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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 12:53:50 PM   
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GREAT post Brad !!!

THIS:

....Playoff football is not a beauty contest. If running the ball can get you across the finish line, do it. We'd see Bill Belichick do it all the time, despite having Tom Brady. ....


KOC doesn't move to the short passing game when needed.....another thing that Tom Brady did also. Go 5 wide and get rid of the ball.
Against a team that loves to blitz we gave up on the run and went with Medium to deep passing routes most of the game.....we can blame the IOL but the scheme wasn't there either.

A good offensive game plan would have killed that Detroit defense last night.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 12:55:35 PM   
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Did someone mention Darnold looked like he was seeing ghosts?

ESPN Research credited Darnold with eight overthrows in the first half. The only game of his career in which he exceeded a 34% off-target rate was when he played for the New York Jets in 2019, in a matchup with the New England Patriots in which NFL Films recorded him saying that he was "seeing ghosts" on the sideline.


Its a different game if Sam isn't hyperventilating from the start.

Missed Hock high on two easy 3rd down conversions in the first quarter. Missed JJ high on two easy TDs. Took a massive sack instead of throwing the ball away. He had a couple throws to spots that didn't have a receiver or defender within 10 yards.



Lets not forget that this play should have been called a facemask, but again the officials missed an obvious call.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 12:56:57 PM   
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Others have said it but I'm going to reiterate it. This loss was on KOC. Yeah, Darnold was horse crap. No doubt. That said, if an idiot on this board (me) knows:

You IOL isn't a strength
Det is all out blitzing you up the middle
Your QB is having a very bad start to the night and looks out of sync

Why on earth did KOC not abandon his gameplan and adjust to a short passing game and a heavier run game? You can always go back to your bread and butter but my God, give Darnold a chance to get in some sort of rhythm.

Exactly. At some point you have to wake up and make an adjustment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 12:59:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can we stop with the stupid nicknames for Jefferson that he gave himself? Just a pet peeve I guess. The guy is beloved by many and that's fine but let him actually do something in big games first. He's not even Anthony Carter level in big games.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:23:46 PM   
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Others have said it but I'm going to reiterate it. This loss was on KOC. Yeah, Darnold was horse crap. No doubt. That said, if an idiot on this board (me) knows:

You IOL isn't a strength
Det is all out blitzing you up the middle
Your QB is having a very bad start to the night and looks out of sync

Why on earth did KOC not abandon his gameplan and adjust to a short passing game and a heavier run game? You can always go back to your bread and butter but my God, give Darnold a chance to get in some sort of rhythm.

Exactly. At some point you have to wake up and make an adjustment.


he opened the game with short passing, runs...moved the ball - as soon as darnold/o'connell had that audible screw up that became a false start, it went to hell....

for the rest of the game it seemed like all o'connell had was long developing pass plays that put darnold in trouble with the pass rush and too many receivers in one area....

one of those phucked up red zone plays had three receivers and four defenders in the same corner of the endzone....

gave up on play-action...not enough nailor on the field....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:28:28 PM   
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Can we stop with the stupid nicknames for Jefferson that he gave himself? Just a pet peeve I guess. The guy is beloved by many and that's fine but let him actually do something in big games first. He's not even Anthony Carter level in big games.


Since AC dominated a couple of playoff games, your sentence doesn't read right. How about something like "He's not even Hassan Jones level in big games."
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:35:45 PM   
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https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:39:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ja'Marr Chase in a must win game two days ago: 10 catches, 96 yards, 1 TD.

Big Game Jettas in a critically important game yesterday: 3 catches, 54 yards, 0 TD. Blanketed by some guy named Amik Robertson operating on a 2-yr, $9.25M contract.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:40:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		We saw the "fatal flaw" in Sam last night.

He has the physical tools. Arm strength, athleticism, touch, toughness. But he takes way too long to process what he sees. It shows up in his sack numbers and the amount of hits he takes. And why he so often tries the hard throw because he doesn't see the easier one (like that 3 week stretch where he never looked at Addison).

He's very slow through his progressions.

