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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:16:27 PM

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i have a sense that darnold would give us a tom brady type deal...like $40mm/yr over five years...he would much rather stay with o'connell and his teammates than move on for a little more money....

if one is making $200mm over five years, are they really going to be able to live a better life making $250mm, or $275mm...we have the best facilities in the NFL, and the best stadium, and coaches, and teammates...plus, we made darnold what he is today....

he'll take less than market...about 25% less....

Baker Mayfield contract would be ideal 3/100.

Unfortunately Baker has already outperformed that deal.

There are people that really, really want to KEEP Darnold but they really, really don't want to PAY Darnold.

It's like the Seinfeld car reservation skit:

See, you know how to take the reservation. You just don't know how to hold the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation, the holding.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=926568895452859

I get that he doesn't owe us anything like a discounted salary.

But, we don't owe him anything either. Like leaving here without getting some kind of compensation. KAM should be fired if he doesn't do what is in the best interest of team.

Offer him 3 years 120M or we franchise you.

If he wins SB, probably 5 yrs 250M.

Good #’s.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:21:50 PM

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If he wins the Super Bowl, there is nothing else to accomplish. You turn it over to McCarthy, and see if you can mold a 2nd QB to win another Super Bowl.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:23:04 PM

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Darnold was not the initial plan in 2024. He was a backup plan and a veteran to help mold the new kid. It was never the intention of the organization to have him start 16 games.

Daniel Jones can be the same plan for 2025, he can be the guy to help mold McCarthy, initially being the starter, then back up to McCarthy.

Might be able to sign Daniel Jones for 10 mil/1 season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:25:42 PM

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Vikings win 3 consecutive Super Bowls, with 3 different starting QBs: Darnold, Jones and McCarthy.

History is made !!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:27:26 PM

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Darnold was not the initial plan in 2024. He was a backup plan and a veteran to help mold the new kid. It was never the intention of the organization to have him start 16 games.

Daniel Jones can be the same plan for 2025, he can be the guy to help mold McCarthy, initially being the starter, then back up to McCarthy.

Might be able to sign Daniel Jones for 10 mil/1 season.

McCarthy is a better prospect than Jones was. It would be disappointing, to say the least, if Jones can beat him out for the job.

Jones was a massive reach by the Giants who were desperate for a QB in a horrible QB draft (Gardner Minshew is the 2nd best QB after Kyler Murray in that draft). A lot of reputable sites had him as a 2nd, or even 3rd, round pick. McCarthy was a consensus Top half of the 1st round pick.

Just because we've been able to get a legit #3 pick to play to his expected potential doesn't mean we can do the same with Jones.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:28:25 PM

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If he wins the Super Bowl, there is nothing else to accomplish. You turn it over to McCarthy, and see if you can mold a 2nd QB to win another Super Bowl.

If he wins the SB, repeating is a MASSIVE accomplishment. There is no way you let him go if he wins you a SB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:53:55 PM

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There have been plenty of teams that won back to back Super Bowls, but KOC would have the chance to win back to back Super Bowls with 2 different starting QBs, something that I don't think has ever been accomplished.

It's all about making history.

Or it will simply be the Chiefs making history, becoming the 1st team to ever win 3 consecutive Super Bowls.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 2:59:49 PM

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There have been plenty of teams that won back to back Super Bowls, but KOC would have the chance to win back to back Super Bowls with 2 different starting QBs, something that I don't think has ever been accomplished.

There have been 2 teams since the year 2000.

Anything before that and you're talking totally different eras and methods for team building.

Also, I'd much rather try to be the first team to win 3 straight Super Bowls. And Sam most likely gives us the best chance to do that (especially over a rookie next year).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 3:17:13 PM

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Ronnie Lott chose not to heal his finger through a medical procedure and chose to allow himself to be injured.

Note I always had visions of him chewing it off on the sideline like a fox caught in a trap. Its way less manly.

No, Lott was injured and chose to have the tip his pinky finger removed so he could keep playing. He didn’t choose to be injured.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 3:43:04 PM

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Todd you’re crushing it. Were you the captain of your debate team?

No! This is au naturel.

Unbelievable!

I know right!

Probably why everyone hates you and rarely respond to your posts.

I can’t think of anything else..

