5+ seconds. We need to figure out why our pressure is not getting home.
3. The ST's have been fine. I'd like to see more but they are probably league average-ish. Not a reason we are winning or losing.
4. TO's in the RZ is a staple of the KOC offense. I don't know why but if that's not corrected, we will not win a playoff game. Let alone a couple...


Their running game is predicated on Off Tackle runs with Jones; Oliver was missed yesterday. Hope he gets well soon.

The good thing with the Gillmore injury (if there was one) is that Moreau and Griffin like Man Coverage better which doesn't allow for the quick routes to the TE and WR as much and a better chance to get home and zone blitz schemes.

Gillmore is a zone cover corner according to what I read.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 12:17:42 PM   
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That's very true Todd but Phil has a point. For us to make hay in playoffs I would say this:

1. The offense can't fall asleep for quarters on end. That falls on KOC, IMO
2. The D has to assert themselves early in the games like they did in the first 5 weeks. I don't know if it's age/injuries/got found out ect. One thing I know is that they aren't getting home like they did early and our backend is not constructed to hold up for 5+ seconds. We need to figure out why our pressure is not getting home.
3. The ST's have been fine. I'd like to see more but they are probably league average-ish. Not a reason we are winning or losing.
4. TO's in the RZ is a staple of the KOC offense. I don't know why but if that's not corrected, we will not win a playoff game. Let alone a couple...


If we were cleaner on these things we wouldn’t sweat through games like we do. We’d have the lead on Detroit. We’d be confident on a playoff run. And maybe any one of these things stop us from getting out of the 1st round. I just happen to buy in that a team that is together, and has talent, can imperfectly find themselves in the SB. I think this team can. Let’s hope the start hitting on all cylinders soon and nobody wants to face us. Home or on the road.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 12:23:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Teams have been beating some of the blitzes, so Flores is trying to back off on some of the blitzes.

Teams are making some adjustments to certain blitzes, or coverages that Flores is doing. Murray is a decent QB, and they have a good RB. And Arizona also did some good things defensively, followed by KC and Darnold making some adjustments to that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 12:28:31 PM   
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It reminded me of a similar primal roar (again, maybe not the best description, it's what I remember some writer calling it) that Adrian Peterson let out after making a great run at Pittsburgh, having a defender just getting trucked by Adrian on the play.

Both guys were in beast mode, but both guys also saw their team on the losing end.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 1:11:02 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 1:13:57 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/2/2024 1:25:52 PM   
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Detroit could skid here a bit.



Sadly the Niners are out of that equations now. Packers/Bills and we take care of bidness.
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