Again, KOC did him no favors last night, but Sam was reason #1 we lost.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:43:23 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Regardless of what the video proves, the bottomline is he "didn't have a good game"
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:45:20 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

< Message edited by Todd M -- 1/6/2025 1:47:21 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:49:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we score a couple early TDs and grab a decent lead, the whole complexion of the game changes.

Detroit can't wear us down with the run and they have to start passing. And Goff was not great yesterday. Other than the wounded duck to Smith, did he even try any deep passes?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:50:30 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:50:50 PM   
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Did someone mention Darnold looked like he was seeing ghosts?

ESPN Research credited Darnold with eight overthrows in the first half. The only game of his career in which he exceeded a 34% off-target rate was when he played for the New York Jets in 2019, in a matchup with the New England Patriots in which NFL Films recorded him saying that he was "seeing ghosts" on the sideline.


Its a different game if Sam isn't hyperventilating from the start.

Missed Hock high on two easy 3rd down conversions in the first quarter. Missed JJ high on two easy TDs. Took a massive sack instead of throwing the ball away. He had a couple throws to spots that didn't have a receiver or defender within 10 yards.

Detroit gave us every opportunity to score early and often and we shit the bed.

That said, KOC equally shit the bed. He let Campbell get into his head and kept leaving points on the field by being overaggressive. He abandoned a working running game continually in a 1 score game.

We apparently have no quick hitters in our playbook. Either that or KOC refused to call them and/or Sam refused to throw them.

They had 1 decent healthy player in their secondary - AND THEY LOST HIM TO INJURY DURING THE GAME. Did we make them pay? Not once.

I was all for franchising Sam and giving JJ a 2nd redshirt year. But unless we see a different Darnold next week, I'd rather spend that 41M on both of our lines.


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:51:02 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.


Personally, CHOKED encapsulates playing poorly and scared.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:55:04 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:55:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		My criteria for Darnold changed from having to lead the team to playoff wins into don't be the reason for a loss.

He failed, and pissed away a bye and HFA. But he can rebound against the mediocre Rams then retake the test.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:56:37 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.


Personally, CHOKED encapsulates playing poorly and scared.



I think we can refer to this one as The Choke.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:59:26 PM   
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The really long sack sort of highlights it all.


That could be the teaser for the headline "Darnold averages incredibly bad 4.0 ypa on way to laughable 55 QB rating"
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 1:59:47 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.


Personally, CHOKED encapsulates playing poorly and scared.



I think we can refer to this one as The Choke.


Nice.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 2:06:08 PM   
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My criteria for Darnold changed from having to lead the team to playoff wins into don't be the reason for a loss.

He failed, and pissed away a bye and HFA. But he can rebound against the mediocre Rams then retake the test.


Rams and Lions. The only 2 teams to hang 30 on us (all 3 games) and the only teams to beat us (all 3 games).

Rams offense, in particular, feels built to take advantage of Flores' defense.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 2:07:40 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.


This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 2:10:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess we all see/saw the same things but are expressing "why" differently. I agree but that's why I was so frustrated with KOC as the playcaller. It wasn't working. Darnold was struggling badly. Don't keep calling deep developing plays if he can't take advantage. He wasn't going to magically snap out of it yesterday.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 2:19:40 PM   
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We saw the "fatal flaw" in Sam last night.

He has the physical tools. Arm strength, athleticism, touch, toughness. But he takes way too long to process what he sees. It shows up in his sack numbers and the amount of hits he takes. And why he so often tries the hard throw because he doesn't see the easier one (like that 3 week stretch where he never looked at Addison).

He's very slow through his progressions.

Again, KOC did him no favors last night, but Sam was reason #1 we lost.

That is nonsense. Your fatal flaw is knowing very little about the game.

The guy won 14 games playing the exact same way. If your routes are deep, it takes more time to process. If there is nobody open, it takes even longer. Eventually you get hit.

That is a reductive and simplistic opinion. He holds the ball longer because that is what the plays call for. The opposite would be checking down and continuously coming up short of the sticks. We just got rid of a quarterback like that. The best case-scenario would be to run an offense that exploits the defensive scheme, continuously making adjustments as the game progresses.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/6/2025 2:24:15 PM   
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Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943


Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.


This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

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