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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

We saw the "fatal flaw" in Sam last night.

He has the physical tools. Arm strength, athleticism, touch, toughness. But he takes way too long to process what he sees. It shows up in his sack numbers and the amount of hits he takes. And why he so often tries the hard throw because he doesn't see the easier one (like that 3 week stretch where he never looked at Addison).

He's very slow through his progressions.

Again, KOC did him no favors last night, but Sam was reason #1 we lost.

That is nonsense. Your fatal flaw is knowing very little about the game.

The guy won 14 games playing the exact same way. If your routes are deep, it takes more time to process. If there is nobody open, it takes even longer. Eventually you get hit.

That is a reductive and simplistic opinion.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

If we score a couple early TDs and grab a decent lead, the whole complexion of the game changes.

Detroit can't wear us down with the run and they have to start passing. And Goff was not great yesterday. Other than the wounded duck to Smith, did he even try any deep passes?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

We saw the "fatal flaw" in Sam last night.

He has the physical tools. Arm strength, athleticism, touch, toughness. But he takes way too long to process what he sees. It shows up in his sack numbers and the amount of hits he takes. And why he so often tries the hard throw because he doesn't see the easier one (like that 3 week stretch where he never looked at Addison).

He's very slow through his progressions.

Again, KOC did him no favors last night, but Sam was reason #1 we lost.

That is nonsense. Your fatal flaw is knowing very little about the game.

The guy won 14 games playing the exact same way. If your routes are deep, it takes more time to process. If there is nobody open, it takes even longer. Eventually you get hit.

That is a reductive and simplistic opinion.

I get it.

You've been all-in on Sam and dismissive of anyone that didn't see it your way.

Your fatal flaw is hubris.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

We saw the "fatal flaw" in Sam last night.

He has the physical tools. Arm strength, athleticism, touch, toughness. But he takes way too long to process what he sees. It shows up in his sack numbers and the amount of hits he takes. And why he so often tries the hard throw because he doesn't see the easier one (like that 3 week stretch where he never looked at Addison).

He's very slow through his progressions.

Again, KOC did him no favors last night, but Sam was reason #1 we lost.

That is nonsense. Your fatal flaw is knowing very little about the game.

The guy won 14 games playing the exact same way. If your routes are deep, it takes more time to process. If there is nobody open, it takes even longer. Eventually you get hit.

That is a reductive and simplistic opinion.

I get it.

You've been all-in on Sam and dismissive of anyone that didn't see it your way.

Your fatal flaw is hubris.

I'm not all-in on anything. Again, very reductive. I've said all day it wasn't his best game by any means.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

We saw the "fatal flaw" in Sam last night.

He has the physical tools. Arm strength, athleticism, touch, toughness. But he takes way too long to process what he sees. It shows up in his sack numbers and the amount of hits he takes. And why he so often tries the hard throw because he doesn't see the easier one (like that 3 week stretch where he never looked at Addison).

He's very slow through his progressions.

Again, KOC did him no favors last night, but Sam was reason #1 we lost.

That is nonsense. Your fatal flaw is knowing very little about the game.

The guy won 14 games playing the exact same way. If your routes are deep, it takes more time to process. If there is nobody open, it takes even longer. Eventually you get hit.

That is a reductive and simplistic opinion.

I get it.

You've been all-in on Sam and dismissive of anyone that didn't see it your way.

Your fatal flaw is hubris.

I'm not all-in on anything. Again, very reductive. I've said all day it wasn't his best game by any means.

Of course you are. You've treated anyone here that didn't want to sign Sam to a multiyear deal as a fool that knows nothing.

Sam was the main reason we lost. 5 missed easy TDs. Not a single one of which was a deep route or had nobody open. The "phantom" rushers affected him more than the real ones.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

While I don't think Sam played well I can also say, without question, that if this is the best we're going to get from KOC in a big game might as well start the search for a new coach.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

While I don't think Sam played well I can also say, without question, that if this is the best we're going to get from KOC in a big game might as well start the search for a new coach.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

5 missed easy TD's? What game were you watching? I understand being frustrated after a loss, but that's just making s&it up.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

While I don't think Sam played well I can also say, without question, that if this is the best we're going to get from KOC in a big game might as well start the search for a new coach.

