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A mediocre performance against the Rams, and I think Sam is gone, not even a franchise tag.

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Oh … And just to be clear …

waiting for one good pass on Mon to coronate Sam’s ass … NO.

Sam has to have a great game against the Rams just to START rebuilding his own dike.

Anything less than very good with a win doesnt do it … it has to be at least as good as the Lions game was bad … just to get to 1-1 square one in critical games. And 1-1 buys you nothing in this world, certainly not 40M of my play money.

Its not until our SECOND playoff game, if there is one, that Sam starts to move his needle with this team. If our regime has any balls at all.

Sorry. Not my rules, take it or leave it … just the cold ruthless law of nature, whether you’re a qb, lion, wildebeest or samurai otter.

Man, the expectations have really gone up in this place.

Again, Cousins took his team to 13-4 and you couldn't stand him. And that team was much worse than this year's ...

Hang out until Mon, you may or not get some help with your double-standard from Sam.

Monday makes no difference to me. At 14-3 with the #6 passer rating, he has done enough to convince me he can lead this team a long ways. If he had the offensive line that Jared Goff or Jalen Hurts had, there is no telling what the Vikings' record would have been.

You guys do realize, without Darrisaw, he has one of the worst offensive lines in football, right?

This isn't about Darnold or Cousins. It's about Darnold or McCarthy.

How are you going to get a great offensive line when you're paying SD 40+? How are you going to build up the defense and get CBs like Reed?

This isn't about Darnold or McCarthy. It's about Darnold or McCarthy/Jones + team building.

Pretty nice deflection on Cousins. Had me laughing, they nailed you on it.

Cousins was not a leader. I would have sent him packing the day he refused to get vaccinated. It's not all about numbers. He had zero leadership qualities. He's also nine years older than Darnold, and it was really starting to show (look at his production this season).

So no, they didn't nail me (as you say). I only refused to answer such a dumb question.

Why? Because we are talking about our options moving forward, not about comparing our current quarterback to our old quarterback. For that matter, we could compare Darnold to Fran Tarkenton if you want.

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A mediocre performance against the Rams, and I think Sam is gone, not even a franchise tag.

The only think left would be a tag and trade done on the sly. Since his agent can't negotiate with other teams, it would be breaking rules and it would be risky. I don't think Kwesi wants to go down that road.

And not every team that needs a QB will be able to fork over cap for even a decent QB deal.

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KOC might be planning that, but doesn't that tell your starting QB you don't have confidence in him, in the red zone ?

If we had an interior offensive line that could actually move the defensive line it would all be a moot point. Philadelphia and Detroit don't have to worry about drawing up crafty pass plays. They just run it down your throat. The same could be said for Buffalo, Baltimore, you name it.

Our offensive line is a joke, people.

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My apologies to the board for my part in resurrecting Cousins as a flyswatter.

I’m done with it for now.

No apologies necessary. I brought him up last week when such a double standard was being applied. With Sam's predecessor all we heard was that he pads his stats, screw qb rating because the only stat that matters is the last two minutes, he holds the ball too long, he can't win big games.

It's like you said; if everything about that game was the same, except the name of the QB was Kirk Cousins, the same guy defending Sam would be at the front of the angry mob with torches and pitchforks.

With that, I apologize for continuing the KC comparison.

Actually, that's not fair. Cousins had a body of work showing his failures during crunch time with the Vikings. Darnold had 3-4 bad passes on Sunday night, and outside of that has been spectacular all season. If we got rid of every guy that had one off night, there wouldn't be anyone left on the roster. Reichard would have been gone eight weeks ago and our interior o-line would all be free agents.

So no, it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.

And on that note, why is it that I have to prove my point? Why don't you guys try proving yours at some point?

What makes you think McCarthy is a better option than Darnold next season? That's the question at hand. Yet still, nothing but crickets. One person said because he won a college championship. That was the only rationale, as bad as it could be. Another brought up salary, which has a little merit should the Vikes sign him or franchise tag him.

I haven't seen one person break down the X's and O's on what McCarthy offers, and it's pretty obvious why.

Only "3-4 bad passes" lol. Not to mention what you have repeated the past few days... only 1-2 passes "he'd like to have back".

WW

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A mediocre performance against the Rams, and I think Sam is gone, not even a franchise tag.

The only think left would be a tag and trade done on the sly. Since his agent can't negotiate with other teams, it would be breaking rules and it would be risky. I don't think Kwesi wants to go down that road.

And not every team that needs a QB will be able to fork over cap for even a decent QB deal.

You can do a non-exclusive tag. SD could negotiate with teams. And the trade comp doesn't have to be two firsts. Davonte Adams was hit with this tag then traded to the Raiders for a 1st and a 2nd. It also wouldn't have any cap ramifications, I believe.

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ORIGINAL: marty

A mediocre performance against the Rams, and I think Sam is gone, not even a franchise tag.

The only think left would be a tag and trade done on the sly. Since his agent can't negotiate with other teams, it would be breaking rules and it would be risky. I don't think Kwesi wants to go down that road.

And not every team that needs a QB will be able to fork over cap for even a decent QB deal.

You can do a non-exclusive tag. SD could negotiate with teams. And the trade comp doesn't have to be two firsts. Davonte Adams was hit with this tag then traded to the Raiders for a 1st and a 2nd. It also wouldn't have any cap ramifications, I believe.

As long as you can work out a trade by the start of free agency.

Is a 2nd or 3rd round pick worth missing out on a couple of top free agents?

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KOC did a great job all year. Took the stacked wins and propped Sam up. All season long. Culminating in the Packers win. Everybody was propping him up.

If he throws 4 TD’s in the RZ against Detroit everyone’s still propping him up. And not adding a footnote that KOC called a bad game btw. All Sam. Sam was given everything and he said no thanks. I’m just a big weeny with really thick yellow toenails everyone is grossed out by. I’m not the guy. Moments too big.

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You think I’m wrong about the toenails?

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And forget about him on the goal line with a sneak. We continue to deploy Brandon Powell as the 'pusher'

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We can criticize KOC for not having more quick hitters against Detroit, but if KOC wanted to attack a 2ndary that had injuries, it was a good idea to attack them with the plays they tried, just need the QB to execute those plays early in the game.

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We can criticize KOC for not having more quick hitters against Detroit, but if KOC wanted to attack a 2ndary that had injuries, it was a good idea to attack them with the plays they tried, just need the QB to execute those plays early in the game.

And the quick hitters were there. Sam just either didn't see them or refused to throw them.

Sam was a breath of fresh air after Kirk with the way that he attacked down the field. But there probably should be a little more balance. Sometimes its OK to take the shorter throw (unless its going to end up short of the sticks on 3rd or 4th down...)