How about being schizo, right now…?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 3:55:16 PM

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Todd you’re crushing it. Were you the captain of your debate team?

No! This is au naturel.

Unbelievable!

I know right!

Probably why everyone hates you and rarely respond to your posts.

I can’t think of anything else..

How about being schizo, right now…?

Careful. Your house is glassier than most.

I’m enjoying the strongest mental health I ever have.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 4:00:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Todd you’re crushing it. Were you the captain of your debate team?

No! This is au naturel.

Unbelievable!

I know right!

Probably why everyone hates you and rarely respond to your posts.

I can’t think of anything else..

How about being schizo, right now…?

Careful. Your house is glassier than most.

I’m enjoying the strongest mental health I ever have.

My glass is shattered.. I shoot back..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 4:18:07 PM

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Hmmm. Fair enough.

I hope your life starts to change, Dan. Starting with the Vikings hoisting the Lombardi. I hope something so awesome, so ridiculously long awaited for lights up all the happy chemicals in your brain and fries all that is dark and broken.

Now I know the Vikes winning isn’t your #1 thing. Obv I wish that 1st. But who knows. Maybe some happy universe juice will give you some better perspective. Not you and your pride vs the world and all the shit its thrown at you. But by wronging rights despite it. Find your way back man. You’re smart enough and strong enough to do anything.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 4:19:05 PM

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i have a sense that darnold would give us a tom brady type deal...like $40mm/yr over five years...he would much rather stay with o'connell and his teammates than move on for a little more money....

if one is making $200mm over five years, are they really going to be able to live a better life making $250mm, or $275mm...we have the best facilities in the NFL, and the best stadium, and coaches, and teammates...plus, we made darnold what he is today....

he'll take less than market...about 25% less....

Baker Mayfield contract would be ideal 3/100.

Unfortunately Baker has already outperformed that deal.

There are people that really, really want to KEEP Darnold but they really, really don't want to PAY Darnold.

It's like the Seinfeld car reservation skit:

See, you know how to take the reservation. You just don't know how to hold the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation, the holding.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=926568895452859

I get that he doesn't owe us anything like a discounted salary.

But, we don't owe him anything either. Like leaving here without getting some kind of compensation. KAM should be fired if he doesn't do what is in the best interest of team.

Offer him 3 years 120M or we franchise you.

If he wins SB, probably 5 yrs 250M.

So after they each yell "I owe you nothing" the team says "Oh yeah, well we're franchising your ass... while hoping to trade you." That's an option!

Anyway, yes a tag and trade seems like it can happen even though one involving a QB hasn't been done for 12 years and maybe never, is risky if one can't find a trading partner offering suitable comp, and kinda gives the big FU to a player.

Overall, this still needs to play out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 4:35:48 PM

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Ronnie Lott chose not to heal his finger through a medical procedure and chose to allow himself to be injured.

Note I always had visions of him chewing it off on the sideline like a fox caught in a trap. Its way less manly.

No, Lott was injured and chose to have the tip his pinky finger removed so he could keep playing. He didn’t choose to be injured.

I see your point.

Then surely you will agree that the choice was a Cousin of Allow. He abandoned a chunk of his body and took an injury instead of the proper procedure to heal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 5:09:26 PM

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https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/ronnie-lott-stunned-by-loss-of-fingertip-1986-2352531.php

In April, doctors looked at the badly damaged finger on Ronnie Lott's left hand and gave him two choices. They could operate, graft a bone from the wrist, insert a pin and have him wear a cast for the next eight weeks. Or they could amputate just above the first joint. Lott made what coaches like to call "the football decision." He told them to cut off the end of his finger. It was a simple procedure. He held out his hand, they numbed it and snipped off the finger tip and put his hand in a cast. After three weeks he went back to have the cast removed. The doctor took off the last dressing. "What do you think?" he asked. Lott couldn't answer. He was staring at a stub. Instead of a fingernail there was only a whitish, rounded stump. "The ugliest thing I've ever seen," Lott says. "I was trying to laugh it off, but I felt sick. I tried to stand up, but I broke into a cold sweat. It was just a total shock. I thought, 'Oh, man, I should have had the pin put in.' " Lott has had worse injuries, but emotionally this one was different. It made him feel that football was biting off bits and pieces of him, of everyone who plays. And no one seems to care. "We are losing the compassionate side of sports," he says. "We're becoming gladiators. If I ever become a coach, I hope I never lose sight of the fact that players are people. They feel, they have emotions. I could have all of Eddie DeBartolo's corporations and it isn't going to buy me a new finger. It has given me a new perspective on life."