This was not the best we are going to get from KOC.

I remember a game, down at the half by what? 33 points? Now that was a team now willing to give up. This team doesn't just give up. KOC has his warts. Still sucks at time management for example. But these guys love playing for him. They never give up.

This is best coash we've had since Grant. That includes both Burnsie and Green.

They had a bad game against a very well run team.

And not even the best coaches win every game.

Not giving up on KOC. Not yet.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

GREAT post Brad !!!

THIS:

....Playoff football is not a beauty contest. If running the ball can get you across the finish line, do it. We'd see Bill Belichick do it all the time, despite having Tom Brady. ....

KOC doesn't move to the short passing game when needed.....another thing that Tom Brady did also. Go 5 wide and get rid of the ball.
Against a team that loves to blitz we gave up on the run and went with Medium to deep passing routes most of the game.....we can blame the IOL but the scheme wasn't there either.

A good offensive game plan would have killed that Detroit defense last night.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Ja'Marr Chase in a must win game two days ago: 10 catches, 96 yards, 1 TD.

Big Game Jettas in a critically important game yesterday: 3 catches, 54 yards, 0 TD. Blanketed by some guy named Amik Robertson operating on a 2-yr, $9.25M contract.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Aaron Glenn's defense generated 22 pressures, and Darnold went just 3-of-13 passing on those plays.

That's a good amount of pressure. Sam threw the ball 41 times and was sacked twice. He left a ton of plays on the field - even when he wasn't pressured.

I like KOC as a coach, but he shouldn't be calling the plays. I don't think any HC should call plays on either side of the ball. It takes them away from the bigger picture.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Sam missed 5 TD throws:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Kind of shifts the majority of the blame on him. He played poorly and scared and is the reason we lost this game.

This.
I don't know that KOC can force Sam to make the right reads.
I don't know that JJ can throw himself the ball.

Offense as a whole @#%$ the bed.... but Sam was historically bad.

I'm shocked at how bad he played.

Historically bad is when you throw 4-5 interceptions. He made 2-3 errant throws he wishes he could have back. No turnovers. One of the sacks should have had a facemask call, but the refs missed it.

Was it a good game? No. But if your coach doesn't make in-game adjustments to something that isn't working, nobody should be surprised when things don't work.

Tip your cap to Aaron Glenn. He defended our offense well and took advantage of our arrogant and complacent offensive coordinator. A quarterback can only overcome so much incompetence on the offensive line.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

5 missed easy TD's? What game were you watching? I understand being frustrated after a loss, but that's just making s&it up.

Watch it yourself:

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Aaron Glenn's defense generated 22 pressures, and Darnold went just 3-of-13 passing on those plays.

That's a good amount of pressure. Sam threw the ball 41 times and was sacked twice. He left a ton of plays on the field - even when he wasn't pressured.

I like KOC as a coach, but he shouldn't be calling the plays. I don't think any HC should call plays on either side of the ball. It takes them away from the bigger picture.

I fully agree with everything especially the last paragraph. He's way too distracted and needs to hand off playcalling duties

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Aaron Glenn's defense generated 22 pressures, and Darnold went just 3-of-13 passing on those plays.

That's a good amount of pressure. Sam threw the ball 41 times and was sacked twice. He left a ton of plays on the field - even when he wasn't pressured.

I like KOC as a coach, but he shouldn't be calling the plays. I don't think any HC should call plays on either side of the ball. It takes them away from the bigger picture.

I fully agree with everything especially the last paragraph. He's way too distracted and needs to hand off playcalling duties

That is something you change when on a big losing streak or at the beginning of the season.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
You have to give credit to Detroit’s coaching and their job coaching guys up and putting them in a position to win. Kevin didn’t do that.
2 late season examples are Cousins throwing short of the sticks and now Sam ‘Wheat” Darnold.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Flores to HC
Kevin to QB coach