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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Earlier I asked all of you to predict how many games they think McCarthy would have won as a starter this season, and the rationale behind the prediction. I got zero answers, which is telling.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Earlier I asked all of you to predict how many games they think McCarthy would have won as a starter this season, and the rationale behind the prediction. I got zero answers, which is telling.

Hard question to answer. Speculation. Don't underestimate the schedule this year though. NFC South was putrid, even Hou turned out to be not very good. Did not play TB, Philly, Was.

Eked by GB twice, lost to the Lions once relatively bad, and the Rams game was never that close.

Thought the Niners was a good win. But ever since Bosa wore his MAGA hat on National TV, the team quit.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Earlier I asked all of you to predict how many games they think McCarthy would have won as a starter this season, and the rationale behind the prediction. I got zero answers, which is telling.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The point on SF is that we beat them at their absolute best this year.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The point on SF is that we beat them at their absolute best this year.

But outside of Detroit (and maybe at that point SF) we played no other top 4 team. We had an easy schedule due to our record the previous year and division the NFCN had.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The point on SF is that we beat them at their absolute best this year.

But outside of Detroit (and maybe at that point SF) we played no other top 4 team. We had an easy schedule due to our record the previous year and division the NFCN had.

I don't know man. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was easy. I know almost every fan I know was scared shitless we would start off about 1-6 or 2-5. It was a real possibility going in to the season.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I am continuously amazed at the amnesia in this forum. A year ago most people couldn't wait to get rid of Kirk Cousins. They called him check-down Charlie, a choker, a cancer, you name it.

The next season cranks up and Vegas predicts the Vikings will win 6.5 games. Minnesota heads into the season with Darnold as the QB and most in here were thinking nine wins would be a spectacular finish.

Darnold proceeds to go out and win 14 games with the #6 passer rating. He does it with absolute class. He presses the ball downfield. He does it while getting paid one of the lowest salaries in the league for a starter. Suddenly he loses to the top seed in the NFC after an off night and people think he has to go out and prove himself in order to be back next season? Somehow, 14 wins wasn't enough?

You people are freaking amazing!

I understand wanting to win. I understand the disappointment of a big loss. What I don't understand is your expectations.

Serious questions. How many games would we have won with JJ McCarthy as our quarterback this season? And what body of work does he have to substantiate your point?

Maybe I'm missing something. I'm all ears.

The NFL is a business. If this were baseball, we could have Darnold, Jones and JJ all next year, duking it out.

The NFL has a salary cap, and it's not about what you've done, but what you will do in the future. Sam silenced a lot of doubters with his regular season play. He showed he has the physical ability.

Playoffs and must win games are a whole nother story, if you show you are a choke in these games, you greatly diminish future expectations and your worth to a team.

The great thing, he has a chance to turn around one the worst passing performance I've ever witnessed at the professional level last Sunday night, next Monday.

The team has Blackmon coming back at CB next year, but nothing else really, the D line is mostly NFL 1st round busts and college FAs, the IOL has been bad to mediocre for a while. We have viable optoins at QB next year. We do not in those areas.
We also have very few draft picks in 2025. Need money for FAs.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

1) Franchise tag Darnold
2) Send a Brinks Truck to Brian Flores' house
3) Get three new offensive linemen (don't care how)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I am continuously amazed at the amnesia in this forum. A year ago most people couldn't wait to get rid of Kirk Cousins. They called him check-down Charlie, a choker, a cancer, you name it.

The next season cranks up and Vegas predicts the Vikings will win 6.5 games. Minnesota heads into the season with Darnold as the QB and most in here were thinking nine wins would be a spectacular finish.

Darnold proceeds to go out and win 14 games with the #6 passer rating. He does it with absolute class. He presses the ball downfield. He does it while getting paid one of the lowest salaries in the league for a starter. Suddenly he loses to the top seed in the NFC after an off night and people think he has to go out and prove himself in order to be back next season? Somehow, 14 wins wasn't enough?