Seriously, he sounds like a wimp. My right ring finger was cut off at the topmost joint, literally hanging on by some skin and tendon. It was sewn back on (along with putting the 'guts' back in to two other fingers), but never had the proper circulation and the so-called joint would never bend. Doc wasn't excited about the unveiling and asked what I wanted to do. Cut it off, now. After that was done I looked at it, said thanks, and moved on with life.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2025 5:23:20 PM

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Oh I really romanticized that wrong.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2025 10:25:26 PM

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Losing to Detroit tomorrow, but then beating the Lions in Detroit for the NFC Championship would be more fun, but I would prefer the less nerve-wracking win tomorrow, then 2 home victories to get into the Super Bowl.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/4/2025 11:17:09 PM

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The post season starts tomorrow..

Eight hours from now..

Sleep well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2025 10:02:56 AM

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the winner of the vikings-lions game is going to have to score more than 45 points....

addison and nailor are going to need 14 receptions and 4 touchdowns between them....

it would be interesting, and beneficial IMO, if o'connell can work chandler into his short passing game....

where I live, the game starts at 1:20am Monday...i scheduled a medical procedure for early Monday morning way before knowing the game time change, so I won't be able to watch the game until late Monday afternoon...I'm going to avoid learning the outcome until I finish watching the full length of the game Monday evening....

hey, vikings; break a leg....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2025 11:04:20 AM

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Both teams have a lousy pass defense. In the first game, Goff and Darnold were a combined 44 of 52 for 539 yards (84%... at 10.4 ypa!). The D has to get off the field to stay relatively fresh or Gibbs will be running wild in the second half.

Two worrisome NFC offensive components: Det passing and Phi rushing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2025 11:38:10 AM

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I like the game to be under 27 1/2 for the first half.

I think it will be a first half where the teams are trying to figure each other out, and then a lot more points will be scored in the 2nd half.

I think 34 should be enough to win. I think it will be 34-30 Lions, but that's only if the refs screw the Vikings over early in the 4th quarter.

More betting on Minnesota (just like against GB), except this time thd bettors lose. The game is an away game, and just like the Vikings winning in GB, then beating them at home, the Lions won at Minnesota, and will now win at home.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2025 11:39:08 AM

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If the refs don't screw Minnesota over in the 4th quarter, I think the Vikings will find a way to win.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2025 11:46:53 AM

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Vikings have not lost a game Cashman has played in this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/5/2025 6:46:12 PM

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On Sunday, Fox's Jay Glazer reported that multiple teams are considering trying to trade for O'Connell. The 39-year-old is set to enter the final year of his deal in 2025, and the two sides reportedly have not had contract talks just yet.

The last NFL head coach to be traded was Sean Payton in 2023, as the Denver Broncos sent the New Orleans Saints a first-round pick and second-round pick in return for Payton and a third-rounder. Other head coaches that have been traded in the last 25 years include Herm Edwards, Jon Gruden and Bill Belichick.

Odds are the Vikings will not trade O'Connell, but instead reward him with a new contract this offseason. The former Los Angeles Rams offensive coordinator is 34-16 as the head coach of the Vikings, including a 14-2 mark this season with "Sunday Night Football" pending.

O'Connell has played a critical role in quarterback Sam Darnold's turnaround. Once viewed as a draft bust, the former No. 3 overall pick has put together a career year with 4,153 passing yards and 35 passing touchdowns compared to 12 interceptions thrown. Darnold's 14 wins are the most wins by any quarterback in NFL history in his first season with a team, and he leads the NFL in completions (33) and completion percentage (52%) on throws 20 yards downfield. The last quarterback to lead the NFL in both categories was Drew Brees in 2009 -- the year he won Super Bowl MVP.

O'Connell has established himself as one of the top offensive minds in the NFL this year, and if the Vikings won't pay him, someone else will.

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