You people are freaking amazing!

I understand wanting to win. I understand the disappointment of a big loss. What I don't understand is your expectations.

Serious questions. How many games would we have won with JJ McCarthy as our quarterback this season? And what body of work does he have to substantiate your point?

Maybe I'm missing something. I'm all ears.

The NFL is a business. If this were baseball, we could have Darnold, Jones and JJ all next year, duking it out.

The NFL has a salary cap, and it's not about what you've done, but what you will do in the future. Sam silenced a lot of doubters with his regular season play. He showed he has the physical ability.

Playoffs and must win games are a whole nother story, if you show you are a choke in these games, you greatly diminish future expectations and your worth to a team.

The great thing, he has a chance to turn around one the worst passing performance I've ever witnessed at the professional level last Sunday night, next Monday.

The team has Blackmon coming back at CB next year, but nothing else really, the D line is mostly NFL 1st round busts and college FAs, the IOL has been bad to mediocre for a while. We have viable optoins at QB next year. We do not in those areas.
We also have very few draft picks in 2025. Need money for FAs.

This.

SD had wide open guys on nearly every route in the first half, including short routes vs the blitz. He either didn't see them, was timid and didn't pull the trigger, or airmailed it. This illustrates it:
https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Read the first post here: https://purplepainforums.com/thread/8311/darnolds-terrible-day?page=1 Notice how many clean pockets and room to step up and throw SD has.

If S.D. makes the throws that an average QB makes early in the game, we are up by 17 at halftime. Detroit can't keep blitzing on defense and their offense becomes more one dimensional. I don't blame the oline nor KOC. 100% on S.D.

Having said that, I need to see how he does in LA before writing him off.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Sam Darnold is and was brought in as insurance, in case JJM was not ready for prime time..

Injury made that a moot point.

Darnold got the starting job, simply because Mullet has proven to be a loser, and it turns out Darnold can’t be a prime time player, either.

But Brad, after saying he might be good in January, “ if he can get wins with all the talent” ( after advocating dumping Jeffersonfor some draft picks..)

Now had a boner for a guy who has won zero playoff caliber games, choked on the national stage with the division and HFA, and #1 seed on the line..

At least, he is sticking to his unproven hatred of JJM.. “ he has never thrown a pass in an NFL game.. neither had Bo Nix,.. until he did..

What a lame argument..

The only intelligent thing out of him in the draft thread for 2024, was his call for spending capital on an OL upgrade..

It's all about results. 14 wins with THIS team. I like that production. I'll take that every season and live a very comfortable life as a fan. You can't win the big one if you aren't in a position to win the big one. He was an eyelash from the top seed in the NFC.

It doesn't matter how he got the job. What matters is what he did after he got the job. The guy has been classy and effective throughout.

And he has exactly as many playoff wins as KFC, or JJM..

And he choked..

Get over it.. he is gone, unless he gets past Detroit, and getting past the Rams, has proven to be a bridge too far.. as of today..

You think this team could beat Philly?

They need to win 2 in a row.. and after the last 4 games, KOC and SD both, are in over their heads..

Jesus Christ, give the guy a chance. Your other two options are guys that have done absolutely nothing, and you can't wait to give them a chance.

No, I don't think this team can beat Philly. But it has nothing to do with Darnold. It has to do with Philly being a complete team with one of the best offensive lines in football and a very good defense. The Vikings have a terrible offensive line and have worked smoke and mirrors on defense.

I said two weeks ago that the undoing of the Vikings was going to be the offensive line. That should come as no surprise to any of you. Last week we saw why. They are a complete mess.

There's one other team in the league with a terrible offensive line....the Kansas City Chiefs. But they don't run guys 30 yards downfield on routes. The coach needs to recognize our weaknesses and quit pretending they don't exist. There's no more Chicago, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Jets or Jacksonville on the schedule.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

SD had wide open guys on nearly every route in the first half, including short routes vs the blitz. He either didn't see them, was timid and didn't pull the trigger, or airmailed it. This illustrates it:
https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Read the first post here: https://purplepainforums.com/thread/8311/darnolds-terrible-day?page=1 Notice how many clean pockets and room to step up and throw SD has.

If S.D. makes the throws that an average QB makes early in the game, we are up by 17 at halftime. Detroit can't keep blitzing on defense and their offense becomes more one dimensional. I don't blame the oline nor KOC. 100% on S.D.

Having said that, I need to see how he does in LA before writing him off.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Sam Darnold is and was brought in as insurance, in case JJM was not ready for prime time..

Injury made that a moot point.

Darnold got the starting job, simply because Mullet has proven to be a loser, and it turns out Darnold can’t be a prime time player, either.

But Brad, after saying he might be good in January, “ if he can get wins with all the talent” ( after advocating dumping Jeffersonfor some draft picks..)

Now had a boner for a guy who has won zero playoff caliber games, choked on the national stage with the division and HFA, and #1 seed on the line..

At least, he is sticking to his unproven hatred of JJM.. “ he has never thrown a pass in an NFL game.. neither had Bo Nix,.. until he did..

What a lame argument..

The only intelligent thing out of him in the draft thread for 2024, was his call for spending capital on an OL upgrade..

It's all about results. 14 wins with THIS team. I like that production. I'll take that every season and live a very comfortable life as a fan. You can't win the big one if you aren't in a position to win the big one. He was an eyelash from the top seed in the NFC.

It doesn't matter how he got the job. What matters is what he did after he got the job. The guy has been classy and effective throughout.

And he has exactly as many playoff wins as KFC, or JJM..

And he choked..

Get over it.. he is gone, unless he gets past Detroit, and getting past the Rams, has proven to be a bridge too far.. as of today..

You think this team could beat Philly?

They need to win 2 in a row.. and after the last 4 games, KOC and SD both, are in over their heads..

Jesus Christ, give the guy a chance. Your other two options are guys that have done absolutely nothing, and you can't wait to give them a chance.

No, I don't think this team can beat Philly. But it has nothing to do with Darnold. It has to do with Philly being a complete team with one of the best offensive lines in football and a very good defense. The Vikings have a terrible offensive line and have worked smoke and mirrors on defense.

I said two weeks ago that the undoing of the Vikings was going to be the offensive line. That should come as no surprise to any of you. Last week we saw why. They are a complete mess.

There's one other team in the league with a terrible offensive line....the Kansas City Chiefs. But they don't run guys 30 yards downfield on routes. The coach needs to recognize our weaknesses and quit pretending they don't exist. There's no more Chicago, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Jets or Jacksonville on the schedule.

So you are harping about giving a guy a chance... literally. As long as that chance doesn't go to JJM.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Pager

SD had wide open guys on nearly every route in the first half, including short routes vs the blitz. He either didn't see them, was timid and didn't pull the trigger, or airmailed it. This illustrates it:
https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1876292258796101943

Read the first post here: https://purplepainforums.com/thread/8311/darnolds-terrible-day?page=1 Notice how many clean pockets and room to step up and throw SD has.

If S.D. makes the throws that an average QB makes early in the game, we are up by 17 at halftime. Detroit can't keep blitzing on defense and their offense becomes more one dimensional. I don't blame the oline nor KOC. 100% on S.D.

Having said that, I need to see how he does in LA before writing him off.

Doesn't matter. He won't look it. Its everyone's fault but Darnold.

That purplepainforums thread is incredibly damning.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I am continuously amazed at the amnesia in this forum. A year ago most people couldn't wait to get rid of Kirk Cousins. They called him check-down Charlie, a choker, a cancer, you name it.

The next season cranks up and Vegas predicts the Vikings will win 6.5 games. Minnesota heads into the season with Darnold as the QB and most in here were thinking nine wins would be a spectacular finish.

Darnold proceeds to go out and win 14 games with the #6 passer rating. He does it with absolute class. He presses the ball downfield. He does it while getting paid one of the lowest salaries in the league for a starter. Suddenly he loses to the top seed in the NFC after an off night and people think he has to go out and prove himself in order to be back next season? Somehow, 14 wins wasn't enough?

You people are freaking amazing!

I understand wanting to win. I understand the disappointment of a big loss. What I don't understand is your expectations.

Serious questions. How many games would we have won with JJ McCarthy as our quarterback this season? And what body of work does he have to substantiate your point?

Maybe I'm missing something. I'm all ears.

The NFL is a business. If this were baseball, we could have Darnold, Jones and JJ all next year, duking it out.

The NFL has a salary cap, and it's not about what you've done, but what you will do in the future. Sam silenced a lot of doubters with his regular season play. He showed he has the physical ability.

Playoffs and must win games are a whole nother story, if you show you are a choke in these games, you greatly diminish future expectations and your worth to a team.

The great thing, he has a chance to turn around one the worst passing performance I've ever witnessed at the professional level last Sunday night, next Monday.

The team has Blackmon coming back at CB next year, but nothing else really, the D line is mostly NFL 1st round busts and college FAs, the IOL has been bad to mediocre for a while. We have viable optoins at QB next year. We do not in those areas.
We also have very few draft picks in 2025. Need money for FAs.

One of the worst passing performances? He threw zero picks and never turned the ball over. Was it great? No. But really, one of the worst? I could comfortably come up with 5,000 worse performances in NFL history, guaranteed!

Your salary cap argument has some merit. Stick with that one. That's why the franchise tag is perfect. It's a one-year investment.

Zero picks because most of his passes were caught by the hot dog vendor. I was seriously having visions of Josh Freeman.

That being said, Hockensen didn't help him out, there were a couple not perfect, he could have hauled in.

I've never understood the Hockensen love. I still think it was a mistake to trade for him and give him top $ He's way too expensive for the value he brings IMO. All these teams getting young, cheap TEs that are just as good if not better, College is full of them these days.

I’m not a Hockenson guy. He’s had a few good plays. Not worth the money or the picks it cost us.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Most every poster but one understands Darnold was terrible, an absolute joke in that big game. And the single poster has fabricated a litany of excuses for said joke... err choke.

Darnold's new redemption tour starts Monday night. Average play against the crappy pass D won't move the needle much. Spectacular play helps his case.

Barring a great run of QB play, just try to get something for him w/o impacting free agency.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The point on SF is that we beat them at their absolute best this year.

But outside of Detroit (and maybe at that point SF) we played no other top 4 team. We had an easy schedule due to our record the previous year and division the NFCN had.

I don't know man. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was easy. I know almost every fan I know was scared shitless we would start off about 1-6 or 2-5. It was a real possibility going in to the season.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

The point on SF is that we beat them at their absolute best this year.

But outside of Detroit (and maybe at that point SF) we played no other top 4 team. We had an easy schedule due to our record the previous year and division the NFCN had.

I don't know man. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was easy. I know almost every fan I know was scared shitless we would start off about 1-6 or 2-5. It was a real possibility going in to the season.

Precisely. Most of these people have amnesia. They were predicting high draft picks for next season.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Oh … And just to be clear …

waiting for one good pass on Mon to coronate Sam’s ass … NO.

Sam has to have a great game against the Rams just to START rebuilding his own dike.

Anything less than very good with a win doesnt do it … it has to be at least as good as the Lions game was bad … just to get to 1-1 square one in critical games. And 1-1 buys you nothing in this world, certainly not 40M of my play money.

Its not until our SECOND playoff game, if there is one, that Sam starts to move his needle with this team. If our regime has any balls at all.

Sorry. Not my rules, take it or leave it … just the cold ruthless law of nature, whether you’re a qb, lion, wildebeest or samurai otter.